Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[elizab]

A housewife hero is something to be .... and a boon for frame rate.

Hey Alpe, carry to come from behind your cloak of anonymity so the next time I'm talking to a major news outlet I can give an example of a typical condescending jab of a stay-at-home mom because I refused to be a doormat to a powerful and corrupt athlete? You're the typical Lance groupie. Be proud.

You must like weak women. let them hang with you.

 

[Oldman]

Hey Alpe, carry to come from behind your cloak of anonymity so the next time I'm talking to a major news outlet I can give an example of a typical condescending jab of a stay-at-home mom because I refused to be a doormat to a powerful and corrupt athlete? You're the typical Lance groupie. Be proud.

You must like weak women. let them hang with you

It's safe to say that much, like their "racing" knowledge; is from the virtual world. They may not actually have that experience yet.

 

[Benotti69]

Isn't his point moot. IMHO, I don't think that the Lance Armstrong story draws much public attention. I mean his interview with Oprah was on the Oprah channel, which isn't a exactly a popular channel. He doesn't even get put on the front page anymore. So, I kind of doubt that his story gets people to buy newspapers or stop from changing the channel. There has been a series of books written about the ordeal but lets be honest they don't sell that well. Road racing is a fringe sport. All that being said, if someone is making money doing an interview or writing a book, it is because the public is interested in their story. Money needs to be made for people to put their time and energy into putting a story together for the media. CNN was built on coverage of the first Iraq war. People wanted to know what was going on and about the smart bombs and all that. Coverage of anything doesn't exist without someone getting compensated for their time. You want uncompensated coverage, go read forums and amateur blogs. You will be sifting through a mountain of unorganized garbage and unverified facts and flat out lies put out by Livestrong interns before you even get a hint of what went on.

His point was an accusation of people making millions from Armstrong's takedown! I doubt if we added up all those books about his doping, the documentaries, the talks etc they would amount to 1/20 of what Armstrong cheated the sport out of.

I also think Betsy has not earned any money from Armstrong's fall! I dont see Betsy's book, Betsy's daytime talk show, Betsy merchandise, etc etc

This attack on Betsy is way out of order.

 

[elizab]

Back in the day when the myth was in full swing, Wonderboy relied on the majority of journalists who were all too eager to print his talking points and get his message out. He had little respect for Joe Blow who touted him or wanted a piece of him - unless Mr. Blow had money and wielded influence.

He can no longer rely on credible journalists to print his lies and deceit so he's resorted to having the people he once viewed with contempt - the hangers on, the super fans who bolster their self esteem by having his ear - be the people he relies on in his feeble attempt to rewrite history. Carry on guys; it's a bad reflection on you.

 

[hfer07]

She points out Trek milked the groupies then walked as soon as it got hot. This is very true. The foundation did the same. Livestrong wants to pretend he is not their problem. He is. They were integral in creating and protecting the myth, it is disingenuous of them to pretend differently now that the truth is known.

Lance still has a core group of followers who will give money to whatever cause he tells them to give to. It is inevitable he will start another foundation.....but why should he when Livestrong is still there?

There is also the added value that his return to Livestrong would cause some of the more hypocritical folks at the foundation to go nuts, the entertainment value of that alone is worth it

I fully agree on the bold segments you wrote- spot on. What I interpreted from Wendy Chiojli's article is more of a double standard on her behalf, because while she articulates well how fast the sponsors pulled out & betrayed him, she forgets the "why" & how those corporation's actions against him are actually inherited in his personality too -So she sets aside the overall damage caused by his legacy and rather advocates for him to retain certain image value ( by keep BS'ing people like her with false hope) & come back to support a cancer community that he failed miserably in the first place-thus many people who got caught up in the scam & helped the foundation & him to amass wealth at the expense of the suffering of others wouldn't feel more used & exploited as she indirectly acknowledges....

That's why I ask what was her point...

 

[DirtyWorks]

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I also think Betsy has not earned any money from Armstrong's fall! I dont see Betsy's book, Betsy's daytime talk show, Betsy merchandise, etc etc

Pfft! You haven't been reading your Andreau Strategies emails then.. I've got one of each on order. I'm excited about the leather jacket.

This attack on Betsy is way out of order.

Yes, and always seems to accompany changes some do not want.

But, this is where the Wonderboy faithful stomp around comparing Wonderboy's treatment with Betsy's in this forum and imagine themselves subject to a double standard. Victims! Blah. Blah. Blah.

 

[Race Radio]

I just read a study about people who fail to pick up on sarcasm, its believed to be an early sign of dementia.

Clearly neither the Hitch, nor I, nor most of the people here see any sarcasm in ascribing LeMond's words, USADA's sanctions, or Walsh's writing to Betsy. It is clear the rambling babble about Andreu Strategies, haters, and Housewifes is not for the sake of comedy but for conflict.

Since you are a fan of studies

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt..._machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

 

[DirtyWorks]

Isn't his point moot. IMHO, I don't think that the Lance Armstrong story draws much public attention. I mean his interview with Oprah was on the Oprah channel, which isn't a exactly a popular channel.

But, most major media outlets ran something on the interview. So, he attracts an audience. It's definitely not the same and probably declining, but hey, it might be enough for some.

Without a doubt, road racing is a fringe sport. Andreau Strategies is going to change that.

 

[the sceptic]

Back in the day when the myth was in full swing, Wonderboy relied on the majority of journalists who were all too eager to print his talking points and get his message out. He had little respect for Joe Blow who touted him or wanted a piece of him - unless Mr. Blow had money and wielded influence.

He can no longer rely on credible journalists to print his lies and deceit so he's resorted to having the people he once viewed with contempt - the hangers on, the super fans who bolster their self esteem by having his ear - be the people he relies on in his feeble attempt to rewrite history. Carry on guys; it's a bad reflection on you.

You really think Lance has convinced a bunch of clinic posters to keep his PR campaign going? That seems rather paranoid.

 

[DirtyWorks]

You really think Lance has convinced a bunch of clinic posters to keep his PR campaign going? That seems rather paranoid.

IMO, there are the faithful regardless of his status as a fraud that just want to believe.

We know Wonderboy is still trying to modify his public opinion with interviews and whatnot.

The two benefit from each other and that's kind of all he's got left.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Yes, but he's got to tranform in order to do that. You saw his part in Dodgeball? The guy can't act to save his life. He was given a semi-structured stage with Doprah and blew that too. Unless lightning strikes the guy and changes his brain it's not happening.
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Merckx index, save your energy. If we're lucky the LAF scam will get off the ground and we'll have new fun stuff to take apart.

I don't wish bad things for Wonderboy. He needs to just go quiet and raise the kids as King of the Austin bikepath or whatever. But, we know that's not happening.
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I already get the Andreau PR Strategy emails telling me exactly what message I need to post. I can't believe I missed building the Clean Sport Media empire! #!%#%* That's what I thought I was signing up for!!!

BroDeal, as an Andreau Strategies minion I have a confession. It's like a Landis tell-all, only not at all. But I need to get paid. PM me for details.

Is the bolded just a joke or are you receiving emails on what to post?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

The goal is simple, to provoke conflict.

Ascribing others actions to Betsy and painting her as the leader of some financial lucrative organization is designed to provoke conflict. When some of the more prolific contributors to this thread heckle others for posting here their goal is transparent, to provoke conflict.

Did Digger or BroDeal actually say it was a financially lucrative organization?

 

[Bluenote]

Is the bolded just a joke or are you receiving emails on what to post?

Its a joke. Some on here were accused of being schills for "Andreu Strategies." That accusation is being treated how it deserves to be - by being freaking laughed at.

 

[thehog]

Did Digger or BroDeal actually say it was a financially lucrative organization?

I noted the same. This point was made by another poster in jest but it was latched onto to, you know, to cause conflict.

Neither BroDigg said as much but there it is, the new talking point, set in stone forever more.

I find it disappointing that there is little effort to read Bro or Digger's posts and take in what is being said and respond in kind. People may not agree but at least read it and respond why you disagree.

 

[Oldman]

Back in the day when the myth was in full swing, Wonderboy relied on the majority of journalists who were all too eager to print his talking points and get his message out. He had little respect for Joe Blow who touted him or wanted a piece of him - unless Mr. Blow had money and wielded influence.

He can no longer rely on credible journalists to print his lies and deceit so he's resorted to having the people he once viewed with contempt - the hangers on, the super fans who bolster their self esteem by having his ear - be the people he relies on in his feeble attempt to rewrite history. Carry on guys; it's a bad reflection on you.

There are still people eager to ride and pose for pictures with him so some "dream" still lives.

 

[Oldman]

I noted the same. This point was made by another poster in jest but it was latched onto to, you know, to cause conflict.

Neither BroDigg said as much but there it is, the new talking point, set in stone forever more.

I find it disappointing that there is little effort to read Bro or Digger's posts and take in what is being said and respond in kind. People may not agree but at least read it and respond why you disagree.

I've always though Bro's posts were semi-satirical anyway. Stirs the pot.

 

[May0maniac]

Wonderboy checking out what his old buddy is doing

 

[elizab]

Glenn, I've gone from being portrayed as a bitter, jealous, fat, unhinged, psycho nutjob obsessed with bringing lance down to being portrayed as a paranoid nutjob with insinuations about me/us that are simply not true. Hence, the joke "Andreu Strategies" where I employ those who are frankly happy I stood up to the bully and have been publicly disgusted with PEDs I see in cycling.

If anyone has time to go back to whenever these forums started and get all those wonderful posts on me being psycho, I'd greatly appreciate it.

And sceptic, I know for a fact that your boy has had people go after me on social media. Of course, you label it paranoia; I state it fact from what I've seen and been told. He's really stupid to leave a "paper" trail in the internet.

 

[Race Radio]

Wonderboy checking out what his old buddy is doing

In the latest CNN interview

There is a sense that Armstrong is trying to rebuild his tattered reputation.....

.... he is adamant it is not part of a premeditated damage-control offensive.

"I know at times it looks like it, but there's no PR campaign,".....

"There's not a big study room where we're bouncing off ideas saying, 'Let's do Esquire, let's talk to Matt at CNN.' I'm just flying by the seat of my pants."

 

[the sceptic]

Are you sure it isnt just some random person taking a picture of Lance?

"Lance watches bike race" doesnt seem like a great PR campaign.

 

[Race Radio]

Are you sure it isnt just some random person taking a picture of Lance?

"Lance watches bike race" doesnt seem like a great PR campaign.

It is from Liz Kreutz

https://twitter.com/LizKreutz/status/501645603424985088

Talented photographer.

http://www.elizabethkreutz.com/

 

[Energy Starr]

It is from Liz Kreutz

https://twitter.com/LizKreutz/status/501645603424985088

Talented photographer.

http://www.elizabethkreutz.com/

How can he afford a personal photog? Doesn't dude have other ways to spend his money these days?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Are you sure it isnt just some random person taking a picture of Lance?

"Lance watches bike race" doesnt seem like a great PR campaign.

That shot screams, "posed".

Terrible shot too. Ick.

 

[MarkvW]

How can he afford a personal photog? Doesn't dude have other ways to spend his money these days?

Lance is loaded. That's why the Feds and SCA are suing him. He might as well blow the money on fun, self-promotional, narcissistic stuff, rather than preserving it for his judgment creditors.

 

[Bosco10]

That shot screams, "posed".

Terrible shot too. Ick.

lol.. I was thinking the same. Almost looks like he was photoshopped in.