Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

Also...

When he watched the 2008 Tour and the pathetic level of doping going on he thought - I'll have some of that again.

Those guys can't dope. So he came back to dope high-octane again.

2009 was one of the dopest Tour's ever. Contador and Shleck's were ridiculous.

 

[Benotti69]

Twas a good post from MarkW,

Lance is trying to sound like a Garmin doper. Like a regular all round normal doper he got caught up in the “dark era”. Just like poor old Hein did.

Lance has to hide the fact that he was a dealer, kingpin, user, bully all rolled into one. He also is trying to hide the fact he was in collusion with the governing body as Lance was fixing the race so he’d win.

There’s another part whereby he is trying to hang onto his sporting legacy. Not only did he dope to win but he fixed his wins. Not only is he useless and nothing like a Hampston or LeMond he was so bad as a GT rider he had to make sure everyone else couldn’t dope to the levels he was.

I wonder is JV on Armstrong's team now and advising him?

 

[del1962]

Lance could give Ferrari to the Italians. They've already got a lot of evidence, and he could connect the dots. At least get the scumbag's medical license stripped.

Ferrari is already banned from working with Italian cyclists, and now I think has a worldwide ban.

Does he still have a medical licence though?

 

[WinterRider]

I'd have thought that the "Lance, the Evil Mastermind" theory has been fully discredited by now.

Lance had a tight crew that he could control through intimidation. That's not particularly hard--bike riders have demonstrated that they are easy to intimidate. Then, Lance gets all hubristic and urinates on Floyd. Ever since, he has totally mismanaged his response to the crisis. I don't think we can name one smart thing Lance has done since Floyd snitched--despite having access to the most expensive legal, PR, and crisis management advice.

Lance's crisis has lasted for more than three years now. And it is going to last for more. That is awful crisis management. I can't think of anything remotely like it. Watergate didn't last this long!

And why is Lance doing any interviews now, when his ill-gotten fortune is in jeopardy? It's because (a) he's not very smart, (b) he's not following his lawyer's advice, and (c) he is still clearly running his own show. Why does Lance keeps Herman as his pet lawyer, despite his established record of non-success? It can't be loyalty, because Lance doesn't do loyalty. It has to be because (IMO) Herman is happy to be Lance's servant, rather than his lawyer.

Since the Posties have snitched, the only valuable information that Lance has is Ferrari--the man who made him. Lance is now going on CN and doing a sociopath's tease: "Will I give you Ferrari, or won't I?" I doubt that will ever happen, but it is the only meaningful card Lance has left to play now that McBruggen is out. There's no master strategy here, just a boy seeking attention in a third-rate theater.

Great post!

 

[86TDFWinner]

The dam wall has broken and Lance is still complaining about leaks.

For a guy who's spent most of his life on a program, Lance needs to quickly get with the program.

He can't, his narcississm and self righteousness won't allow it, nor will his enormous ego, but I agree.

 

[86TDFWinner]

lol.. Great translation of the Armstrongegospeak. Ever the game player, Lance is still crafty and cunning. He has something up his sleeve. And I know he wants to stick it to USADA, and get his ban lifted.

I think you're spot on that he has an agenda against them obviously. He's STILL on the "Greg doped too" soapbox, but offers up no proof that he did, despite offering $300K to anyone who'd say they saw him do it.

The guy just cannot get over himself, and the fact he got busted.

It's been proven that a guy can win clean, multiple times, but he still can't and won't admit that. It's almost as if he has to take everyone else down with him, in order to feel some sort of satisfaction.

The ONLY one who's even questioned LeMond being clean is/are who? The Cancer Jesus/Wonderboy disciples, and that was mostly out of anger/jealousy/envy when their man was getting run through the coles by everyone.


Wonderboys just a sad, pathetic excuse of ma human being, and yet he still thinks he matters for something other than message board laughter.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Originally Posted by ChrisE
Why is it pathetic?

The clinic is meandering around the subject like a square dance competition, in the 'clean' thread and the 'first EPO TdF champion' thread. LA said no more than what is going on in there. You guys are funny with the qualifiers vouching for the cleanliness of the all American superheroes with all of the innuendo in those threads during the years of their careers.

I'll ask you, since you seem to have an issue that there very well is a "Clean TDF winner", please provide any proof that LeMond doped, can you do that please? If Wonderboy couldn't to the tune of $300K, I doubt you can.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Solves the Christmas gift dilemma for a family of six doesn't it.

Yep. Certainly adds to any christmas gift list.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Like Benotti said:



If we had a 'truth and reconciliation' process we wouldn't actually get truth, we'd just get self-serving manipulative nonsense like this from Armstrong.

If we got that at all. IMO, I think Wonderboy wouldn't say anything, offer up anything to a tribunal or a T&R of any kind. It's a shame no one's called him out on it, and created one just to hear/see him squirm. We all know that's what would happen, Cancer Jesus isn't fooling anyone.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

This is the Armstrong thread. Not LeMond, not "who was a clean winner", not Books by Other Riders.......

Any further off-topic postings will be deleted.

Thank you.

 

[86TDFWinner]

This is the Armstrong thread. Not LeMond, not "who was a clean winner", not Books by Other Riders.......

Any further off-topic postings will be deleted.

Thank you.

No problem. BUT, Armstrong continues mentioning LeMond and other riders, how do we not talk about that, but still stay on the topic of Armstrong, when he beings it up himself?

 

[86TDFWinner]

This is the Armstrong thread. Not LeMond, not "who was a clean winner", not Books by Other Riders.......

Any further off-topic postings will be deleted.

Thank you.

No problem. BUT, Armstrong continues mentioning LeMond and other riders, how do we not talk about that, but still stay on the topic of Armstrong, when he brings it up himself? I'm just asking here.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Lance could give Ferrari to the Italians. They've already got a lot of evidence, and he could connect the dots. At least get the scumbag's medical license stripped.

#1 Ferrari is a PhD, not an M.D. He ran experiments in Conconi's IOC-funded EPO program for Italian athletes.

#2 But, we saw how that went in Spain with Fuentes. Like Fuentes, if Ferrari is helping Italy's sports, then few in power want that to end.

 

[thehog]

This is the Armstrong thread. Not LeMond, not "who was a clean winner", not Books by Other Riders.......

Any further off-topic postings will be deleted.

Thank you.

Welcome back

 

[MarkvW]

#1 Ferrari is a PhD, not an M.D. He ran experiments in Conconi's IOC-funded EPO program for Italian athletes.

#2 But, we saw how that went in Spain with Fuentes. Like Fuentes, if Ferrari is helping Italy's sports, then few in power want that to end.

You should recheck your facts. Ferrari was absolved of sporting fraud charges relating to Simeoni's accusations as well as charges of abusing his medical license to write prescriptions. Cycling News, 5/27/06. Wikipedia also has him down for a degree in "Medicine and Surgery" from the University of Parma. His website says the same.

 

[thehog]

You should recheck your facts. Ferrari was absolved of sporting fraud charges relating to Simeoni's accusations as well as charges of abusing his medical license to write prescriptions. Cycling News, 5/27/06. Wikipedia also has him down for a degree in "Medicine and Surgery" from the University of Parma. His website says the same.

The Italian Cycling Federation banned Ferrari for life in 2002. But that could only extend to Italian cyclists.

If a Italian registered cyclist consults with Ferrari they will receive a ban. Likely to be 3 months. See Scarponi, Pozzato.

 

[DirtyWorks]

You should recheck your facts.

corrected: http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=programs.aboutMF

The guy is and has always been on the research side more than running a sports medicine practice. I took that to mean he was a PhD.

Despite the WADA ban, the Italian Medical Board has done nothing because he only recommends training plans.... Nice!

 

[ultimobici]

You should recheck your facts. Ferrari was absolved of sporting fraud charges relating to Simeoni's accusations as well as charges of abusing his medical license to write prescriptions. Cycling News, 5/27/06. Wikipedia also has him down for a degree in "Medicine and Surgery" from the University of Parma. His website says the same.

Absolved? Hardly. He got off on a technicality with the SOL.

 

[MarkvW]

Absolved? Hardly. He got off on a technicality with the SOL.

Whatever. I used the language of the article.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I like the interview. He sounds much more honest than when he had to lie. I even understand him a little bit nowadays. If you start saying "no", yo can´t change that. You´ve got to go with it. TH described it perfectly in his book.

Since i was one of the original LA "haters", i am not going to excuse him for his other actions, like those against the Andreus, Lemond, Simeoni, Anderson, etc.! That was the real foul play.

But in the end of the day, i repeat what i said short after the OW interview. He is more open and truthfully (nowadays) than Ullrich (as you know i am a fanboy of him ) or Zabel ever were. I respect that.

I think my "hate" towards him is going away slowly... i can forgive, but i´ll never forget.

 

[hfer07]

Interview part 2. Armstrong still a C#NT.

I hope CN comes up with 50 parts of it, so the world grasps the kind of C#NT he is, ever at the bottom...

BTW 09 CLEAN? LOL - i mean - podium "clean", but winning tittle had he decided to use the juice? He's just either so delusional or so accustomed to lie that BS keeps coming out naturally...

 

[ChrisE]

I like the interview. He sounds much more honest than when he had to lie. I even understand him a little bit nowadays. If you start saying "no", yo can´t change that. You´ve got to go with it. TH described it perfectly in his book.

Since i was one of the original LA "haters", i am not going to excuse him for his other actions, like those against the Andreus, Lemond, Simeoni, Anderson, etc.! That was the real foul play.

But in the end of the day, i repeat what i said short after the OW interview. He is more open and truthfully (nowadays) than Ullrich (as you know i am a fanboy of him ) or Zabel ever were. I respect that.

I think my "hate" towards him is going away slowly... i can forgive, but i´ll never forget.

Sounds like you need to be waterboarded by Benottie, FF, and DW.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Sounds like you need to be waterboarded by Benottie, FF, and DW.

I guess so.

 

[pmcg76]

I like the interview. He sounds much more honest than when he had to lie. I even understand him a little bit nowadays. If you start saying "no", yo can´t change that. You´ve got to go with it. TH described it perfectly in his book.

Since i was one of the original LA "haters", i am not going to excuse him for his other actions, like those against the Andreus, Lemond, Simeoni, Anderson, etc.! That was the real foul play.

But in the end of the day, i repeat what i said short after the OW interview. He is more open and truthfully (nowadays) than Ullrich (as you know i am a fanboy of him ) or Zabel ever were. I respect that.

I think my "hate" towards him is going away slowly... i can forgive, but i´ll never forget.

I actually agree on this, he definitely has an agenda and is controlling the message but then what doper didn't have an agenda of some sort.

I never hated Armstrong for the doping, it was so common why pick on one guy. It was all the other stuff, in particular I took offence at the blatant pimping of cancer as his defence mechanism and how it could make him rich. Just could never understand how someone could be so cynical. I am just happy he was outed for the fraud he is(as a human being that is).

Likewise if JV really is playing the anti-doping angle as a charade, he will rank lower on the scale than Armstrong.

 

[ChrisE]

I actually agree on this, he definitely has an agenda and is controlling the message but then what doper didn't have an agenda of some sort.

I never hated Armstrong for the doping, it was so common why pick on one guy. It was all the other stuff, in particular I took offence at the blatant pimping of cancer as his defence mechanism and how it could make him rich. Just could never understand how someone could be so cynical. I am just happy he was outed for the fraud he is(as a human being that is).

Likewise if JV really is playing the anti-doping angle as a charade, he will rank lower on the scale than Armstrong.

You really think that?

One used cancer to shield himself from criticism and publicly lied under big media scrutiny about his PED use and under oath in SCA, and publicly attacked others. The other just spouts anti-doping and runs a cycling team.

Me thinks you need to re-compute.