ILovecycling said:No,we dont.Better for 2015
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Sure, if nothing unexpected happens we'll have a more fact based chat next year.
Peace, brother.
ILovecycling said:No,we dont.Better for 2015
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Yeah,I meant full gas.Its true on longer climbs its not common to go full gas,which is pity for this statistic of course.Netserk said:I'd say the opposite. It's nonsense on long climbs where tactics a more important, whereas (semi-)shorter climbs most of the time are full gas.
Taxus4a said:I think this Nibali or the Nibali of last year Giro is at a similar level than Froome or Contador, with bad weather or tecnical race even better.
I wouldnt have thought that of Nibali two years ago.
Froome could beat him some days, in ITT or even in a climb, but not a big difference. Contador could put some time as well in an step climb, but just a little.
It would have been a nice race with all of them.
Have sense if the condictions (weather, way to face the climb, part of the Tour, stage, wind,...) are the same...but with so hard stage this year in the Vosques is difficult to measure.ILovecycling said:IMO its nonsense to measure it in this short climb.Even Verbier is pretty short.
LaFlorecita said:Taxus picks the side against Contador, what a surprise![]()
Taxus4a said:Some people have told me several times I minusvalorated Nibali, despite I was in the final party of the Vuelta 2010 dancing and singing with him and he looked a nice boy, I always thought he was brave, technical, regular along the year, he was completed, but he wont be never at the level to the best riders for GC despite his podiums and Vuelta... but now the fact is that he is at a similar level that these two riders.
Nibali was weaker in Dauphine than them, and Contador was weaker than Froome before the crash, you should admit that.
In this Tour Contador could put 3 seconds in an step and short climb, but no so short. Contador has a Km really strong in hard climbs, a 6-10 kms is his ideal climb, 1 kms as Huy is shot for him, but 3 kms with more climbs before is not bad.
But Nibali showed before two days he was really strong.
Nibali has beated Contador in Tirreno last year.
The Nibali of the podium of The TdF or the Nibali of the Vuelta he won is far of the level of this Contador or Froome.
Words of Wiggins:
Wiggins said: “Nibali was fantastic on the pavé [the early cobblestoned stage in the first week that accounted for Froome’s eventual exit].
“I think Nibali will win the Tour, he’s my favourite. If he goes as well as he did when he won the Giro last year, if he’s in the same condition, I think he’s unbeatable.”
On the first rest day of the Tour, the Italian Astana rider is wary of the threats posed by Porte and Spanish Movistar rider Alejandro Valverde. “I was expecting attacks from Contador,” Nibali said.
Remondo said:The only reason Nibali looks so strong is because he is competing against riders that normally finish from 5-10th position. If Froome or Contador was in his position, we would have seen a massacre. They would easily put +2 min into the rest on every MTF.
SafeBet said:Which means they'd be re-writing cycling history books, setting new records for every climb they're doing.
Pinot destroyed 2010 Contador time up Bales today.
Vino attacks everyone said:this. Pinot is easily top 10 of the owrlds best climbers, with only 4 or perhaps 5 guys I would call slightly stronger (Froome, AC, NIbbles, Quintana, on form JRod). He is not any weaker than Aru, and probly stronger than the rest. Valverde aint a nobody either. Fine Peraud is climbing like a freaking beast, but the peloton is by no means "weak". So for AC and Froome to get minutes on every mtf they would make Pantani look like a bold middle aged man that justbought his first bike
Remondo said:Pinot even dropped Nibali today!! Everytime he got dropped there is some excuse. The fact is that he isn't at the same level in climbing as Contador/Froome, he has never beat them on a MTF.
+1 People don't get it.happytramp said:Oh come off it. Do understand how to judge if a rider is going at 100%? Nibaili was clearly taking it easy. Anyone who knows anything about cycling could see that.
Also when Nibali beat both of them in Tirreno last year Froome practically came to a standstill on the final climb.
SafeBet said:Pinot destroyed 2010 Contador time up Bales today.
Remondo said:Froome(before the crash) and Contador simply rode away 20-25 sec in 1k at the Dauphine, and they were also at maybe 85-90 % form.
Remondo said:I dont know where to begin.
First of all, why is it that some can't see that Contador 2014 is a LOT stronger than 2014 level? He haven't been dropped on a single climb all year.
When they rode that 1,8 steep climb earlier in the Tour, Contador didn't even break a sweat. His only concern was the stage victory, because he didn't get the info that someone else was ahead. As soon as he turned the corner and saw the clock ticking he upped the tempo a little bit and Nibali dropped right away.
Pinot even dropped Nibali today!! Everytime he got dropped there is some excuse. The fact is that he isn't at the same level in climbing as Contador/Froome, he has never beat them on a MTF.
And who cares about what Wiggins says.. Wiggins just wanna save face.
The only reason Nibali looks so strong is because he is competing against riders that normally finish from 5-10th position. If Froome or Contador was in his position, we would have seen a massacre. They would easily put +2 min into the rest on every MTF.
bambino said:I think you should not draw a whole lot of conclusions about Nibalis` abilities from Dauphine. The guy was clearly practicing ascent tempo there. Did you actually see him once getting out of saddle responding to an attack from the rest? Neither did I. I remember a stage (not sure which one), after which both Froome and AC actually said in official interview that they went all in to the end, and the result was they made 20-30 sec to Nibali that sat on his saddle the whole climb. It is a `bit` different Nibali that you`ve seen in past 2 weeks.
dduff442 said:Apparently if one of the world's best descenders zips up and grabs a bidon, thus allowing a known poor descender in front a 20 yard lead, that counts as "getting dropped".
At this rate, Contador and Froome should never enter any races. That way, their fans could claim they won them all.
dduff442 said:Apparently if one of the world's best descenders zips up and grabs a bidon, thus allowing a known poor descender in front a 20 yard lead, that counts as "getting dropped".
At this rate, Contador and Froome should never enter any races. That way, their fans could claim they won them all.
SeriousSam said:What's more likely, that Pinot is now actually much better than the best climbers in 2010 or that some of those mysterious factors such as weather, tactics, accumulated fatigue etc account for this?
dduff442 said:Apparently if one of the world's best descenders zips up and grabs a bidon, thus allowing a known poor descender in front a 20 yard lead, that counts as "getting dropped.
SafeBet said:If you read other sub forums, you know better that I was the first one to try to put into perspective his time.
Still, this doesn't change the fact he destroyed Contador time from 2010.
And that the claim Contador/Froome would have put 2 minutes into the others on every climb they've done it's outrageous. There's no data supporting this claim. No matter how big of a fanboy (or a troll) you are, you can't seriously believe that.
when is the last time anyone of them gained two minutes on their strongest opponent in a single climb?SeriousSam said:Yes, two minutes is certainly towards the high end of plausible values.
Eshnar said:when is the last time anyone of them gained two minutes on their strongest opponent in a single climb?
edit> when is the last time anybody at all did it.