Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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BroDeal said:
Now you are using RR's favorite ploy, twisting words to meet preconceived expectations that support existing biases. People don't like to hear the Armstrong affair is more sordid and complex on the part of all sides instead of the Manichaeistic narrative promoted here. It is a simple view of the world favored by Americans. Systemic problems are blamed on individuals. Befuddlement ensues after the evildoer is removed and the the next in line, a product of the same environment, proves to be no different.
Everything Armstrong did has been recast to buttress the tale of a master manipulator. Take, for example, discussions at Motorola about EPO use. While Armstrong's position was solid evidence of his own drug use, it is a contortion to portray this as Armstrong pushing people into drug use. The talk at Motorola was not remarkable. As EPO use transitioned from a few individuals to entire teams, the same conversations that took place between Motorola riders happened at every team. The decisions to use EPO were not made by each rider cloistered with his only his own thoughts to guide him. They were made with input from teammates, staff, and friends in the peloton, all concerned for their jobs.

Armstrong is a realist. There were riders he used to be able knuckle down in the saddle and drop at will on small hills. As EPO spread, the same riders could cause him to red line on false flat as he struggled to hold their wheels. Since the drug was undetectable and the UCI had never shown an inclination to fight doping anyway, he instinctively knew this was the future. There was no stopping it.

The riders at Motorolo collectively decided to use EPO. More than just Armstrong argued for the realist view, and no one could make a convincing argument for how the team could survive without its use. In fact, one of the primary motivations that underlay the group decision for everyone to use during the 1995 Tour was quite mundane. Motorola was a comfortable, English speaking oasis in a European sport. Riders liked it there and were not enthused about moving to teams with a different culture if Motorola folded because of a lack of results. Armstrong himself was confident in his own ability to succeed if he was using the same tools as everyone else, but he wanted the team to stay together because of loyalty to his teammates even though by that time he considered himself a seasoned European pro and would likely be seeking a bigger contract from another team.

This may mean nothing to you, but this post has my unreserved approval thrice over. Excellent!

I think the system is the same, however the marketing of the sport has changed. Armstrong was the role model for the racing cyclist, the guy who had a good job and could afford the expensive road/TT bike complete with SMR cranks. Then the sports science training to match. Where as Froome is to appeal to the everyman. The tourist, commuter, the keep fit guy/gal who want to participate in charity rides, (on electric bikes :)) Hence the election of Cookson as president. He is former Cycling Tourist Club - the CTC in the UK.
 
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Jack Ruby said:
1. Swart
2. Andreus
3. The French
4. USADA in general
5. Novitzky
6. Tygart
7. Mike Anderson
8. Emma O'Reilly
9. David Walsh

Jack Ruby said:
10 Landis
11 Lemond
12 Hamilton
And there you have it, apparently.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Clinic Twelve!
 
May 27, 2012
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horsinabout said:
This may mean nothing to you, but this post has my unreserved approval thrice over. Excellent!

I think the system is the same, however the marketing of the sport has changed. Armstrong was the role model for the racing cyclist, the guy who had a good job and could afford the expensive road/TT bike complete with SMR cranks. Then the sports science training to match. Where as Froome is to appeal to the everyman. The tourist, commuter, the keep fit guy/gal who want to participate in charity rides, (on electric bikes :)) Hence the election of Cookson as president. He is former Cycling Tourist Club - the CTC in the UK.

Ridiculous response. To suggest that Armstrong is merely a rank and file individual in the scheme of doping in which he took part, and provided to others, is so ludicrous as to make one wonder if your faculties have been compromised.

Also note that I don't think anyone here believes that cycling would be cleaned up by, nor was cleaned up by Lance getting his just deserts. This argument is merely a dishonest tactic to dismiss those opposing an unjustifiable position.

Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.
 
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horsinabout said:
This may mean nothing to you, but this post has my unreserved approval thrice over. Excellent!

I think the system is the same, however the marketing of the sport has changed. Armstrong was the role model for the racing cyclist, the guy who had a good job and could afford the expensive road/TT bike complete with SMR cranks. Then the sports science training to match. Where as Froome is to appeal to the everyman. The tourist, commuter, the keep fit guy/gal who want to participate in charity rides, (on electric bikes :)) Hence the election of Cookson as president. He is former Cycling Tourist Club - the CTC in the UK.

The comment that is completely wrong:

Everything Armstrong did has been recast to buttress the tale of a master manipulator. Take, for example, discussions at Motorola about EPO use. While Armstrong's position was solid evidence of his own drug use, it is a contortion to portray this as Armstrong pushing people into drug use. The talk at Motorola was not remarkable.

He absolutely instigated the program and did this. People were pressured to be on program even if they did not need to be to preserve the mutual risk. No contorting necessary to make that assertion.
 
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Oldman said:
The comment that is completely wrong:

Everything Armstrong did has been recast to buttress the tale of a master manipulator. Take, for example, discussions at Motorola about EPO use. While Armstrong's position was solid evidence of his own drug use, it is a contortion to portray this as Armstrong pushing people into drug use. The talk at Motorola was not remarkable.

He absolutely instigated the program and did this. People were pressured to be on program even if they did not need to be to preserve the mutual risk. No contorting necessary to make that assertion.

Levi is starting a new team tentatively called "Sycophant Bottle Carriers-R-Us." He's recruiting on another thread. Fertile ground.
 
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Honestly, I'm happy to see the return of Armstrong fanboys. My life was starting to feel empty and purposeless...
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
Ridiculous response. To suggest that Armstrong is merely a rank and file individual in the scheme of doping in which he took part, and provided to others, is so ludicrous as to make one wonder if your faculties have been compromised.

Also note that I don't think anyone here believes that cycling would be cleaned up by, nor was cleaned up by Lance getting his just deserts. This argument is merely a dishonest tactic to dismiss those opposing an unjustifiable position.

Try Again. Fail again. Fail better.

After years of Wonderboy telling the world he was the King of the Road, Big Tex, Le Petron......now he is reduced to pretending he was "Just a rider"

People believed the big lie before why not try again?
 
Dec 7, 2010
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Race Radio said:
After years of Wonderboy telling the world he was the King of the Road, Big Tex, Le Petron......now he is reduced to pretending he was "Just a rider"

People believed the big lie before why not try again?
Now it's the "little lie" approach. The small man, just a cog in a machine.

I believe the quote was:
"I didn't live a lot of lies. But I did live one small one. It's different, I guess. Maybe not."
 
May 27, 2012
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Race Radio said:
After years of Wonderboy telling the world he was the King of the Road, Big Tex, Le Petron......now he is reduced to pretending he was "Just a rider"

People believed the big lie before why not try again?

Sorry man, I can't answer to this because I am not supposed to post anything until after you do. Would you check with Daniel and see if he can post dated TUE exemption for this post?
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
Sorry man, I can't answer to this because I am not supposed to post anything until after you do. Would you check with Daniel and see if he can post dated TUE exemption for this post?

For a request like this I am going straight to the top....Greg LeMond!
 
Aug 9, 2010
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Granville57 said:
Get what? A frying pan to the back of the head...with curlers still in your hair? :p

I could whack him with one of my fuzzy slippers…

pretty sure Betsy has one of those aprons to put over the size XL bathrobe ..comes in handy when you are emptying containers of KFC in front of the tv







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mewmewmew13 said:
I could whack him with one of my fuzzy slippers…

pretty sure Betsy has one of those aprons to put over the size XL bathrobe

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Just to alert the mods, the above is not, I repeat NOT, a true nor accurate depiction of mewmewmew13. :rolleyes:
 
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Granville57 said:
Now it's the "little lie" approach. The small man, just a cog in a machine.

I believe the quote was:
"I didn't live a lot of lies. But I did live one small one. It's different, I guess. Maybe not."

No. It was more like this-

I didn't live a lot of lies. But I did live one big one.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
Honestly, I'm happy to see the return of Armstrong fanboys. My life was starting to feel empty and purposeless...

Go away for a couple of days, and then there is an avalanche.

Foreshadowing, of course.

When the fanboys come out in force, it is the strongest confirmation that there is good news on the horizon. Really big, and really good.

Lance is hoist by his own petard. Again.

Dave.
 
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I'm wondering if we will hear some news of settlement tomorrow..
thinking about the SCA biz…

any word on how/when the qui Tam is progressing? :confused:
 
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mewmewmew13 said:
I'm wondering if we will hear some news of settlement tomorrow..
thinking about the SCA biz…

any word on how/when the qui Tam is progressing? :confused:

Wait til Tuesday. Always Tuesday.
 
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The back of Juliet Macur's new book.

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Classic spin once again. What about guys like Mark Scanlon? I remember watching him busting his *** in the gruppetto in 2004. He had his career robbed by the doping culture.
 
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gooner said:
What about guys like Mark Scanlon? I remember watching him busting his *** in the gruppetto in 2004. He had his career robbed by the doping culture.

I know exactly nothing about Mr. Scanlon, but BroDeal would have you believe it was Scanlon's fault for not making the watts. Perfectly circular logic.
 
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gooner said:
The back of Juliet Macur's new book.

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Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. True colors shining through there. If there is anyone who can possibly support lance after reading that they are, in his own words, f***ing dumb.
 

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