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BullsFan22 said:
Norbea said:
BullsFan22 said:
Norbea said:
Merging the subjects of ski and cycling together: Norwegian xc skier Helene Marie Fossesholm - by many considered the greatest talent ever - wants to compete for Norway in junior world championship in both xc skiing and mountain bike. She could very well qualify for the national team in MTB. She also wants to compete in the senior ranks in the World Cup this season. She was 11th in last years national championships at the age of 16! But she will not be allowed by the Norwegian skiing federation to compete in the World Cup this year.


Do you have quotes? Who said that? I am aware of her, saw her for the first time in the Beitostølen races ten days ago and she looked good. Physically not the most imposing, but good technique and steady. For a seventeen year old, the results she had were very good, but I am curious who those 'many' are and what they said.


https://www.nrk.no/buskerud/helene-...a_-_-ma-fa-bryne-seg-mot-dei-beste-1.14308076


Thanks, but where do 'many' say that she is the greatest talent? They compare her to Bjørgen, saying how she's better technically than Bjørgen was at that age. They have quotes from Loefshus, Fredrik Aukland and Torgeir Bjørn. I don't see where they say she is the greatest ever talent.

Well, if she is better than Bjørgen at that age, it is sort of self-evident.
 
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Norbea said:
BullsFan22 said:
Norbea said:
BullsFan22 said:
Norbea said:
Merging the subjects of ski and cycling together: Norwegian xc skier Helene Marie Fossesholm - by many considered the greatest talent ever - wants to compete for Norway in junior world championship in both xc skiing and mountain bike. She could very well qualify for the national team in MTB. She also wants to compete in the senior ranks in the World Cup this season. She was 11th in last years national championships at the age of 16! But she will not be allowed by the Norwegian skiing federation to compete in the World Cup this year.


Do you have quotes? Who said that? I am aware of her, saw her for the first time in the Beitostølen races ten days ago and she looked good. Physically not the most imposing, but good technique and steady. For a seventeen year old, the results she had were very good, but I am curious who those 'many' are and what they said.


https://www.nrk.no/buskerud/helene-...a_-_-ma-fa-bryne-seg-mot-dei-beste-1.14308076


Thanks, but where do 'many' say that she is the greatest talent? They compare her to Bjørgen, saying how she's better technically than Bjørgen was at that age. They have quotes from Loefshus, Fredrik Aukland and Torgeir Bjørn. I don't see where they say she is the greatest ever talent.

Well, if she is better than Bjørgen at that age, it is sort of self-evident.
1) Bjoergen wasn't good in youth categories, so you don't make any sense 2) no one actually said she's better than Bjoergen at that age. They've only said she's better technically than Bjoergen at that age. (Saying that Fossesholm is better than Bjoergen technically says nothing about her performance, so even if Bjoergen was star at youth categories, it would mean nothing.)
 
TJ just doing what TJ does. Eurosport going on about how you have to fund your own training when you've been banned and that's why her comeback is so spectacular and amazing... just 30 seconds after going on about how none of her sponsors left her and all of them stuck by her during her ban.

Ebba Andersson is really great and in a couple of years she's going to be a force, and it looks like she'll pass Kalla. It's rather nice to see varying teams up at the front in women's XC, for so long it's been an internal team battle at the front that even if Therese is going to win comfortably and when Heidi and Ingvild hit form and Falla starts performing to her level in the sprints the Norwegians will start to bogart the podium spots again, it seems a lot more open - there's a lot more depth in that Swedish team now which isn't just reliant on Stina in the sprints and Lotte in the distance for podiums anymore. Finland are in a bit of upheaval after losing their experienced names but Pärmäkoski is notably strong, the Russian duo are good in the shorter races and in the distance races Stadlober is getting better. Hopefully Therese's lack of sprint acumen means we get a more interesting battle for the overall than we have had for the best part of a decade.
 
By the way a bit off Topic but i have to mention it. This year's suits are really horrible. They all look somewhat the same. Every Nation has very darkish Colors. Now brightness whatsoever. i think that's not very spectator friendly at all. Fis always tries to be attractive for the TV observers but they fail to get such Basic things right.
Borway should have a real colorful red, Norway a real colorful yellow/blue and so on. Would be a lot better for spectators.
 
Max Rockatansky said:
Bavarianrider said:
Fantastic race by Tonseth and Rothe, well deserved.
The rest, just pathetic and sad, bunch of Cowards. Totally lame :mad: :mad:

No celebration of Germany's first World Cup victory in years? Instead crying on colors?!

The kid is 21 years old. :cool:


Brugger is a good talent, no doubt. He's had success in WJ's and U23's, but to be fair, the conditions and the rather pedestrian pace that the front peloton skied the second half of the race was what helped Brugger and the second/third and how many other chasing groups there were. Before the race I thought the front three would be tough to catch, they are all in form and Toenseth and Iversen and great classic skiers, plus they would likely work together to keep the gap. Behind them, I thought Niskanen would be the cutoff man for the chasers. I thought after him, nobody would catch up to the chasers. He started behind Klaebo, Halfvarsson and Bolshunov. I felt that he would catch up and those four together would ski a fast pace and once they caught those in front, they would drive the group, plus of course guys like Sundby, Holund, Harvey, Larkov, etc.

At some point they threw the towel and it became a tactical race. Nobody wanted to lead and with the snow coming down harder each lap, I don't blame them. I wouldn't read too much into today's race. The top times today were done by skiers outside the top 30. Had it been another lap, even more would have made contact. Even Poltoranin would have had a chance with bib 51.

The slow pace enabled Iversen to recover and his skis seemed to be working better as the race went on, though he shouldn't have been near the podium. He was well back, but even in the last few hundred meters they were playing games. Nobody wanted to break the snow.

Iversen (kind of amazingly) leads the overall (by only 7 points) over Bolshunov. Bolshunov leads the distance AND sprint rankings, but he lost his overall lead when he couldn't beat Halfvarsson at the finish.

Going forward, there will be many skate races in the coming weeks. Too many, IMO. If you look at the calendar, there are many more skate sprints than classic, and with more skate distance races as well. That is sad for the sport of cross country skiing. A few years ago FIS was trying to act noble to 'save classic skiing,' but you can't really save it by having less and less classic races each season. There's something like twice as many skate sprints as classic this year. Not only that, but no skiathlons.
 
Alexandre B. said:
Max Rockatansky said:
Oh another 20km victory for Martin Fourcade. :D Close one.

Markéta Davidová almost.
Johannes seems mighty strong on the skis though.
Yep, I think fourcade is going to have to shoot amazing this year. He'll still probably win overall due to his relentless consistency, but if they both shoot similar I reckon he'll lose most races to JTB.
 
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Singer01 said:
Alexandre B. said:
Max Rockatansky said:
Oh another 20km victory for Martin Fourcade. :D Close one.

Markéta Davidová almost.
Johannes seems mighty strong on the skis though.
Yep, I think fourcade is going to have to shoot amazing this year. He'll still probably win overall due to his relentless consistency, but if they both shoot similar I reckon he'll lose most races to JTB.
That's what I've heard last four years or so and still Fourcade is much bigger than JTB :razz:

Not saying it can't be this year though. Anything can happen. Bus so far Johaness has one thing or two to do to catch up with M. Fourcade ;)
 
Kokoso said:
Singer01 said:
Alexandre B. said:
Max Rockatansky said:
Oh another 20km victory for Martin Fourcade. :D Close one.

Markéta Davidová almost.
Johannes seems mighty strong on the skis though.
Yep, I think fourcade is going to have to shoot amazing this year. He'll still probably win overall due to his relentless consistency, but if they both shoot similar I reckon he'll lose most races to JTB.
That's what I've heard last four years or so and still Fourcade is much bigger than JTB :razz:

Not saying it can't be this year though. Anything can happen. Bus so far Johaness has one thing or two to do to catch up with M. Fourcade ;)
Not 1 or 2 things, 1 thing. Shoot as well consistently as Fourcade, if he does that he wins, even if he shoots less well he still has a chance. Fourcade however can no longer beat JTB if he shoots worse, and probably not even if they shoot the same.
 
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if i was to bet, i'd say fourcade may have had a recovery issue from yesterday...the 20k was intense. jtb's speed was impressive today !

fis posted start lists few hours back, i dont find klaebo. will be interesting how far will johaug run away. among men, i bet on roethe to win and expect a surprise from spitsov...
 
Kläbo was reported skipping already on monday i think. Cited staleness/fatigue. Similarly Heikkinen who has been subpar though good at preseason performance tests is sidelined too, apparently upper spinal issues.

I think johaug will be beatable this year on courses that have a 50/50 or larger emphasis on absolute power as opposed to power to weight. Lillehammer was a prime example of a course favouring her. When brute force and being fast on the flats get more emphasis, kalla and pärmä for example might as well win.
 
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meat puppet said:
I think johaug will be beatable this year on courses that have a 50/50 or larger emphasis on absolute power as opposed to power to weight. Lillehammer was a prime example of a course favouring her. When brute force and being fast on the flats get more emphasis, kalla and pärmä for example might as well win.
I fear that may be wishful thinking. I think she wins at worst 75% of distance races this year.