Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[sittingbison]

On a more important topic...
How about Tame Impala?! Second best thing to come from Perth, WA.

correctomundo

the best thing to come from Perth?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Squatting Bull Pucky:

You seem to keep missing this from Frankie Andreu:

"I'm just as guilty as some of the others. Even though I didn't do near as much as a lot of the other guys did, which is a crazy amount of PEDs. If you go in and rob a bank for a nickel or you go in and rob a bank for a million dollars with grenades and firearms and you kill people, you're still both bank robbers. It's just one person did it to the extreme. But you're both still considered bank robbers," Andreu said.

I don't think he missed anything.

 

[42x16ss]

On a more important topic...
How about Tame Impala?! Second best thing to come from Perth, WA.

Bon Scott came from Fremantle, not (quite) Perth, so does that move Tame Impala up to number 1?

 

[sittingbison]

ok enough of reminiscing with texpat over in NZ, lets get back to Lance

 

[Scott SoCal]

Dirty Dog? Oh, he's a top dude. Stand up clean cut all American boy.
Dumb as a stump.

Kinda explains much. How smart is Lance? Slightly smarter than George.

 

[TexPat]

correctomundo

the best thing to come from Perth?

I was attempting to flatter you, Oh, Fearless Moderator, who is the finest to have ever emerged from the most remote city on the planet.

But, this Lance Gundernuts guy...
Who gives a toss?
Pedal your damn bikes gents.
Flail.
Suffer.
Heave.
Do it rhythmically.
But forget about the nasties.
Every new post makes the Born Loser a wee bit stronger.
Move on.
Stuff him.
Never forget, of course. Qui tam will sort his larcenous act.

I'm going to ride my bike now. I'll stop for some beer on the way. It's Friday night in New Zealand.

Love,
AnderSatan the Man Who Know Longer Feels the Weight of One Leaden Ball on His Humble Head.

P. S. Close this thread. It's sucking you dry.

 

[Berzin]

Awesome.

So the thread gets locked down with a statement that it will be reopened with some new rules for going forward.

Some posts are deleted (at least one of mine was).

The thread is reopened (with no new rules that I can spot, or the reason for the lock down).

The EXACT same arguments over which arguments should argued are then presented in the same argumentative fashion.

And the only thing "new" that seems to have occurred is the following (perhaps in a slightly different order).

Glad we had to wait for that.

Once I re-opened the thread I had to go and do something. Sometimes real life takes precedence.

Here is the announcement-

1) Keep this thread Armstrong-related. Anything off-topic will be deleted.

2) If you decide to argue with each other and take the thread off-topic, posts will be deleted and offending members will receive a ban.

3) Stop feeding the trolls, yet again. The ones who've engaged in this with the latest troll had their posts deleted. Nothing personal, just wanted to clean up the thread.

4) Anyone going at each other-take your off-topic aggression to PM. No place for this on this thread.

No more warnings.

There is a place on the forum to vent your frustrations over this and anything else.

You know where it is. It will not be tolerated here.

 

[TheGame]

4) Anyone going at each other-take your off-topic aggression to PM. No place for this on this thread.

Is sending aggressive PM's not against the Forum terms and conditions?

 

[Netserk]

Is sending aggressive PM's not against the Forum terms and conditions?

methinks he would rather delete your post than answer it

 

[Benotti69]

a review about the Armstrong lie,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/another-enormous-con-job-29992667.html

pretty spot on about Armstrong and the films failings.

 

[86TDFWinner]

a review about the Armstrong lie,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/another-enormous-con-job-29992667.html

pretty spot on about Armstrong and the films failings.

Yep. Wonderboy is a master of the con job, his whole entire career is based on one huge con job, his riches, everything. He lies, to cover up previous lies, and then repeats it over and over. I can't believe there are still those who don't find what he did to be wrong. I hope he loses many $$'s in this Qui Tam case.

He still thinks what he has to say is relevant, it's amazing to me he's still so arrogant, and narcissistic.

 

[kingjr]

Yep. Wonderboy is a master of the con job, his whole entire career is based on one huge con job, his riches, everything. He lies, to cover up previous lies, and then repeats it over and over. I can't believe there are still those who don't find what he did to be wrong. I hope he loses many $$'s in this Qui Tam case.

He still thinks what he has to say is relevant, it's amazing to me he's still so arrogant, and narcissistic.

I don't think one can just stop being narcissistic.

 

[RownhamHill]

a review about the Armstrong lie,

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/another-enormous-con-job-29992667.html

pretty spot on about Armstrong and the films failings.

That's a pretty epic last couple of paragraphs in that review. Not sure he liked it much.

 

[Archibald]

That's a pretty epic last couple of paragraphs in that review. Not sure he liked it much.

not wrong - a real "tell us what you really think" moment!!

 

[IzzyStradlin]

It's a pretty shameful statement from someone whose nation has produced the likes of Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan and Jack Nicklaus, men who were as dignified off the field as on it.

The same Jordan that bullied teammates over gambling, wouldn't pay his own debts and physically assaulted teammates?

The one that covered up a gambling suspension by switching sports for a year, very publicly cheated on his first wife, almost bullied a teenage Kwame Brown out of the sport and that lives in a weird exile as the owner of the worst team in all of the NBA?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1206971/index.htm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chiding-Michael-Jordan?urn=nba-226947

Jordan Belfort's saving grace was that he knew he was a blackguard.

Also take issue was this, Belfort has made millions as a sales consultant after release from prison. The only thing he has ever sold is bulls#!t.

The main issue I see is the way the media deifies sports figures, as a testament to hard work and dedication, loyalty etc etc.

Athletes get to be who they are because they are good at one thing. Armstrong was fast on a bike, Jordan good at basketball, Tiger Woods at golf. They were good enough to use their talent to hide their personal flaws.

Sure there are good people that play pro sports, and also very bad ones. Problem is, it doesn't matter much if you are good or bad, only that you win.

Pro sports is not the place to look for role models.

 

[Benotti69]

The same Jordan that bullied teammates over gambling, wouldn't pay his own debts and physically assaulted teammates?

The one that covered up a gambling suspension by switching sports for a year, very publicly cheated on his first wife, almost bullied a teenage Kwame Brown out of the sport and that lives in a weird exile as the owner of the worst team in all of the NBA?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1206971/index.htm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chiding-Michael-Jordan?urn=nba-226947


Also take issue was this, Belfort has made millions as a sales consultant after release from prison. The only thing he has ever sold is bulls#!t.

The main issue I see is the way the media deifies sports figures, as a testament to hard work and dedication, loyalty etc etc.

Athletes get to be who they are because they are good at one thing. Armstrong was fast on a bike, Jordan good at basketball, Tiger Woods at golf. They were good enough to use their talent to hide their personal flaws.

Sure there are good people that play pro sports, and also very bad ones. Problem is, it doesn't matter much if you are good or bad, only that you win.

Pro sports is not the place to look for role models.

I wouldn't compare Armstrong to Jordan or Woods. Armstrong was the fastest on a bike because of dope. Woods has the talent required to play golf, his doping may help him hit the ball further but but the control of the ball is a required talent. Jordan was similar.

 

[blackcat]

The same Jordan that bullied teammates over gambling, wouldn't pay his own debts and physically assaulted teammates?

The one that covered up a gambling suspension by switching sports for a year, very publicly cheated on his first wife, almost bullied a teenage Kwame Brown out of the sport and that lives in a weird exile as the owner of the worst team in all of the NBA?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1206971/index.htm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chiding-Michael-Jordan?urn=nba-226947


Also take issue was this, Belfort has made millions as a sales consultant after release from prison. The only thing he has ever sold is bulls#!t.

The main issue I see is the way the media deifies sports figures, as a testament to hard work and dedication, loyalty etc etc.

Athletes get to be who they are because they are good at one thing. Armstrong was fast on a bike, Jordan good at basketball, Tiger Woods at golf. They were good enough to use their talent to hide their personal flaws.

Sure there are good people that play pro sports, and also very bad ones. Problem is, it doesn't matter much if you are good or bad, only that you win.

Pro sports is not the place to look for role models.

jordan was on roids too.

see the Tarheel body. Then see the traps and shoulders and the triceps.

yes, you can get that naturally. But if you need to train and do the fine neuromuscular cordination repititions on the parquet, every day, you cant afford to lift with enough resistance that your arms and shoulders are not 100% fresh everyday. Lift heavyish offseason, and very light recovery sessions in season.

therefore, = doped. And I assumed at one time, David Robinson got those triceps just through the gym, and really small muscle insertions which give the perception of popeye separation and definition.

 

[blackcat]

I wouldn't compare Armstrong to Jordan or Woods. Armstrong was the fastest on a bike because of dope. Woods has the talent required to play golf, his doping may help him hit the ball further but but the control of the ball is a required talent. Jordan was similar.

Armstrong would have always won one-day races. And all the one-day riders have been jacked.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

I wouldn't compare Armstrong to Jordan or Woods. Armstrong was the fastest on a bike because of dope. Woods has the talent required to play golf, his doping may help him hit the ball further but but the control of the ball is a required talent. Jordan was similar.

All 3 are obsessively competitive.

All 3 also had a certain company turn that obsession into a myth. And the myth into big $$$. So the myth had to be maintained at any cost.

 

[Benotti69]

All 3 were obsessively competitive.

All 3 also had a certain company turn that obsession into a myth. And the myth into big $$$. So the myth had to be maintained at any cost.

agree.

But the other 2 had buckets more talent than Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong would have always won one-day races. And all the one-day riders have been jacked.

He would've won a few. Would he have been a big monuments winner? I dont think so.

 

[blackcat]

He would've won a few. Would he have been a big monuments winner? I dont think so.

san remo, lombardia, san sebastian, flanders, amstel, and maybe pending the day, fleche or liege. I dont know how Armstrong rode those ramps like Rebellin and Bettini, and if he could have dropped a few kg from his chest, and had more puncheur lithe phsique, not a chrono one.

why, how we forger Bettini on this board. He really escapes it. But we just take it as given, like Rebellin, Kirchen et al...

 

[MarkvW]

san remo, lombardia, san sebastian, flanders, amstel, and maybe pending the day, fleche or liege. I dont know how Armstrong rode those ramps like Rebellin and Bettini, and if he could have dropped a few kg from his chest, and had more puncheur lithe phsique, not a chrono one.

why, how we forger Bettini on this board. He really escapes it. But we just take it as given, like Rebellin, Kirchen et al...

But the Cricket's only objection was to the invasion of his rights!

 

[MarkvW]

agree.

But the other 2 had buckets more talent than Armstrong.

Apples and oranges--and vastly different regulatory schemes.

 

[Benotti69]

Apples and oranges--and vastly different regulatory schemes.

I am not the one trying sell a fruit stall.

Yes apples and oranges, but Armstrong was not a LeMond, unlike Woods and Jordan are in their respective sports.