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Niskanen in an interview with Norwegian TV said that he felt bad yesterday and even worse today, but "the skis were better than me".

I wonder what's Italys best relay formation would be next year (and especially in the 26 Olympics). I see 3 main options:
Pellegrino-De Fabiani-Graz-Barp
Graz-De Fabiani-Barp-Pellegrino
Barp-De Fabiani-Graz-Pellegrino

In variant 1 you could swap Graz to last and Barp to 3rd. I have a feeling Barp is quicker, but I can't think of a time where we have seen them head to head in a finish sprint.
 
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Niskanen in an interview with Norwegian TV said that he felt bad yesterday and even worse today, but "the skis were better than me".

I wonder what's Italys best relay formation would be next year (and especially in the 26 Olympics). I see 3 main options:
Pellegrino-De Fabiani-Graz-Barp
Graz-De Fabiani-Barp-Pellegrino
Barp-De Fabiani-Graz-Pellegrino

In variant 1 you could swap Graz to last and Barp to 3rd. I have a feeling Barp is quicker, but I can't think of a time where we have seen them head to head in a finish sprint.
Yeah, Barp is a bit younger, but I think Graz is money in the first skating leg.
Graz is 2 years behind Moch and Poromaa, because before he started working with Cramer the coaches tried to turn him into a sprint specialist, when he was always an allrounder and Italy hasn't filled the gap in skating that Clara left.

The Italian juniors have a few great talents atm and some other guys also have legit upside.

Kinda sad that Rastelli retired before focussing more on distance races...
 
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Mocellini is probably out all season long because of that nagging fracture, but he said that he also wants to do more distance races.
The guy is a double poling monster and in the u23 ranks you have 2m tall Chioccetti, who still has to fill out his frame a bit, but has absurd leverages for classic skiing.
 
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The perfect weekend for Braisaz-Bouchet in Lenzerheide means she's now leading the World Cup. I doubt she'll be able perform at that level through the rest of the season though, so I won't put my money on anyone yet.

Lægreid is out of the men's mass start due to a misfiring on Friday, so it still doesn't look like this will be his season.
 
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Impressive performance by Carl, she'd have been top 3 in the skating race last week with 5km loops and equal conditions.
She was top 3 and I'm not sure if she actually lost any position on the weather change and many athletes skiing together. She started only 3 minutes behind Weng, so it's not sure that the conditions changed that much. Diggins started 4 minutes before Carl, and the gap was so big nothing would've made Carl beat her. Maybe Carl could've been 2nd.

Obviously Carl did an amazing performance today, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Germans got the skis right today, with both Fink and Rydzek delivering career best (distance) performances. If Hennig had been here in normal form it would've been Germany 1-2 today.

The story of Carl is pretty amazing. Big junior star, then a long period with not living up to the hype on elite level, every year vague rumours of "she might go to biathlon" then the Olympics, WC relay medal last year, first podium last weekend and the victory today. She's still only 28 so she should have every possibility to still improve a bit and really manifest her position among the absolute elite.
 
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She was top 3 and I'm not sure if she actually lost any position on the weather change and many athletes skiing together. She started only 3 minutes behind Weng, so it's not sure that the conditions changed that much. Diggins started 4 minutes before Carl, and the gap was so big nothing would've made Carl beat her. Maybe Carl could've been 2nd.

Obviously Carl did an amazing performance today, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Germans got the skis right today, with both Fink and Rydzek delivering career best (distance) performances. If Hennig had been here in normal form it would've been Germany 1-2 today.

The story of Carl is pretty amazing. Big junior star, then a long period with not living up to the hype on elite level, every year vague rumours of "she might go to biathlon" then the Olympics, WC relay medal last year, first podium last weekend and the victory today. She's still only 28 so she should have every possibility to still improve a bit and really manifest her position among the absolute elite.
Carl obviously had great skis (especially uphill) but she's been so solid since the start of the world cup and her margins were pretty big today. That was a rock solid ski. She seems like a sweet person, I really like her back story and have been rooting for her to get an individual win. That was pretty cool to watch
 
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Jacqueline finally geta his shooting, but then he does completely. He really is the Pinot of biathlon.
JTB is back on top.
 
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Never thought Carl’s first WC win would be in a classic race, but good for her. She was one of the top junior skiers in the world, going neck and neck with Belorukova, Nepryaeva, Sedova, also the Weng sisters, and then Andersson, who is a little bit younger.

She always had the talent and given her size, power, and now that she’s had a year or two of no health problems, she’s putting it together in the senior ranks.

It’s going to be an interesting TDS, assuming everyone is healthy and taking part.
 
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Well, I actually like Klaebo, so how could I not say yes? :)

But I enjoy both of them more with the commentators muted.
I kinda get where you are going with this, but after finally getting around to watching some XC-skiing Klaebo is not the first name I wish to hear or see.

Still, it is what it is. Especially given Klaebo was racing for his home crowd.
 
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Klæbo is kind of like if Peter Sagan raced like Simon Gerrans and only on very rare occasions did any of the cool stuff that made people want to like Peter Sagan (just often enough to remind you that he is capable of it, but rarely enough to make it frustrating that we seldom see that side of him). And the UCI kept on neutering courses to ensure that he could compete for the win by racing that way. But the commentary still treated him like he was racing like Peter Sagan at his most exciting and venerated him like he was the reason the sport was exciting rather than the exact reverse.
 
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Klæbo is kind of like if Peter Sagan raced like Simon Gerrans and only on very rare occasions did any of the cool stuff that made people want to like Peter Sagan (just often enough to remind you that he is capable of it, but rarely enough to make it frustrating that we seldom see that side of him). And the UCI kept on neutering courses to ensure that he could compete for the win by racing that way. But the commentary still treated him like he was racing like Peter Sagan at his most exciting and venerated him like he was the reason the sport was exciting rather than the exact reverse.
Nah, the Sagan/Gerrans thing is much more fitting for someone like Northug back in the day.
Klaebo is racing like Valverde at his best in the Ardennes classics, while being a Kittel/Cavendish style poster boy.
 
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Klæbo is kind of like if Peter Sagan raced like Simon Gerrans and only on very rare occasions did any of the cool stuff that made people want to like Peter Sagan (just often enough to remind you that he is capable of it, but rarely enough to make it frustrating that we seldom see that side of him).

Nah, the Sagan/Gerrans thing is much more fitting for someone like Northug back in the day.
Klaebo is racing like Valverde at his best in the Ardennes classics, while being a Kittel/Cavendish style poster boy.

I don't know which of these descriptions is the better one; both of them utterly hilarious and apt!

(I still like him. He's not my favourite ever, that's Thomas Wassberg, and I understand why other people don't like him; which is fair enough and I'm not going to argue about it.)
 
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So the Norwegian team for the Tour de Ski looks really meh.
If you already have Klaebo, Golberg and Valnes, why take 2 more sprinters? Nothing personal against Taugböl and Matz William Jenssen, but in a season without big events you take more (younger) distance specialist.

Imo Doennestad , Andersen and Stenshagen would all deserve to be there over those 2...
 
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Klæbo is kind of like if Peter Sagan raced like Simon Gerrans and only on very rare occasions did any of the cool stuff that made people want to like Peter Sagan (just often enough to remind you that he is capable of it, but rarely enough to make it frustrating that we seldom see that side of him). And the UCI kept on neutering courses to ensure that he could compete for the win by racing that way. But the commentary still treated him like he was racing like Peter Sagan at his most exciting and venerated him like he was the reason the sport was exciting rather than the exact reverse.
Interesting; I had a similar comparison in mind. With Sagan being yesterday's news, I thought his skillset resembles most closely that of MvdP. Though where Mathieu is a volcano waiting to erupt, Klaebo is always cold and calculating. If he could just once try to attack from far out like a madman in a long-distance race; maybe I could find it in me to like him a little more. But no, it's always the same – take it as easy as possible on the climbs, accelerate over the top, use your staggering technique and descending skill to make up any ground lost or even create gaps, and take the momentum into the next section with maximum efficiency. Then, wait to unleash all your explosive strength until the last possible moment.

I have to say, his ability to "read" a course and figure out the best approach is stunning, especially in the sprint. He makes others, who are certainly not his lesser in purely athletic terms, look like doddering fools. The way he seems to make a point of looking like he is not the least bit exhausted at the end of every race: it's cool if you do it a few times, but it just becomes slightly vexing over the years.

Also, note how he always wants to be the first to take the skis off his feet and leave the finish area after the quarter and semifinals of a sprint (or at least it seems like it). Every time I watch, I'm hoping for someone to be a little bit faster, but no luck thus far.

I find it a shame that I can't be a fan of his because he has many qualities that I admire, and his technique is very easy on the eyes (though Lars Berger, to me, remains the pinnacle of aesthetics in this sport). At a different time, under different circumstances, I probably would have been. For now, I have to hope for a speedy return of the Russians, if possible, or a steep career trajectory for the likes of Ogden and Schoonmaker, and perhaps a few Swedes.
 
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Klaebo is always cold and calculating. If he could just once try to attack from far out like a madman in a long-distance race; maybe I could find it in me to like him a little more.
He did it in Val di Fiemme two years ago. It was spectacular, but also instantly killed the race. With a guy like Klæbo, I think every time he attacks it's boring because you know he's not gonna mess it up (because he's so calculating).
I liked it better some years ago when he wasn't always strong enough to keep up and there was legit a question whether he would be able to keep up. Without Bolshunov there isn't really anymore anyone that can kill him off, except Kruger which did it at World Champs skiathlon last winter.
 
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He did it in Val di Fiemme two years ago. It was spectacular, but also instantly killed the race. With a guy like Klæbo, I think every time he attacks it's boring because you know he's not gonna mess it up (because he's so calculating).
I liked it better some years ago when he wasn't always strong enough to keep up and there was legit a question whether he would be able to keep up. Without Bolshunov there isn't really anymore anyone that can kill him off, except Kruger which did it at World Champs skiathlon last winter.
Oh yeah, was that the race where his skis were just out of this world and he more or less glided away from Niskanen who had gone on the attack? :D I conveniently deleted that from my memory

Oh, and Golberg beat him in the final of the 50k last year, which was nice.
 
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He did it in Val di Fiemme two years ago. It was spectacular, but also instantly killed the race. With a guy like Klæbo, I think every time he attacks it's boring because you know he's not gonna mess it up (because he's so calculating).
I liked it better some years ago when he wasn't always strong enough to keep up and there was legit a question whether he would be able to keep up. Without Bolshunov there isn't really anymore anyone that can kill him off, except Kruger which did it at World Champs skiathlon last winter.
2021/2022 TdS Klaebo was the best we have ever seen him as a distance skier and Valdi Fiemme his most dominant performance ever.
 
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2021/2022 TdS Klaebo was the best we have ever seen him as a distance skier and Valdi Fiemme his most dominant performance ever.

Not sure if it would have made a difference, because he clearly wasn’t in great form, but Bolshunov fell and broke a pole on the Zorzi climb, halfway through the race. Just as Niskanen was upping the pace.
 
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Not sure if it would have made a difference, because he clearly wasn’t in great form, but Bolshunov fell and broke a pole on the Zorzi climb, halfway through the race. Just as Niskanen was upping the pace.
Yeah, but one day later he also beat Bolshunov on the Alpe Cermis.
Now one might say that he peaked too early, while Bolshunov peaked for the Olympics, but to me that was the best Klaebo that we have ever seen.
 
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If he could just once try to attack from far out like a madman in a long-distance race; maybe I could find it in me to like him a little more. But no, it's always the same – take it as easy as possible on the climbs, accelerate over the top, use your staggering technique and descending skill to make up any ground lost or even create gaps, and take the momentum into the next section with maximum efficiency. Then, wait to unleash all your explosive strength until the last possible moment.

I have to say, his ability to "read" a course and figure out the best approach is stunning, especially in the sprint. He makes others, who are certainly not his lesser in purely athletic terms, look like doddering fools. The way he seems to make a point of looking like he is not the least bit exhausted at the end of every race: it's cool if you do it a few times, but it just becomes slightly vexing over the years.

I really enjoyed the 30 km skiathlon in Lillehammer 2017, where Klaebo demonstrated a lot of what you mention: was dropped, came back, kept his head, used his skillset to the maximum on the final descent. (Although he sort of collapsed over the finish line.) He was maybe more exciting to watch in earlier years.

Then again, the sport has changed overall in ways that makes it less interesting to me.
 
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