Non-majority opinion = trolling, it seems

[Benotti69]

People who call 'troll', 'sockpuppet' etc every time someone annoys them (or even reports them to the mods) are like footballers who wave imaginary cards to referees when they get fouled. Even if they are right they look pathetic. It just shows that you are insecure in your own opinions.

You are so secure in yours that you needed to post here whining......

 

[Parker]

what about people who whine about those who correctly point out trolls?

First of all, are they trolls? Or people that the Clinic clique have persuaded their favoured mod to ban them.
How do you define a troll? Someone who offers nothing constructive and just posts thinks to wind others up. Well there's only one person on this forum that fits that bill.

Secondly, there's no merit in someone you called a troll being defined by a mod as such if you call everyone one. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

 

[Parker]

You are so secure in yours that you needed to post here whining......

No, I'm not whining. I'm stating my views.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

What exactly does this move hope to achieve? If you'd stopped after the footballers analogy, you would win. That's a great comparison and one I wish I'd come up with first, because accusations of trolling and baiting do get thrown around unnecessarily a lot. But by giving us the "plain English" version and calling other posters pathetic, you're inviting the response. And because you've made the statement that people who call "trolling! baiting!" are pathetic, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, because people can't call you out on your provocative statement because they automatically become labelled with it.

Then we go round the houses a bit and then you start asking to be attacked and implicitly accusing the mods of being complicit in the banning of people with attitudes that run counter to the "groupthink". What exactly is the aim of this? To incite the mod enough with veiled insults so that they do ban you, thus proving your point and martyring yourself? If that post wasn't designed to wind up the Clinic clique I don't know what is. But you do a good job of couching it in language that usually isn't so explicit in naming members, so it's clear who you're trying to get the response out of, and they know they are being insulted, without you having to directly state it. You're good at that.

After all, I remember this post of yours from a thread which ended up about Peter Sagan, and why I don't like him. You entered the discussion to make sweeping statements about a "certain type of cycling fan" that is "pompous and full of self-superiority", "dull and overbearing". Because of the context of the discussion, it is very clear that what you are saying is specifically directed at me. Hrotha called you out on it. And when called out you responded with this post which again refers to "a certain type of alleged fan" and asked "have I insulted forumers?". Which is of course completely disingenuous, because you know for a fact that you have not directly insulted anybody but directed a post which was clearly designed specifically to insult me. Hrotha once more called you out on it, pointed out that you were clearly referring to me in insulting terms, to which you responded "Not specifically". I went back and looked at that thread because the technique being used here reminded me of that discussion. And lo and behold, it's the same poster.

Like I said, you're good at playing on that line. You can insult some non-specific person or group of persons who just happen to share characteristics with the people you are debating with or who are debating in the conversation you side-swipe - but requires them to self-identify with the non-specific entity you insulted in order to riposte. And in this thread you've made it very meta, because you're using that same technique to accuse people of accusing people of trolling and baiting people too easily, knowing that their only real riposte is the very thing you're attacking. That's brilliant. Kudos.

I don't tend to get personal on these boards. It isn't worth it. I've never reported a post nor ignored a poster. But this set-up was too perfect not to give the credit it deserved because you've set up a perfect argument that, in theory at least, you cannot possibly lose. Credit where it's due.

 

[the sceptic]

First of all, are they trolls? Or people that the Clinic clique have persuaded their favoured mod to ban them.
How do you define a troll? Someone who offers nothing constructive and just posts thinks to wind others up. Well there's only one person on this forum that fits that bill.

Secondly, there's no merit in someone you called a troll being defined by a mod as such if you call everyone one. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

My record of calling out trolls is almost 100% correct. I am very good at spotting them, usually within a few posts. If cyclingnews made me a mod, the clinic would run much more smoothly and there would be a higher exchange of intelligent conversation.

 

[sittingbison]

...Would it have been that difficult to send me a PM beforehand and give me the opportunity to defend my thread? Really?...

I...if the thread-closing admin had taken two minutes to write to me, I'd have defended my post courteously and reasonably....

Interestingly you didn't take two minutes to send me a PM. Yet you have managed to create a whole thread that has already degenerated into insults and baiting, and made several lengthy posts. What conclusion should I draw from this??

I am not a contador fan, but HyperMartin does come across as someone whos sole aim is winding up contador fans, from what I can gather, first post sets up a thread to denigrate contador, only posts in that thread, then this thread.

del, this is the first time ever I am in agreement with you. We'd both better take a cup of tea, a bex and a good lie down

Gentle(wo)men,
If I recall, I said the trolling thread is closed. I did not call hypermatin a troll. There is a distinction, and I gave them the benefit of the doubt being a new member (first post was the OP??).

This thread however seems to indicate my natural inclinations were correct. PM being sent.

this thread is also closed.

cheers
bison