Nys guys finish first - Thibau, second of his name, Coronation Thread

[Logic-is-your-friend]

There’s a schedule issue. When they say he wants to do 22 CX races they don’t mean at the end of the season or starting in November. They want to start in the beginning and take a break in the middle of the CX season like they did last year. Because next road season they want to participate in the hill classics.

I know that's the plan. I can't imagine you can't move some things around, maybe make a few concessions in order to fit things over a period of 7 months between Vuelta and Amstel. I also wouldn't rule it out that they end up sending him to the Vuelta after all.

 

[Berniece]

I know that's the plan. I can't imagine you can't move some things around, maybe make a few concessions in order to fit things over a period of 7 months between Vuelta and Amstel. I also wouldn't rule it out that they end up sending him to the Vuelta after all.

In your mind road season is more important than CX, but his last name is Nys. At the moment it’s equally as important until he wins a WC in CX probably.

 

[Didinho]

He already rested 1-2 months because the schedule after CX was too close/hard. Not bad to take it easier the rest of the season. He will do a GT next year, maybe even the Giro they said.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

In your mind road season is more important than CX, but his last name is Nys. At the moment it’s equally as important until he wins a WC in CX probably.

That has little to do with it. CX season is stacked with cyclocross classics, if you need to drop one because it doesn't fit the schedule, there is easily another one to pick up a bit earlier or a bit later. CX season lasts over 6 months, starts in september and goes on til februari or march. Exactly the period from Vuelta til classics season. Plenty of time and plenty of opportunities to schedule rest periods and 22 races, to be fresh in april and may.

He already rested 1-2 months because the schedule after CX was too close/hard. Not bad to take it easier the rest of the season. He will do a GT next year, maybe even the Giro they said.

Because they had underestimated the first part of CX season and the impact that would have coming right after his road season. He is making physical leaps every month. He will be a lot stronger next winter than previous winter. If they really think he will be exhausted, because of it, they shouldn't do it obviously, but the Vuelta is the most relaxed GT, and they can pull him out whenever they/he wants. Having him do the Giro as a first GT after CX and hilly classics season, while claiming you want to give him enough rest, would be hilarious tbf.

 

[Berniece]

That has little to do with it. CX season is stacked with cyclocross classics, if you need to drop one because it doesn't fit the schedule, there is easily another one to pick up a bit earlier or a bit later. CX season lasts over 6 months, starts in september and goes on til februari or march. Exactly the period from Vuelta til classics season. Plenty of time and plenty of opportunities to schedule rest periods and 22 races, to be fresh in april and may.

For such a young guy? I don’t think so. Let’s say he does the Vuelta, and has to take a decent period of rest afterwards. This means he will have to start a build up in October and then start riding CX in November. To do 22 CX races then, probably including WC, I would think he won’t be good for the classics

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

For such a young guy? I don’t think so. Let’s say he does the Vuelta, and has to take a decent period of rest afterwards. This means he will have to start a build up in October and then start riding CX in November. To do 22 CX races then, probably including WC, I would think he won’t be good for the classics

He turns 22 later this year, not 18. If you do a full CX winter, you do around 40 races. So 22 really gives you a lot of margin to move things around. The Vuelta this year finishes a week earlier than the last road races he did last year. If he gets out after week 2, his road season ends more than 2 weeks earlier than it did last year.

 

[Berniece]

He turns 22 later this year, not 18. If you do a full CX winter, you do around 40 races. So 22 really gives you a lot of margin to move things around. The Vuelta this year finishes a week earlier than the last road races he did last year. If he gets out after week 2, his road season ends 2 weeks earlier than it did last year.

A Vuelta has a different impact on your body than what he did last year.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

A Vuelta has a different impact on your body than what he did last year.

lol, yes. I'm aware. And he'd get half a month extra time to recover, and he'll be a year older and has shown to be a lot stronger than he was this year already.

And the Vuelta having an impact on his body, is exactly the point. It will make him even stronger, and it might very well HELP him in April-May next year when he wants to ride hilly classics. Maybe people should start looking at the potential upsides instead of just potential downsides.

 

[Ricco']

There’s a schedule issue. When they say he wants to do 22 CX races they don’t mean at the end of the season or starting in November. They want to start in the beginning and take a break in the middle of the CX season like they did last year. Because next road season they want to participate in the hill classics.

Wouldn't that way his break fall during the period where the World Cups will be held, which will be next season more concentrated around the middle of the CX season?

 

[ManicJack]

Wouldn't that way his break fall during the period where the World Cups will be held, which will be next season more concentrated around the middle of the CX season?

Which will probably lead to even more sporadic participation of them by top riders than last year.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

No matter what they decide to do, riding or not riding the 2024 Vuelta will probably not be what ends up defining his career.

 

[Didinho]

Because they had underestimated the first part of CX season and the impact that would have coming right after his road season. He is making physical leaps every month. He will be a lot stronger next winter than previous winter. If they really think he will be exhausted, because of it, they shouldn't do it obviously, but the Vuelta is the most relaxed GT, and they can pull him out whenever they/he wants. Having him do the Giro as a first GT after CX and hilly classics season, while claiming you want to give him enough rest, would be hilarious tbf.

They also said the Vuelta is the best way to get to know a GT, but that's not for this year. I guess they ment they could even do the Giro next year if they don't want to let him wait to next years Vuelta.
He even had to do a 3 week rest in the CX season. Really high peaks and some low peaks after. Just as in his road season. They will figure it out at Trek I would assume.
And why could he not do the hilly classics with the Giro afterwards? It's not like he's going there for GC. Remco and Tadej also doing Liege beforehand.
But I get what you mean. He's getting stronger already. Another shortened CX season and go for the elite WC. Rest enough and just start later on the road.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

They also said the Vuelta is the best way to get to know a GT, but that's not for this year. I guess they ment they could even do the Giro next year if they don't want to let him wait to next years Vuelta.
He even had to do a 3 week rest in the CX season. Really high peaks and some low peaks after. Just as in his road season. They will figure it out at Trek I would assume.
And why could he not do the hilly classics with the Giro afterwards? It's not like he's going there for GC. Remco and Tadej also doing Liege beforehand.
But I get what you mean. He's getting stronger already. Another shortened CX season and go for the elite WC. Rest enough and just start later on the road.

I'd find it a bit hypocritical to deny him 3 or even 2 weeks of Vuelta because it would be "too much" now, but then have him peak for the big CX races in the second part of the season, rest to prepare a full hilly classics month, and then do 3 weeks of Giro right after. I also think doing the Vuelta now, if only 2 weeks, will immensely benefit him the entirety of next year. I also don't think his age, he will turn 22 only 2 months after the Vuelta, should still be used as an argument against riding the Vuelta. There are 7 months in between Vuelta and Amstel, surely they can find enough time for 22 CX races (basically 11 weekends) and time for recovery and training.

But that's just my opinion, if they don't i promise i will NOT use lethal force against Thibau or his team.

 

[jmdirt]

I wouldn't know why that would be such a big issue. Van Aert and Van der Poel have done WCC RR in the past that follow the Vuelta, and still did a series of CX races. Nys is only planning on doing 22 CX races anyway, so they could come up with a schedule that includes both Vuelta and CX winter. It's not that going to the Vuelta means he will be unable to do what he loves. Just needs a slight change of schedule.

Logic would tell you that we are talking as much about his mental fitness as much as his physical fitness.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Logic would tell you that we are talking as much about his mental fitness as much as his physical fitness.

His road season started less than 2 months ago. After the Vuelta there will be 7 months before the next road season. In between a CX winter with only 22 race days. What exactly do you think would be the issue regarding his mental fitness?

 

[yaco]

Nys did not start his road season until Mid April so he's hardly been over-raced. There are suitable stages for him in this edition of the Vuelta and you add in the residual fitness from doing a GT. You also need to look at the bigger picture . What GT could he ride in 2025 ? Lidl will be all in for Milan and Geoghan-Hart for the Giro and the TDF. You don't want to end up like Kooij who in his fifth year has ridden 9 days in one GT or Merlier in his sixth year who I think is the best sprinter, has ridden one TDF and won the only stage he was allowed to contest the sprint. You need to grab your opportunities while they are available.

 

[ManicJack]

You also need to look at the bigger picture .

Maybe he is and it just happens to be a different picture than people on the internet think it is or should be.

 

[jmdirt]

His road season started less than 2 months ago. After the Vuelta there will be 7 months before the next road season. In between a CX winter with only 22 race days. What exactly do you think would be the issue regarding his mental fitness?

Try not to be so sensitive! Its not just about time or race days, its about how much he's enjoying racing his bike (and balancing that with being a 20 something).

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Try not to be so sensitive! Its not just about time or race days, its about how much he's enjoying racing his bike (and balancing that with being a 20 something).

This is getting a bit too un-/surreal for me.

Maybe he is and it just happens to be a different picture than people on the internet think it is or should be.

Yeah, those people on the internet should find an online gathering space for people with the same interest to discuss their ideas, instead of bothering Nys here personally with their opinions.

 

[ManicJack]

Yeah, those people on the internet should find an online gathering space for people with the same interest to discuss their ideas, instead of bothering Nys here personally with their opinions.

This makes zero sense as a response to my statement.

 

[jmdirt]

This is getting a bit too un-/surreal for me.


Yeah, those people on the internet should find an online gathering space for people with the same interest to discuss their ideas, instead of bothering Nys here personally with their opinions.

OK, let me put it this way: let the kid do what he wants instead of forcing some set number of race days, road days, CX days. Placing unrealistic (different for every racer) expectations is what leads to either "he never lived up to his expectations", or worse, him getting out of the sport at 25 years old. A third option for him is being a CXer, and just using the road as a way to train and make a few bucks between CX seasons.

 

[peterfin]

He should obviously enjoy what he does but when it comes to finding a niche where he can really excel, road races with uphill sprints happen to be a better fit for Nys than CX races and, more importantly, offer him a better career too. If a career is what matters to him, he should limit his CX races and focus on road races that match his profile.

 

[jmdirt]

He should obviously enjoy what he does but when it comes to finding a niche where he can really excel, road races with uphill sprints happen to be a better fit for Nys than CX races and, more importantly, offer him a better career too. If a career is what matters to him, he should limit his CX races and focus on road races that match his profile.

His dad would probably argue otherwise.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

OK, let me put it this way: let the kid do what he wants instead of forcing some set number of race days, road days, CX days. Placing unrealistic (different for every racer) expectations is what leads to either "he never lived up to his expectations", or worse, him getting out of the sport at 25 years old. A third option for him is being a CXer, and just using the road as a way to train and make a few bucks between CX seasons.

I did not know i had that kind of power. Here i was, thinking i was just giving my opinion and having a discussion with other people.

His dad would probably argue otherwise.

I think you could be gravely mistaking.

 

[jmdirt]

I did not know i had that kind of power. Here i was, thinking i was just giving my opinion and having a discussion with other people.



I think you could be gravely mistaking.

Well people claim that Kuss won the Vuelta because of X so...

Hopefully my point was clear, and you are juts playin'.

How could I be mistaken? His dad made a great career out of CX racing.