Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[Love the Scenery]

Notice that the Livestrong business does not appear to be disturbed at this time.

I'm not talking about the Livestrong charity.

It make take a few months for it to happen, but it will. It was a mistake to link the brand so closely to the person.

 

[Boeing]

I'm waiting for the report that Hincape is driving a white bronco with Lance in the back in the fetal position and a gun in hand down the 405

 

[Love the Scenery]

This article summarizes today's sponsorship losses, considering the history of the Nike sponsorship in particular.

Apparently Johnson Health Tech is holding out. Who?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/s...wn-as-chairman-of-his-charity.html?ref=sports

Also a fun article on Kayle Leogrande and his relationship to the eventual Armstrong investigation. Kind of flimsy, actually, but a fun article anyway

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/s...ance-armstrongs-eventual-fall.html?ref=sports

 

[sittingbison]

The American public loves the repentant sinner and I could see him play this out to his advantage...

I disagree. I think its more a case of a snake oil merchant being found out by the townspeople. They are NEVER forgiving of being taken for fools. He will out of town tarred and feathered, or hung from the nearest branch.

...he and Livestrong may retain much of their customer base...

Again disagree. Same reason. Deceipt. The customer base have place their FAITH in Armstrong. He was one of them. He overcame through sheer will power. There are no worse enemies than those whose faith has been knowingly deceived.

Armstrong is finished, with or without a confession. Livestrong IS Armstrong - it is finished too, it will only be a matter of months.

 

[Tinman]

Love the Scenery / SittingBison - hope you are right, really do. Guess I am once bitten twice shy, but you are probably right.

 

[ElChingon]

I'm waiting for the report that Hincape is driving a white bronco with Lance in the back in the fetal position and a gun in hand down the 405

Replace Hincapie with Livingston and you have a better analogy

 

[Love the Scenery]

I'm waiting for the report that Hincape is driving a white bronco with Lance in the back in the fetal position and a gun in hand down the 405

Hehheh, posters on espn.com have also been predicting Lance will do an OJ

 

[ElChingon]

I wrote to Nike to express my displeasure at their decision to continue supporting the Supreme Nozzle. The response is below. What a crock.

Hi,

Thank you for writing in and for expressing your feelings towards Lance Armstrong and Nike's relationship.

We are saddened that Lance Armstrong may no longer be able to participate in certain competitions and his titles appear to be impacted. Lance has stated his innocence and has been unwavering on this position. Nike plans to continue to support Lance and the Lance Armstrong Foundation, a foundation that Lance created to serve cancer survivors.

We always welcome constructive comments from consumers and appreciate you sharing. Your comments are important to us and we have passed it on to the appropriate departments within Nike.

Again, thank you for contacting us and have a great day.

Sincerely,

Miguel
Nike

Don't forget to send the thank you letter now

 

[dadane]

Apparently Johnson Health Tech is holding out. Who?

Another worldwide on-seller of stuff made 'cheaply' in China.

Definitely, not the pharmaceutical company famous for making anti-irritation creams for certain lower areas of the body. That would have just been to ironic for words.

 

[knewcleardaze]

I dunno if Lance has to do anything.
As per the NYT, he's worth $125 mil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/s...his-charity.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&ref=sports

 

[neineinei]

Verbruggen says there is no proof against Armstrong:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/wielersport/13089646/__Geen_bewijs_tegen_Armstrong__.html

Proud of him yet IOC?

 

[peterst6906]

Verbruggen says there is no proof against Armstrong:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/wielersport/13089646/__Geen_bewijs_tegen_Armstrong__.html

Proud of him yet IOC?

"Er is dus geen spoor van bewijs" - Verbruggen

You have got to be kidding me. What a fool.

and this:

"Het verhaal van mevrouw LeMond is dus dermate onzinnig dat het geen officiële verklaring waard is"

More like, doesn't want have to make a statement on it. Better to say nothing than to lie.

 

[blackcat]

i don't see a confession.

perhaps i do not understand the legal side as well as i should but i don't understand how a confession will get him out of fast coming law suits based on him fraudulently receiving millions from his accusers.

sca and sunday times paid him real millions they want to be paid back.

how on earth armstrong's admission will pay the money back ?

sure he can arrange for settlements without the loud and humiliating law suits. but he does not have to confess for that, just offer a generous settlement and be done with (if accepted).

what am i missing ?

South Australia government getting counsel too

 

[neineinei]

South Australian Government urged to sue Lance Armstrong

 

[blackcat]

There is likely enough testimony available to cause him to settle a few sponsor lawsuits, if there are contracts with "no cheating" clauses. The SCA case depends on them; whether they want money back. But others have stated the obvious; he can't admit it or his ability to negotiate in settlements will be compromised.

Oprah's retired and Pierce Morgan would not be a simpathetic ear.
Letterman has already joked: "the air in New York is really polluted with chemicals...almost as much as Lance Armstrong's blood".

think Kim Kardashian is available, for the right price. Like a Yellow Rose hostess

 

[Ferminal]

South Australian Government urged to sue Lance Armstrong

How about an investigation into Rann/Turtur's role instead?

They have no right to take action against Armstrong, they knew what they were getting and happy to pay for it.

 

[fishtacos]

South Australian Government urged to sue Lance Armstrong

As much as I would love to see him have to give his appearance fees back, I don't see how they could sue Armstrong - they paid him to show up, to draw crowds, and to gain publicity: all of which happened.

They should sue the idiot public officials and organizers who thought up and approved of the payments. I doubt they held a public referendum and voted on whether or not the payments should be made.

 

[msjett]

Appears he is not as popular in Adelaide as he once was....

http://www.news.com.au/national/lan...-across-adelaide/story-fncynjr2-1226498760163

Lance Armstrong's images being ripped down across Adelaide

 

[blackcat]

Its worth reading the comments the velonews article: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...ong-continues-livestrong-collaboration_261699

Starting with this one:



People really are upset and p1ssed that they were deceived.

the thing is, they WERE NOT deceived. They chose to believe the myth.

The truth was hiding in plain sight. They sought to deceive themselves.

The deception was always within.

 

[sittingbison]

...I don't see how they could sue Armstrong - they paid him to show up, to draw crowds, and to gain publicity: all of which happened...

I have a different take on this, same with anyone paying him to promote their product.

They are actually paying him for his image. The cancer survivor who through sheer willpower won the TdF (drug free). Its this image that draws the crowd and gains publicity. His image rubs off on their image (the TDU). But his image NOW is that of a lying cheating thieving bullying fraud and charlatan, THIS image is now contaminating their image by association. They never would have exposed their image to the damage caused by his REAL image.

So I believe any company that has ever employed him for his image has every right to sue him for fraud.

 

[blackcat]

I have a different take on this, same with anyone paying him to promote their product.

They are actually paying him for his image. The cancer survivor who through sheer willpower won the TdF (drug free). Its this image that draws the crowd and gains publicity. His image rubs off on their image (the TDU). But his image NOW is that of a lying cheating thieving bullying fraud and charlatan, THIS image is now contaminating their image by association. They never would have exposed their image to the damage caused by his REAL image.

So I believe any company that has ever employed him for his image has every right to sue him for fraud.

right. Cant be buyer beware when he held himself out as a man of pure character and a cancer conqueror and fighter.

 

[blackcat]

Leaving Lance behind:
Nike, Chairmanship of Lance Armstrong Foundation, Anheuser-Busch/Michelob Ultra, FRS energy drinks, Trek Bicycles and Giro Helmets.

And the day's still not over yet.

 

[dadane]

i don't see a confession.

perhaps i do not understand the legal side as well as i should but i don't understand how a confession will get him out of fast coming law suits based on him fraudulently receiving millions from his accusers.

sca and sunday times paid him real millions they want to be paid back.

how on earth armstrong's admission will pay the money back ?

sure he can arrange for settlements without the loud and humiliating law suits. but he does not have to confess for that, just offer a generous settlement and be done with (if accepted).

what am i missing ?

I think today has been pretty expensive. Those contracts would have terminated by mutual agreement with Herman and co. with clauses.

However, the SCA issue...

 

[fishtacos]

My point is that they paid a one-time appearance fee, which resulted in massive publicity for their event and region, and in people coming and spending more money than they would have. Thus, they got their money's worth for the fee.

Now, they look like fools for having paid a cheating scumbag liar huge sums of public cash, but I'm not sure you can sue for your money back if the person you paid got the results you wanted, at the time.

Would Trek have the right (and the gall...) to sue him for his salary & bonuses? Wouldn't they also then have to reimburse everyone who bought a Trek because of Lance? And, they had an on-going contract with Armstrong, not a one-time deal. (Assuming that Trek didn't know the truth, which is inconceivable)

Mind you, I hope they do sue, and I see your point. I just think that they don't have much of a leg to stand on. And I'd also like to see them go after Rann & Turtur as Ferminal suggested.

 

[blackcat]

yeah, they can sue.

They were sold a bill of goods.

If the former Rann gov't was still in power, the SA voters would be right to be angry with them and vote them out of power, cos they bought something claiming to be what it was not.

Turtur knew. Sue that cat too.