Nordic Skiing/Biathlon Thread

[DonAragona]

Klaebo's 50km record
2018 - 40
2019 - 38
2020 - 15
2021 - DSQ
2022 - DNF
Russians then banned
2023 - 2(loses sprint finish to Golberg)
2023 - 7
2024 - 1
2025 - 1(beats Poromma in sprint finish)

Bolshunov's 50km record
2018 - 2
2019 - 2
2020 - 1
2021 - 2(Klaebo breaks his pole)
2022 - 1 (shortened race to 30km)

 

[BigCoward]

Klaebo's 50km record
2018 - 40
2019 - 38
2020 - 15
2021 - DSQ
2022 - DNF
Russians then banned
2023 - 2(loses sprint finish to Golberg)
2023 - 7
2024 - 1
2025 - 1(beats Poromma in sprint finish)

Bolshunov's 50km record
2018 - 2
2019 - 2
2020 - 1
2021 - 2(Klaebo breaks his pole)
2022 - 1 (shortened race to 30km)

And of you only consider the French open then Nadal is better than Djoko. Just as well most sensible people appreciate xc is more than one race.
One of them is much closer to the other in their 'speciality'.
Way to prove that bolshunov fans were not, in fact , buthurt though.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The perfect race from Samuelsson. Giacomel did well to hit the last target after the bullet got jammed. JTB's now in the lead overall, but it could have ended even worse for Lægreid.

 

[No Excuses]

Klaebo's 50km record
2018 - 40
2019 - 38
2020 - 15
2021 - DSQ
2022 - DNF
Russians then banned
2023 - 2(loses sprint finish to Golberg)
2023 - 7
2024 - 1
2025 - 1(beats Poromma in sprint finish)

Bolshunov's 50km record
2018 - 2
2019 - 2
2020 - 1
2021 - 2(Klaebo breaks his pole)
2022 - 1 (shortened race to 30km)

He started his career as a sprinter and would have won in Oberstdorf already.
Apart from that this sports doesn't only consist of wcs, olympics and one distance

 

[Libertine Seguros]

He started his career as a sprinter and would have won in Oberstdorf already.
Apart from that this sports doesn't only consist of wcs, olympics and one distance

But the one distance is key to the consideration of their head to head in respect of that specific distance, which is what I thought the conversation had been about.

 

[Cousin Orson]

Kläbo is certainly not the G.O.A.T. At the highest level greatness is determined by two things:

- Individual WCH/OG gold medals.
- Overall WC titles.

Kläbo has 4 WC titles to Dählies 6 and 9 golds to Dählies 11. Kläbo is behind Dählie in both metrics, but even this comparision is rather flattering to Kläbo for two reasons:

1. XC skiing is historically a long-distance endurance sport.

Not even primarily but from the sport's inception and throughout the 20th century it was exclusively a long-distance endurance sport. That's all it was. Therefore, that is the heart and soul of the sport. 1.5km races contested in a series of elimination heats that FIS came up with in the 21st century because they think german viewers lack the attention span to keep up unless there's a finish every 3 minutes have zero historical relevancy. The sprint is not equal to traditional distances and cannot serve as the basis for determining the greatest of all time. How could it when nothing like it existed for most of the sport's history?

2. What is a World Cup? Or a World Championship?

It's simple, they are events where the best athletes (in this case skiers) in the entire world face off with the purpose of determining who the best athlete in the entire world is. Consequently, if one excludes a host of the world's best skiers - including the world's premiere traditional skier - for geopolitical reasons which have nothing to do with the rules of the sport, what you end up with is not actually a World Cup and not actually a World Championship. It doesn't matter whose fault it is and it doesn't matter if you think it's right or wrong, you have de facto eliminated the World Cup and the World Championship. You can refer to the FIS events hosted in the past 2½ years as "the WC" and "the WCH" and you can call a donkey a thoroughbred, but actually, it's still a donkey.

The revised assessment of the pretender's claim to GOAThood is thus as follows:

- 4 individual WCH/OG gold medals in a historically irrelevant distance.
- 2 individual not-actually-a-world-championship gold medals in a historically irrelevant distance.
3 individual not-actually-a-world-championship gold medals in traditional distances.
3 overall titles in the historically irrelevant (because it includes sprints) World Cup
1 overall title in the historically irrelevant (because it includes sprints) not-actually-a-world-cup.
0 individual WCH/OG gold medals in traditional distances.
0 overall titles in the traditional World Cup (now known as the Distance World Cup)

The real G.O.A.T has Kläbo beat by a crushing 11-0 and 6-0!

 

[Cousin Orson]

I do feel bad for Kläbo that he was not given the chance to prove himself the best in the world on his home turf in Trondheim. Through no fault of his own, he may never get another chance to win a proper XC ski race in an actual WCH or Olympics.

 

[Orcs]

Kläbo is certainly not the G.O.A.T. At the highest level greatness is determined by two things:

- Individual WCH/OG gold medals.
- Overall WC titles.

Kläbo has 4 WC titles to Dählies 6 and 9 golds to Dählies 11. Kläbo is behind Dählie in both metrics, but even this comparision is rather flattering to Kläbo for two reasons:

1. XC skiing is historically a long-distance endurance sport.

Not even primarily but from the sport's inception and throughout the 20th century it was exclusively a long-distance endurance sport. That's all it was. Therefore, that is the heart and soul of the sport. 1.5km races contested in a series of elimination heats that FIS came up with in the 21st century because they think german viewers lack the attention span to keep up unless there's a finish every 3 minutes have zero historical relevancy. The sprint is not equal to traditional distances and cannot serve as the basis for determining the greatest of all time. How could it when nothing like it existed for most of the sport's history?

2. What is a World Cup? Or a World Championship?

It's simple, they are events where the best athletes (in this case skiers) in the entire world face off with the purpose of determining who the best athlete in the entire world is. Consequently, if one excludes a host of the world's best skiers - including the world's premiere traditional skier - for geopolitical reasons which have nothing to do with the rules of the sport, what you end up with is not actually a World Cup and not actually a World Championship. It doesn't matter whose fault it is and it doesn't matter if you think it's right or wrong, you have de facto eliminated the World Cup and the World Championship. You can refer to the FIS events hosted in the past 2½ years as "the WC" and "the WCH" and you can call a donkey a thoroughbred, but actually, it's still a donkey.

The revised assessment of the pretender's claim to GOAThood is thus as follows:

- 4 individual WCH/OG gold medals in a historically irrelevant distance.
- 2 individual not-actually-a-world-championship gold medals in a historically irrelevant distance.
3 individual not-actually-a-world-championship gold medals in traditional distances.
3 overall titles in the historically irrelevant (because it includes sprints) World Cup
1 overall title in the historically irrelevant (because it includes sprints) not-actually-a-world-cup.
0 individual WCH/OG gold medals in traditional distances.
0 overall titles in the traditional World Cup (now known as the Distance World Cup)

The real G.O.A.T has Kläbo beat by a crushing 11-0 and 6-0!

Seek help.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Norwegians cheated once again in ski jumping. They had some illegal fabric in the suits. Second time they were caught in two days after Graabak cheated yesterday in nordic combined. Very bad image.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Norwegians cheated once again in ski jumping. They had some illegal fabric in the suits. Second time they were caught in two days after Graabak cheated yesterday in nordic combined. Very bad image.

Norway trying to stack the deck in their favour in Nordic sports? Say it ain't so.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Not even primarily but from the sport's inception and throughout the 20th century it was exclusively a long-distance endurance sport. That's all it was. Therefore, that is the heart and soul of the sport. 1.5km races contested in a series of elimination heats that FIS came up with in the 21st century because they think german viewers lack the attention span to keep up unless there's a finish every 3 minutes have zero historical relevancy.

 

[esp123]

Norwegians cheated once again in ski jumping. They had some illegal fabric in the suits. Second time they were caught in two days after Graabak cheated yesterday in nordic combined. Very bad image.

Not sure those can be compared. The ski jumping one is a huge scandal if true, and one of the biggest scandals in Norwegian sports history. Blatant cheating and can be compared with doping.

 

[Cousin Orson]

Seek help.

How am I wrong though?

You may disagree about the status of the sprint but it is a novel event with no historical analogue which complicates any comparision with past greats. It is apples and oranges.

Dählie is ahead of Kläbo in both WC titles and individual WCH/Olympic golds. This is just an objective fact, not a matter of opinion.

And how am I wrong about the WCH/WC being reduced to something less than a World Cup/Championship when they are no longer open to athletes from the entire World? Surely you're just coping if you dont see the problem here.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Norwegians doing Norwegians things.
Tarnishes the entire Work championchip for sure. Why would anyone believe it's any different in XC skiing.

 

[Silhouette]

Not sure those can be compared. The ski jumping one is a huge scandal if true, and one of the biggest scandals in Norwegian sports history. Blatant cheating and can be compared with doping.

Right. If this is true then the ski jumping team, coach and all who knew and/or helped, need to be fired. This is organized cheating and shows previous comments from the team in an extremely bad light.

 

[esp123]

Norwegians doing Norwegians things.
Tarnishes the entire Work championchip for sure. Why would anyone believe it's any different in XC skiing.

Not sure a too stiff seam would help in XC skiing.

 

[esp123]

And ski jumping in Norway has struggled enormously the last couple of years. They struggle with the TV numbers and are running huge deficits. There has also been some scandals with how they treated their former coach. All in all the athletes seems less likeable.

This could be the finishing blow for Norwegian ski jumping.

 

[DonAragona]

And of you only consider the French open then Nadal is better than Djoko. Just as well most sensible people appreciate xc is more than one race.
One of them is much closer to the other in their 'speciality'.
Way to prove that bolshunov fans were not, in fact , buthurt though.

Agree with that.

I can get the skiathlon stats as well if you like?

 

[Silhouette]

I hope the Norwegian team gets banned from all competitions for 4 years. Based on their statements there is something completely rotten in the staff there.

 

[esp123]

Yes. The excuses are familiar…. “Everyone else is doing it”. In a poll on the biggest newspaper in Norway they currently have 3 % of those who have answered on their side. Skijumping in Norway is dead after this.

 

[BigCoward]

I hope the Norwegian team gets banned from all competitions for 4 years. Based on their statements there is something completely rotten in the staff there.

You got an English language link to the story? I can't find anything but ski jumping surprisingly isn't that big in the UK.

 

[Silhouette]

You got an English language link to the story? I can't find anything but ski jumping surprisingly isn't that big in the UK.

Sorry, I think google translate is maybe the best option.

Lindvik mistet VM-sølvet – disket for manipulering av dressen

Det skulle være feiringen av et norsk VM-sølv, men har blitt et hoppdrama uten like. Marius Lindvik ble diskvalifisert, og det hele blir omtalt som en enorm skandale av utenlandske medier.

www.vg.no

There have been various statements from people who are or have been in the Norwegian ski jumping community that try to downplay what they have done. I am not impressed.

 

[Sciatic]

Sorry, I think google translate is maybe the best option.

Lindvik mistet VM-sølvet – disket for manipulering av dressen

Det skulle være feiringen av et norsk VM-sølv, men har blitt et hoppdrama uten like. Marius Lindvik ble diskvalifisert, og det hele blir omtalt som en enorm skandale av utenlandske medier.

www.vg.no

There have been various statements from people who are or have been in the Norwegian ski jumping community that try to downplay what they have done. I am not impressed.

Right. If this is true then the ski jumping team, coach and all who knew and/or helped, need to be fired. This is organized cheating and shows previous comments from the team in an extremely bad light.

Excuses should be interesting. Needed an extra layer because their thong lines were showing?

 

[BullsFan22]

The King of Orange will insist, to please his buddy.

Ok

 

[DenisMenchov]

One has to question Riiber's jumps as well now. Basically all the Championships are disgraced now. Lindvik already took 2 gold medals here. NC team also with plenty of golds.

IOC needs to conduct a serious investigation into this. Huge scandal. This is worse than doping.