Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[frenchfry]

It all links together.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...armstrong-jeff-novitzky-floyd-landis/3449217/

To prepare for the depositions, Armstrong's attorneys also want the government to share the fruits of its investigation into their client so that Armstrong is not blind-sided in his depositions.

Is simply telling the truth really that difficult? Or put otherwise, is crafting the lies really that difficult?

 

[Merckx index]

To prepare for the depositions, Armstrong's attorneys also want the government to share the fruits of its investigation into their client so that Armstrong does not lie about something that the government knows is not true.

Fixed that for them.

 

[gooner]

Cav talking about Lance in his new book(extract)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/mark-cavendish/10428756/.html

 

[Stingray34]

The dam wall has broken and Lance is still complaining about leaks.

For a guy who's spent most of his life on a program, Lance needs to quickly get with the program.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Cav talking about Lance in his new book(extract)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/mark-cavendish/10428756/.html

Straight from the omerta for dummies 2013 edition.

Again fluffy CN works.

 

[Bosco10]

That was a painful interview. Low octane, so you know, not really cheating for my entire career. It was low octane. Went to the Vuelta with a crap team, the whole team was crap, but *I* was motivated. Only went high octane because I wasn't winning despite my talent. Gah. And the stuff about Hein/Pat... They were only a product of their environment too. Let's not talk about the bribes and business deals and general thuggery/corruption. That's just, you know, business.

Oh yeah, and Greg was doped to the eyeballs, cuz no *way* could a guy win clean. High octane/low octane. Clearly had to be doped. I'm the most talented. Me. Me me me me me me me.

I need a shower.

John Swanson

lol.. Great translation of the Armstrongegospeak. Ever the game player, Lance is still crafty and cunning. He has something up his sleeve. And I know he wants to stick it to USADA, and get his ban lifted.

 

[hrotha]

Cav talking about Lance in his new book(extract)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/mark-cavendish/10428756/.html

He wasn't too preoccupied with the here and now to comment on Riccò and have his (lack of) morals judged on the strength of what he said.

 

[ChrisE]

This was really pathetic, even for Armstrong.

Why is it pathetic?

The clinic is meandering around the subject like a square dance competition, in the 'clean' thread and the 'first EPO TdF champion' thread. LA said no more than what is going on in there. You guys are funny with the qualifiers vouching for the cleanliness of the all American superheroes with all of the innuendo in those threads during the years of their careers.

 

[ChrisE]

What would make it not disappointing? Not publishing it.

To be honest, I don't know why DB published it at all. What new content does it contain?

..............

*snipped for brevity".

I see your point, but I can go to any news website today and see regurgitated stuff. Just think of all the bandwidth that could be saved using your philosophy. You should start a petition.

One bit of enjoyment I take out if it is watching the frenzy this 'no new information' puts the clinic into. He should say the sun rises in the east in his interviews, so he can come back to the top of the clinic and be called a ***.

Hopefully some substantive discussion will come out going forward based upon the subject, instead of screeching and personal attacks. Talk about 'no new content' ; maybe a thread should be started for ad hominems toward LA and the other threads can be left to discuss the subject of his interviews or news. Weekly prizes could be given for the most creative ad hominem, instead of this same regurgitated name calling we have seen over and over again.

 

[mattghg]

This is a sh!t who literally cannot come to terms with the fact that there were a ton of riders more talented than him.

This

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[thehog]

Cav talking about Lance in his new book(extract)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/mark-cavendish/10428756/.html

Another book!

Those British riders love releasing books

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I see your point, but I can go to any news website today and see regurgitated stuff. Just think of all the bandwidth that could be saved using your philosophy. You should start a petition.

I don't go to other news websites, rarely read the newspapers or watch TV news for that same reason. When I read "exclusive" I expect something exclusive, not regurgitation. Fool me once eh?

And the sun does rise in the East. Too subtle for me to get your meaning there?

 

[frenchfry]

Why is it pathetic?

The clinic is meandering around the subject like a square dance competition, in the 'clean' thread and the 'first EPO TdF champion' thread. LA said no more than what is going on in there. You guys are funny with the qualifiers vouching for the cleanliness of the all American superheroes with all of the innuendo in those threads during the years of their careers.

Chris, you know darned well that I am not American and that I never vouch for the cleanliness of any riders whatever their nationality.

Armstrong throwing out Hampsten's name was a cheap shot. Period. Maybe it was a vindictive reaction to the fact that Hampsten once made public an open letter in support of Lemond (pretty sick to go after someone for what he said in 2004). In the interview Armstrong didn't just say what was "going on in there", he is attempting to control the storyline and manipulate opinion in his favor as usual. You are having so much fun bashing the bashers that you don't pick up on the obvious.

Here is a link to Hampsten's letter:

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=6730

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Another book!

Those British riders love releasing books

lol yeah, but why not if the public lines up to buy the stuff. After Rio Cav will release a new book again.

 

[thehog]

lol yeah, but why not if the public lines up to buy the stuff. After Rio Cav will release a new book again.

He's catching Wiggins!

So current count;

Wiggo - 5 books
Cav - 2 books
Froomes - 1 book

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He's catching Wiggins!

So current count;

Wiggo - 5 books
Cav - 2 books
Froomes - 1 book

Solves the Christmas gift dilemma for a family of six doesn't it.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

This thread is about Armstrong. Stay on topic.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Quote: "You are not worth the chair you are sitting on..."

So in the latest part of the interview he thinks, yeah, maybe I should've lied in a gentler, kinder way. That way I wouldn't have fallen so hard. Is this what passes for internal reflection and contrition? Whew. I mean, he really thinks that if he had cheated and lied in a friendlier matter that everyone would accept that he was a rightful champion. He really believes that.

And Mr. Armstrong, when Walsh was doggedly pursuing the truth he was not "just like you". Do you actually, really believe that? He was trying to expose your fraud and you were doing everything in your power to crush him. He was doing his job and doing it well. You were awful at your job and had to lie and cheat and berate and belittle just to steal a bit of glory that didn't even last very long.

Unreal. Keep seeing that therapist. You've got a lot of issues to work through.

John Swanson

 

[Benotti69]

Interview part 2. Armstrong still a C#NT.

 

[MarkvW]

lol.. Great translation of the Armstrongegospeak. Ever the game player, Lance is still crafty and cunning. He has something up his sleeve. And I know he wants to stick it to USADA, and get his ban lifted.

I'd have thought that the "Lance, the Evil Mastermind" theory has been fully discredited by now.

Lance had a tight crew that he could control through intimidation. That's not particularly hard--bike riders have demonstrated that they are easy to intimidate. Then, Lance gets all hubristic and urinates on Floyd. Ever since, he has totally mismanaged his response to the crisis. I don't think we can name one smart thing Lance has done since Floyd snitched--despite having access to the most expensive legal, PR, and crisis management advice.

Lance's crisis has lasted for more than three years now. And it is going to last for more. That is awful crisis management. I can't think of anything remotely like it. Watergate didn't last this long!

And why is Lance doing any interviews now, when his ill-gotten fortune is in jeopardy? It's because (a) he's not very smart, (b) he's not following his lawyer's advice, and (c) he is still clearly running his own show. Why does Lance keeps Herman as his pet lawyer, despite his established record of non-success? It can't be loyalty, because Lance doesn't do loyalty. It has to be because (IMO) Herman is happy to be Lance's servant, rather than his lawyer.

Since the Posties have snitched, the only valuable information that Lance has is Ferrari--the man who made him. Lance is now going on CN and doing a sociopath's tease: "Will I give you Ferrari, or won't I?" I doubt that will ever happen, but it is the only meaningful card Lance has left to play now that McBruggen is out. There's no master strategy here, just a boy seeking attention in a third-rate theater.

 

[mattghg]

So in the latest part of the interview he thinks, yeah, maybe I should've lied in a gentler, kinder way. That way I wouldn't have fallen so hard. Is this what passes for internal reflection and contrition?

Like Benotti said:

T&R is what Armstrong wants and I hope Cookson doesn't deliver because this guy is not repentent, neither are most of them.

If we had a 'truth and reconciliation' process we wouldn't actually get truth, we'd just get self-serving manipulative nonsense like this from Armstrong.

 

[frenchfry]

Interview part 2. Armstrong still a C#NT.

I read this to see if there is a glimmer of a hope that he will change. Not going to happen.

Armstrong still hasn't figured out that it isn't about the doping. He is still manipulating the narrative to try to convince us that 1) everyone was doing it and 2) he really didn't dope that much, just a little "conservative" bit.

Even if it was about the doping, 1) not everyone was doing it, just those who were his rivals and of course his own team and 2) nobody is going to believe the "conservative" doper crap.

He can't even tell the truth about 2009. Still the same old C#NT as Benotti69 so eloquently puts it.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

I'd have thought that the "Lance, the Evil Mastermind" theory has been fully discredited by now.

Lance had a tight crew that he could control through intimidation. That's not particularly hard--bike riders have demonstrated that they are easy to intimidate. Then, Lance gets all hubristic and urinates on Floyd. Ever since, he has totally mismanaged his response to the crisis. I don't think we can name one smart thing Lance has done since Floyd snitched--despite having access to the most expensive legal, PR, and crisis management advice.

Lance's crisis has lasted for more than three years now. And it is going to last for more. That is awful crisis management. I can't think of anything remotely like it. Watergate didn't last this long!

And why is Lance doing any interviews now, when his ill-gotten fortune is in jeopardy? It's because (a) he's not very smart, (b) he's not following his lawyer's advice, and (c) he is still clearly running his own show. Why does Lance keeps Herman as his pet lawyer, despite his established record of non-success? It can't be loyalty, because Lance doesn't do loyalty. It has to be because (IMO) Herman is happy to be Lance's servant, rather than his lawyer.

Since the Posties have snitched, the only valuable information that Lance has is Ferrari--the man who made him. Lance is now going on CN and doing a sociopath's tease: "Will I give you Ferrari, or won't I?" I doubt that will ever happen, but it is the only meaningful card Lance has left to play now that McBruggen is out. There's no master strategy here, just a boy seeking attention in a third-rate theater.

Quite an articulate and on-point summary.

Regarding Ferrari, what can he say that we don not already know? Ferrari id the doping doctor of record and maybe he had Lance on a little known product, on exclusivity? Maybe.

The Lance show is now on re-runs. And still boring. And he is still trotting out the tired old talking points....deposition will be interesting and should be in the public domain.

 

[MarkvW]

Quite an articulate and on-point summary.

Regarding Ferrari, what can he say that we don not already know? Ferrari id the doping doctor of record and maybe he had Lance on a little known product, on exclusivity? Maybe.

The Lance show is now on re-runs. And still boring. And he is still trotting out the tired old talking points....deposition will be interesting and should be in the public domain.

Lance could give Ferrari to the Italians. They've already got a lot of evidence, and he could connect the dots. At least get the scumbag's medical license stripped.

 

[thehog]

Twas a good post from MarkW,

Lance is trying to sound like a Garmin doper. Like a regular all round normal doper he got caught up in the “dark era”. Just like poor old Hein did.

Lance has to hide the fact that he was a dealer, kingpin, user, bully all rolled into one. He also is trying to hide the fact he was in collusion with the governing body as Lance was fixing the race so he’d win.

There’s another part whereby he is trying to hang onto his sporting legacy. Not only did he dope to win but he fixed his wins. Not only is he useless and nothing like a Hampston or LeMond he was so bad as a GT rider he had to make sure everyone else couldn’t dope to the levels he was.