Nicole Cooke attacks drug cheats in the womens peloton

[Cyivel]

This ****ing place sometimes.

 

[Benotti69]

Her team folded in 2009 and she didn't have one for 2010. And then there's Marianne Vos.

If Bartolucci is some game changing doping magician, how did Cooke win two World Cups, two Grande Boucles, a Giro Donne, three Fleches, Thuringer Rundfart, RVV and be ranked World no.1 etc before she'd even met him?

She was riding on Italian teams. End of.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

honestly it beggars belief when a sports person like Nicole can bare her soul then way she does in that statement and still get lazy criticism here, like she's upholding omerta or more so she's a cheat. It stinks of the bias and sneering I loathe about this place

It is one of the most heartfelt, admirable statements to come out of the sport and deserves our respect

You are right on this one Jimmy. Nevertheless the dottore Fabio is troublesome but maybe/perhaps even a dope doc sometimes just gives training advise. Haven't seen Cooke sdoing ome supernatural things, if you know what I mean.

Do you have a link to the full interview, missed it.

 

[Hawkwood]

She was riding on Italian teams. End of.

She was in that famous Italian team Halfords Bikehut when she won the Olympic road race and World Championship in 2008.

 

[Benotti69]

She was in that famous Italian team Halfords Bikehut when she won the Olympic road race and World Championship in 2008.

Try and follow the thread. When she won the Olympics and Worlds she was working with Bartolucci.

Before that she was riding with Italian teams.

After the worlds & Olympics she was no longer working with Bartoclucci she won very little.

She did very little on Cippolini's team, why?. I have no proof of Cooke being a doper. Her work with Bartolucci is questionable. Her career took a dive after that Peak. She is retiring at 29 which is very young for a women athlete. Women have a longer physical peak then men.

As i stated and all the Brits flag waving fans ignored was that I hoped she was clean but there was a BIG ? in my opinion over her.

 

[Cycle Chic]

mellow velo i am not

You really don't see a roll for doctors in sports, at all, do you?
You are right: words fail me at this juncture.

its ROLE not roll....mr mellow my name is not !!! bwahahahahahahahaha

 

[Hawkwood]

Try and follow the thread. When she won the Olympics and Worlds she was working with Bartolucci.

Before that she was riding with Italian teams.

After the worlds & Olympics she was no longer working with Bartoclucci she won very little.

She did very little on Cippolini's team, why?. I have no proof of Cooke being a doper. Her work with Bartolucci is questionable. Her career took a dive after that Peak. She is retiring at 29 which is very young for a women athlete. Women have a longer physical peak then men.

As i stated and all the Brits flag waving fans ignored was that I hoped she was clean but there was a BIG ? in my opinion over her.

According to the original article in the Independent she first saw Bartolucci in September 2007, this was after 2006 that some have held to be her best ever season.

 

[Benotti69]

According to the original article in the Independent she first saw Bartolucci in September 2007, this was after 2006 that some have held to be her best ever season.

Cooke feels the 2008 to be her best.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Try and follow the thread. When she won the Olympics and Worlds she was working with Bartolucci.

Before that she was riding with Italian teams.

After the worlds & Olympics she was no longer working with Bartoclucci she won very little.

She did very little on Cippolini's team, why?. I have no proof of Cooke being a doper. Her work with Bartolucci is questionable. Her career took a dive after that Peak. She is retiring at 29 which is very young for a women athlete. Women have a longer physical peak then men.

As i stated and all the Brits flag waving fans ignored was that I hoped she was clean but there was a BIG ? in my opinion over her.

So, Cooke met up with a doping doctor who gave her (in your attribution) the best years of her career, and then she decides to stop working with this guy........
Please continue ..

 

[Mellow Velo]

She was riding on Italian teams. End of.

Oh, so now it's Italian teams.
So much for Bartolucci.
He didn't really deliver the required dirt.
Move along.

It's really about everybody, regardless, having to be dirty isn't it?

This ****ing place sometimes.

Too right.

its ROLE not roll....mr mellow my name is not !!! bwahahahahahahahaha

Ah. Another of your usual, insightful, finger on the pulse contributions.

 

[Benotti69]

So...........................................

Wearing your rubber gloves Doc?

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Oh, so now it's Italian teams.
So much for Bartolucci.
He didn't really deliver the required dirt.
Move along.

It's really about everybody, regardless, having to be dirty isn't it?



Too right.



Ah. Another of your usual, insightful, finger on the pulse contributions.

I don't know why you're getting so cranky. It's a well known scientific fact that only Greg Lemond & David Moncoutie have ever won a bike race clean.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Cooke feels the 2008 to be her best.

You started this whole bunch of crap by saying her results all came under Bertolucci's "guidance".
This fails to explain 2006, so you then come up with Italian teams.

You are yet to explain how she was so far ahead of the rest as a junior.
4 World titles.

I suppose this doesn't count.

You hope she was clean? Yeah...........right.

 

[sniper]

You started this whole bunch of crap by saying her results all came under Bertolucci's "guidance".
This fails to explain 2006, so you then come up with Italian teams.

You are yet to explain how she was so far ahead of the rest as a junior.
4 World titles.

I suppose this doesn't count.

You hope she was clean? Yeah...........right.

level playing field.
nobody says she wasn't talented.

anyway, she may have been clean, she may have been an unrepentant doper, she may have been doped without knowing.
three options, noone knows. just collecting clues.

 

[martinvickers]

It seems suspicious that she had a bad injury in 2007 but still managed to win Olympic Gold a year later. There is only one way this could be achieved and we all know how. She's beginning to look like the female Lance!

Greg Lemond won Le Tour 2 years after being f***ing shot!

People recover from injury, you know. And sometimes they don't. And in recovering from injury, or illness, it is not unknown to meet medical professionals. It's got to the stage in this plae that going to a doctor...ANY doctor...is suspicious.

Yet here, in one and the same breath, Cooke is a doper

a) because she came back well from injury in 2008 - presumably because of the 'special' medicine....

b) because she did not came back from illness in 2009 - presumably in spite of the 'special' medicine...

Both recovering, and failing to recover, are a fact of life. and trying to shoehorn everything and everyone into a doping fantasy on no evidence squared, basically, it seems, because you don't like Brits, undermines the posters credibility far more than the cyclist or athlete they attack.

Jesus wept.

you know, it's not that some people here think she doped.

It's that they WANT her to have doped.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Wearing your rubber gloves Doc?

To wade through your arguement, then I would need more than rubber gloves.

So, care to actually attempt to try to make some sort of logical point about her career after 2008.

 

[Benotti69]

To wade through your arguement, then I would need more than rubber gloves.

So, care to actually attempt to try to make some sort of logical point about her career after 2008.

JV let you off the leash today?

I expressed an opinion. I did not state any fact. I also expressed a hope that she rode clean, which ha conveniently been ignored by those who wish to ignore it is cycling we are talking about. But this is the sport of cycling we are discussing. Those at the top appear to have had a total disregard for the rules.

 

[Mellow Velo]

To wade through your arguement, then I would need more than rubber gloves.

So, care to actually attempt to try to make some sort of logical point about her career after 2008.

He hasn't made a roaring success of her pre-2008 career, either.
Her 2006 and 2007 Italian team was, in fact, Swiss.

 

[sniper]

whatever the case, bartolucci wasn't there to treat her knee, so it seems:

"And he took me to see a doctor he'd worked with before with other athletes, Fabio Bartolucci, and he was able to offer advice and guidelines on how I could try and progress. And things started progressing. They were going OK – still not great – but then in March Fabio took on my coaching as well, and with his medical knowledge he was able to really help prescribe the training for my needs and my limits. And since then it's all been going well. It is a big turnaround. I think it's because I really believed in my dream and really wanted to make it happen and didn't give up when perhaps I might have done."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ng-i-was-in-pain-i-wanted-to-quit-966040.html

 

[Winterfold]

This ****ing place sometimes.

This.

An all round badass, I'd love to see her dish out some pain to the Clinic muppets on their trikes and bathchairs

 

[Benotti69]

He hasn't made a roaring success of her pre-2008 career, either.
Her 2006 and 2007 Italian team was, in fact, Swiss.

Swiss? well nothing to see there, the Swiss along with the Brits dont dope.

 

[Benotti69]

This.

An all round badass, I'd love to see her dish out some pain to the Clinic muppets on their trikes and bathchairs

be careful some of those bathchairs are Specialized with motors

 

[martinvickers]

Swiss? well nothing to see there, the Swiss along with the Brits dont dope.

quod erat demonstrandum, B.

 

[Parker]

whatever the case, bartolucci wasn't there to treat her knee, so it seems:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ng-i-was-in-pain-i-wanted-to-quit-966040.html

I would advise people to follow the link rather than just read sniper's selected bit. The two preceeding paragraphs detail her knees problems and that it was that that lead her to Bartolucci.

 

[Hawkwood]

I think I recall Cooke being outspoken against Millar and his doping in the past, does anyone have a link to what she said?