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Nibali at the same level as Froome/Contador?

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arvc40

Jul 1, 2013
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Cookster15 said:
In which GT did that happen since the 2011 Giro? Nibali is stronger and better since then. Contador is not as good as then. 3 years is a long time.
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I will explain my logic for you. He's just better.
 
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thehook

Mar 9, 2013
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Nibs can only beat who are present at the race. So Chapaeu to him. He cannot control anyone else's bike just his. If/when he wins this tour he's just as deserving as any other winner in history. Only he can know what the outcome would have been in his heart/mind.

Next year god willing they are all healthy. And we have one heck of a Tour.
 
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arvc40

Jul 1, 2013
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thehook said:
Nibs can only beat who are present at the race. So Chapaeu to him. He cannot control anyone else's bike just his. If/when he wins this tour he just as deserving as any other winner in history. Only he can know what the outcome would have been in his heart/mind.

Next year god willing they are all healthy. And we have one heck of a Tour.
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Exactly............
 
Cookster15

Cookster15

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May 14, 2011
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Jspear said:
In what GT have they competed in against each other lately (besides this Tour)? Can we even compare them against each other if we are only talking about GT's? Don't think so. Have you been watching the whole racing season this year? AC is as good as he was in 2011.
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Yes I have followed although I concede maybe not a close as you? But in 2011 I remember well AC demoralized the field on the slopes of Etna and they all knew they were racing for 2nd place from that stage onwards (did you follow then?).

My original reply was to the comment that Contador puts Nibali in Red everyday. It is not everyday - it has only been in 2011 Giro.

From my following this season yes AC is the best he has been since 2011 (particularly post ban) - but from what I have read he is still not as good as 2011 Giro where he was on a different level again. Nibali however looks like he is a good as 2013 Giro and far above his 2011 Giro level.
 
Jspear

Jspear

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Cookster15 said:
Yes I have followed although I concede maybe not a close as you? But in 2011 I remember well AC demoralized the field on the slopes of Etna and they all knew they were racing for 2nd place from that stage onwards (did you follow then?).

My original reply was to the comment that Contador puts Nibali in Red everyday. It is not everyday - it has only been in 2011 Giro.

From my following this season yes AC is the best he has been since 2011 (particularly post ban) - but from what I have read he is still not as good as 2011 Giro where he was on a different level again. Nibali however looks like he is a good as 2013 Giro and far above his 2011 Giro level.
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I agree it's not everyday. The fact is they haven't competed in GT's since then. Thus if we are going to compare them it has to be based on races other than GT's.
But I still think AC is as good as he was in 2011. :)
 
ILovecycling

ILovecycling

Aug 4, 2010
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Jspear said:
I agree it's not everyday. The fact is they haven't competed in GT's since then. Thus if we are going to compare them it has to be based on races other than GT's.
But I still think AC is as good as he was in 2011. :)
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According to results,Better.
 
BlurryVII

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Cookster15 said:
In which GT did that happen since the 2011 Giro? Nibali is stronger and better since then. Contador is not as good as then. 3 years is a long time.
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That 2013 season is really in everyone's mind :eek:

Let's see: Alberto was much better than Nibali from 2007 Until 2011 onwards.
He was better than Nibali in 2012 as well, Contador being much stronger in Vuelta 12' than Nibs in the Tour 2012 beaten by Wiggins in the Mountains.
Vuelta 12' was also the best GT that year in W/kg. I also remember how he left him behind at Milano - Torino :eek:

And this year Contador is also much stronger than Nibz.
2013 is the only year Nibali was better, then again AC was having an Off season.
 
ILovecycling

ILovecycling

Aug 4, 2010
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Jspear said:
I agree with you. :) Just when I'm talking to doubters I try not to hype to much or they just ignore you and label you as some crazy fanboy/girl. :)
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I dont really care if its not a reasonable comment;)
 
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number0

May 16, 2013
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in this Tour with this route, with this weather, Nibali is at the same level as Froome/Contador..he needs a nervous race, difficoult weather, hard descent, few km ITT.the tour 2014.
 
Afrank

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Aug 16, 2011
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You know, people always have doubted Nibali. Talked about how he can't do this, can't do that, isn't better then whatever rider. And yet, he has proven people wrong time and time again and steadily improved almost every year. He already surprised people yet again this Tour with his ride on the cobbles, he benefited from the other 2 crashing out. But if they hadn't, I wouldn't be surprised if Nibali surprised us some more in the mountains.

He's not quite at the level of the others in some aspects, each have there thing their better then the other ones at. Contador probably the best climber, Froome the best TTer, etc. Nibali I think bridges the gap to them in these aspects by being the most complete. He can pretty much do it all.

Who is better then who various according to the year, time of the year, race, plus the many other factors that affect a races outcome. For example Nibali was better the Froome at TA last year as he was coming into form for the Giro.

I'd let there be one top level, where the top GT riders all are at. Contador, Froome, Nibali, and Quintana being those 4 top GT riders. They are the 1st tier of GT riders.
 
Sciocco

Sciocco

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Who cares about this trio?

They wish to be on the level of:
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maxmartin

maxmartin

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SafeBet said:
This poll lacks an option.
The "I don't know" option.
Which is what pretty much everyone should vote if they were honest.
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not some "would" "could" die hard fans
 
Alpe d'Huez

Alpe d'Huez

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Agree with the OP, think he would have been up with them by Paris. Maybe not the same horsepower as Froome or Contador, but he was the most prepared it seemed to me entering the race. He was best over the cobbles, and has repeatedly attacked at the right time, and showed that before they dropped out.
 
maxmartin

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Agree with the OP, think he would have been up with them by Paris. Maybe not the same horsepower as Froome or Contador, but he was the most prepared it seemed to me entering the race. He was best over the cobbles, and has repeatedly attacked at the right time, and showed that before they dropped out.
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absolutely , even himself was surprised to get such big gap on the cobbles.
 
Jelantik

Jelantik

Jul 19, 2010
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Even though I vote no, to be fair, the answer should be none of the above. Because none of them facing each other at their pinnacle of their form at their TDF. Only the road can actually judge them, not past results or the current TDF. Froome and Contador crashed out. Nibali is the only one in the tour now. So far he is a mile above the rest of the contenders. Like it or not, he is the strongest on the tour without Froome or Contador for comparison.
 
maxmartin

maxmartin

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Jelantik said:
Even though I vote no, to be fair, the answer should be none of the above. Because none of them facing each other at their pinnacle of their form at their TDF. Only the road can actually judge them, not past results or the current TDF. Froome and Contador crashed out. Nibali is the only one in the tour now. So far he is a mile above the rest of the contenders. Like it or not, he is the strongest on the tour without Froome or Contador for comparison.
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thank you. I am very glad to hear you say that.:D
 
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