Quite shocked by this. Definitely Pat is behind this. Wouldn't be surprised if Tinkov is in it too.
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That's a good reason, but if this was the issue why wait until the last moment to reject the WT license?jyhjyh said:Clip from:http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...d-to-loss-of-Katushas-place-in-WorldTour.aspx
'The team has seen EPO positives for Antonio Colom, Christian Pfannberger and Denis Galimzyanov, a positive test for Alexandr Kolobnev which was eventually overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, allegations that Kolobnev sold the 2010 Liège-Bastogne-Liège to Alexander Vinokourov and also claims that Denis Menchov, Mikhail Ignatiev, Vladimir Gusev and Kolobnev have links to Michele Ferrari and are part of the Padua investigation'.
cineteq said:That's a good reason, but if this was the issue why wait until the last moment to reject the WT license?
This is plain ridiculous. I could make a similar text to almost any other team.jyhjyh said:Clip from:http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...d-to-loss-of-Katushas-place-in-WorldTour.aspx
'The team has seen EPO positives for Antonio Colom, Christian Pfannberger and Denis Galimzyanov, a positive test for Alexandr Kolobnev which was eventually overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, allegations that Kolobnev sold the 2010 Liège-Bastogne-Liège to Alexander Vinokourov and also claims that Denis Menchov, Mikhail Ignatiev, Vladimir Gusev and Kolobnev have links to Michele Ferrari and are part of the Padua investigation'.
Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...atushas-place-in-WorldTour.aspx#ixzz2FUjuzOcZ
trevim said:This is plain ridiculous. I could make a similar text to almost any other team.
the asian said:Quite shocked by this. Definitely Pat is behind this. Wouldn't be surprised if Tinkov is in it too.
cineteq said:Putin taking matters into his own hands, literally.
"UCI I got a message for you, just look at me!"
jyhjyh said:Maybe they had to wait for facts from the Padova case?
Teams involved in the Padova/Ferrari case:
Clip from http://english.gazzetta.it/More_spo...nk-accounts-fake-contracts-912946609743.shtml
'Including paying Ferrari. That is why the public prosecutor is also considering the charge of money laundering. Around twenty professional teams are alleged to have been involved in this scam over the four-year period 2008-2011. The prosecutor's office have obtained the contracts of all the cyclists who rode in that period for Liquigas, Lampre, Colnago, Geox, Androni, Katusha, Quick Step, CNF-Inox, Farnese Vini, Acqua&Sapone, Astana, RadioShack, Vacansoleil, ISD, CSF, LPR, Diquigiovanni, Tinkoff, Rabobank, Gerolsteiner and Milram to compare them with the contracts deposited with the UCI to see how much money they failed to declare. An example is the contract signed by Franco Pellizotti "from which it clearly emerges that there was a second contract as described above", it is written in certain documents. "In addition to Pellizotti, the riders of Astana transferred all the money they received through T&F. The evidence is in the computer seized from Yaroslav Popovych, where in a deleted e-mail reference is made to the involvement of T&F as the company paying him his salary from Olympus, the company that manages Astana". A bottomless black hole.'
Ryo Hazuki said:the padova case is non existant and will mean nothing as always with italian doping cases. and this isn't even a dopingcase but a case of tax fraud.
jyhjyh said:I don't agree. This case involves people from many countries. Not only from Italy.
Clip from http://english.gazzetta.it/More_spo...nk-accounts-fake-contracts-912946609743.shtml:
'The doctor from Ferrara is under investigation in Padova for conspiracy in the smuggling, sale and administering of performance-enhancing drugs, tax evasion and money laundering'
Ryo Hazuki said:they say that all the time with italian ivnestigations and in the end they have nothing. you have to understand italian mentality and macho culture to understand that lots of loud screaming doesn't mean a ****
Radioshack ring a bell? Also it's ok to apply to a pro conti license, but not a WT's, what kind of message the UCI is sending here?trevim said:This is plain ridiculous. I could make a similar text to almost any other team.
Ryo Hazuki said:he would be king if he assassinated fat pat now. he would be a hero in the cycling world
cineteq said:Radioshack ring a bell? Also it's ok to apply to a pro conti license, but not a WT's, what kind of message the UCI is sending here?
JimmyFingers said:You'd be swapping one evil for another
Ryo Hazuki said:why? who would become pats follopw up president? it can't be worse than pat
That's my point! Almost every other team has similiar or worse stories surrounding them.cineteq said:Radioshack ring a bell? Also it's ok to apply to a pro conti license, but not a WT's, what kind of message the UCI is sending here?
trevim said:This case is ridiculous. If they looked well at ethics, probably no team would be WT. Everyone has its doping cases and troubles over the years. Who cares? Just give the license to the ones that have sport merit.
The impression Acquarone gave with his interview at the team presentation is that they'll invite Katusha if they bring Rodriguez so I would say he can at least ride the same calendar as last year, without the classics perhaps.