Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[MacRoadie]

When you have the evidence that she was paid as part of a personal trip for Armstrong then show it.

Don't know that it's "evidence", but it sure is interesting:

Of the 17 photos posted to Liz Kreutz' twitter page between August 16 and August 18 (the three days PRIOR to the race start), 13 either have Armstrong in them and/or tag @lancearmstrong.

https://twitter.com/LizKreutz

I happen to know several photographers at the race, and while they too arrived several days early, for introductions, press conferences, etc., I don't see such a single-minded effort to document the movements of any one person, especially one who isn't even competing in the event...

 

[Scott SoCal]

Sometimes the original point gets lost, I was commenting on somebody praising her as being a champion for clean cycling blah blah blah. I stated my opinion otherwise. To your first question, yes, something like that happened.

Well, no, Travis was a champion at bringing down Lance.

 

[thehog]

Do you really think that Photogs at races are paid by the organizers, or are you just making that up? The only person on that Moto being paid by race organizers is the driver.

Of course the fact that she showed up 4 days before the race to shoot an event put on by lance's current girlfriend, lives in Austin, Shot lance's first comeback book. etc. is just a coincidence.

Again. If you're going to fire the first shot and make the accusation then back it up. Please show she was on a personal trip of Lance Armstrong. You can't. You made it up because it fits your story.

I guess the irony in all of this is you rage a campaign that Lance is smearing people and what do you engage in with myself? You smear me falsely accusing me of taking direction from Armstrong. Can you not see that you're replicating the same behavior?

So, I think the good thing to do would be to withdraw that remark and we move on. Yes?

 

[kingjr]

Similarly to falsely accusing me of receiving direct messages from Armstrong.

You smear me falsely accusing me of taking direction from Armstrong.

Spot the difference.

 

[JRTinMA]

Well, no, Travis was a champion at bringing down Lance.

Lance brought down Lance. Travis just collected the stories and drove the nail.

 

[Race Radio]

Well...she ain't gonna fly up there for free. I doubt that a bike race would fork over the expenses for an out of state photographer when Colorado has more than its share of good photographers. And somebody's likely paying her... Lance is the best guess, since he's like a brother to her--and he's paid her in the past.

The unsupported statement was left out there like bait, and you went for it. Chalk it up to experience and move on.

Normal process for moto Photogs is they is not paid by the organizers but make money by selling their pic via an agency.

tim de waele is there right now, he has his own agency
http://www.tdwsport.com/

Casey Gibson is also there
http://www.cbgphoto.com/

They make their money in a few different ways. Selling pics to media like Cyclingnews, Velonews, etc. Increasingly it is popular for various brands to get in race pics of their product. Tim is the go to guy for this, very profession.

Liz also has done this in-race product photography......for Lance

I always thought this Manuel for Speed piece on their fight to get on a moto in a race was funny
http://www.manualforspeed.com/pro-tour/dubai-tour-stage-02/

they are going to be ****ed to hear someone who has not shot a Pro bike race for 4 years got on the moto, but it is Medalist Sports..... it helps if you know someone.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Spot the difference.

Good post, kingjr

 

[Scott SoCal]

Lance brought down Lance. Travis just collected the stories and drove the nail.

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[Race Radio]

Don't know that it's "evidence", but it sure is interesting:

Of the 17 photos posted to Liz Kreutz' twitter page between August 16 and August 18 (the three days PRIOR to the race start), 13 either have Armstrong in them and/or tag @lancearmstrong.

https://twitter.com/LizKreutz

I happen to know several photographers at the race, and while they too arrived several days early, for introductions, press conferences, etc., I don't see such a single-minded effort to document the movements of any one person, especially one who isn't even competing in the event...

Surely just a coincidence. They bumped into each other in the parking lot

 

[thehog]

Don't know that it's "evidence", but it sure is interesting:

Of the 17 photos posted to Liz Kreutz' twitter page between August 16 and August 18 (the three days PRIOR to the race start), 13 either have Armstrong in them and/or tag @lancearmstrong.

https://twitter.com/LizKreutz

I happen to know several photographers at the race, and while they too arrived several days early, for introductions, press conferences, etc., I don't see such a single-minded effort to document the movements of any one person, especially one who isn't even competing in the event...

Thanks. Still not seeing the evidence that she was paid by Armstrong.

Where do I find it in your links?

 

[sittingbison]

Gentle(wo)men,
read this clearly and comprehend it.

The trolling and baiting is out of hand. Stop it now or you are out of here. Think long and hard before hitting the "sub,it" button

Clear enough?

cheers
bison

PS rather than closing the thread for maintanence, it remains open. But I will be deleting certain lines of "conversation" that are in flagrant violation of acceptable behaviour

 

[Race Radio]

Spot the difference.

Good post King.....note I never said he got a DM from Armstrong, Hog just invented that.

funny how a few months ago, when the same handful of folks were smearing Betsy and Frankie with nonsense, Hog was on here bragging about how he had just received some inside info from someone very close to the story blah blah. Guess his inside source dried up.....or it was made up

 

[MarkvW]

Lance brought down Lance. Travis just collected the stories and drove the nail.

Floyd, Novitsky and the power of the USA brought Lance down.

 

[thehog]

Floyd, Novitsky and the power of the USA brought Lance down.

That I agree with. But I'd add that USADA only got the power because they had a Fed you could cross reference the previous testimony.

 

[Race Radio]

That I agree with. But I'd add that USADA only got the power because they had a Fed you could cross reference the previous testimony.

USADA did not receive any testimony or evidence from the Fed's

 

[thehog]

USADA did not receive any testimony or evidence from the Fed's

Of course they didn't. But a Federal agent sat in the room as testimony was provided. Just like I stated.

You ok?

 

[Granville57]

I've reported your post and will step away.

Again...

.........

 

[Granville57]

If Lance's legacy is that The Clinic is now going to feed on itself, could I request more pics please?

Pics always make for more entertainment.

 

[Race Radio]

Of course they didn't. But a Federal agent sat in the room as testimony was provided. Just like I stated.

You ok?

Did you read what you wrote? It appears you left out a few words.....You ok?

 

[thehog]

Did you read what you wrote? It appears you left out a few words.....You ok?

Race Radio do you think you'll ever tell is about how you know Moncoutie is a doper?

Seriously, let you and I be mature about this and both stand down on SittingBisons good words. Nothing to be gained by tit for tat. It's not a discussion. Just angry men.

Enough is enough. Everyone is sick of us.

 

[MarkvW]

That I agree with. But I'd add that USADA only got the power because they had a Fed you could cross reference the previous testimony.

USADA couldn't cross reference (secret testimony), but Novitsky already had all (or most of) the Postie Accomplices tied down to their sworn story by the time Tygart came around. Tygart's persistence and doggedness was very important, but Fraud and Novitsky cracked the conspiracy open and made possible everything that was to follow.

 

[BroDeal]

Weisel has beaten the rap. Only the die-hard haters can bang that drum any more.

Exactly. He dodged a bullet. He, unlike Armstrong, undoubtedly listens to his lawyers. The idea that this septuagenarian wakes up every day, intertwines his figers like Mr. Burns, and plots to undermine cycling is the raving of paranoid loons who would be better off spending their time sorting through their valued collection of overly used Wang Chung and Divinyls cassette tapes.

 

[BroDeal]

I agree.

Since the USADA decision my perspective has changed a great deal - I am not liking what I see from certain people on the 'winning' side.

Not everything lance said was wrong - and not everything the other side was right.

However to see Race talk about people like me only wanting conflict genuinely made me smile. Irony much.

He says we didn't care so much about anti doping as conflict....

some people seem to care more about lance than doping.

This. The hypocrisy in the post Armstrong world is deliciously entertaining. It is fun enough watching the Brits, in the fading light of the Empire, queue up to compete with each other over who has the tightest embrace of excuses long ago played out by U.S. Postal; but seeing the hater clique gleefully turning to the same tactics they decried Armstrong for using might be even more fun if the base motives wrapped in phony altruism were not so retching.

The ongoing end zone celebration and self promotion at every opportunity changed my opinion. My sympathies largely evaporated while seeing those whinging about Armstrong "destroying" people do their best to destroy everyone remotely close to Armstrong who has not stabbed him in the back, and this two years after everything should have ended. One has to wonder just how many years the vendetta will will continue. I would say it reached its nadir with the way they turned on O'Reilly for making up with Armstrong but I suspect there is a lot lower to go.

 

[JRTinMA]

Gentle(wo)men,
read this clearly and comprehend it.

The trolling and baiting is out of hand. Stop it now or you are out of here. Think long and hard before hitting the "sub,it" button

Clear enough?

cheers
bison

PS rather than closing the thread for maintanence, it remains open. But I will be deleting certain lines of "conversation" that are in flagrant violation of acceptable behaviour

Please resign.

 

[MarkvW]

This. The hypocrisy in the post Armstrong world is deliciously entertaining. It is fun enough watching the Brits, in the fading light of the Empire, queue up to compete with each other over who has the tightest embrace of excuses long ago played out by U.S. Postal; but seeing the hater clique gleefully turning to the same tactics they decried Armstrong for using might be even more fun if the base motives wrapped in phony altruism were not so retching.

The ongoing end zone celebration and self promotion at every opportunity changed my opinion. My sympathies largely evaporated while seeing those whinging about Armstrong "destroying" people do their best to destroy everyone remotely close to Armstrong who has not stabbed him in the back, and this two years after everything should have ended. One has to wonder just how many years the vendetta will will continue. I would say it reached its nadir with the way they turned on O'Reilly for making up with Armstrong but I suspect there is a lot lower to go.

This is European professional bike racing, dude! It was filthy back before the dawn of time. It will be filthy when our grandchildren are great grandfathers. Clean riders are the freaks! Armstrong is the ultimate expression of the peloton. He took it all too far, but boy could he ride a bike.

Betsy is cool and sincere, but all she does is bring a Catholic School sensibility to the pro peloton. She's like a nun preaching to a whorehouse. The European peloton is never going to change.

Professional cycling is the deepest dark black comedy. Hypocrisy is just another joke the sport plays on us all. Lance vs. Betsy, Lance vs. the World, Lance vs. USADA, Lance vs. Whatever. It's just a joke. Almost everybody in the pro cycling game knows that it's just a circus. My only pity is for the poor fools who don't (and the riders, who are grossly exploited by management).