Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[purcell]

Cycling was a pure and noble virgin until it was despoiled by bad Lance Armstrong. Once Lance Armstrong has been chastised, and his corrupt defenders driven away, cycling will once again become the pure and noble sport that it always has been!

Correct. On all points. Well done.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Cycling was a pure and noble virgin until it was despoiled by bad Lance Armstrong.

I hear he got cycling drunk first and that he had someone take pictures of the whole nasty act and posted them to her Facebook.

Such a creep.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Cycling was a pure and noble virgin until it was despoiled by bad Lance Armstrong. Once Lance Armstrong has been chastised, and his corrupt defenders driven away, cycling will once again become the pure and noble sport that it always has been!

The argument nobody is making except jilted fanboys who enjoy creating straw man arguments.

 

[Athame]

that's going to rub it in badly for Dopestrong who was just a $100k away job for Landis from walking!

__________________________ Knice won!


But you'd better be careful though or Bacca is gonna call you a fanboi.

IMHO the whole debacle is just like that: Over confidence to the point of pathology.
Over and over and over again he flaunted the rules so much so that he became
accustomed to making the rules

 

[sittingbison]

... Is it any wonder that Armstrong's seven tour wins and all his other wins haven't been passed on to anyone? The only one racing clean probably finished # 123!!!!...

hehe its hilarious to look at who has finished 123rd in the Tour

onya jashermotola

Oh and before I forget, disgraced and convicted ex cyclist Lance Armstrong has no results after 1998, so that limits his victories somewhat

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Cycling was a pure and noble virgin until it was despoiled by bad Lance Armstrong. Once Lance Armstrong has been chastised, and his corrupt defenders driven away, cycling will once again become the pure and noble sport that it always has been!

Well yeah. There was no need for your post, because all of that information is well known.

BTW you still reeling from these guys attacking you with those Egg on Face photo's?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Cycling was a pure and noble virgin until it was despoiled by bad Lance Armstrong. Once Lance Armstrong has been chastised, and his corrupt defenders driven away, cycling will once again become the pure and noble sport that it always has been!

Lance is already chastised, and his corrupt defenders are feeling Federal heat.

There is another group that I hope will also go away, the clueless apologists. People who know zero about the sport except what Phil&Paul told them. The ones that defended Armstrong, at first denying his doping, then saying he did a lot of good and finally saying things like everyone is doing it. I hope they go back and watch football or go off to triathlon.

It seems there is still work to be done.

 

[Race Radio]

Technically no. Cycling was the last sport to sign wada. Just befor the Olympics in 2004 but interestingly after the tour. Armstrong initially set to go to the Olympics suddenly got cold feet and said he had to "spend time with his kids". **** pound called him out on it.

As a UCI licensed professional he was under the WADA code as soon as they signed in 2004. Those marathons and Tri's he did? All refer to USADA in their entry form. He signed a Pro licenses again in 2008, 09, 10. Each time agreeing to the WADA code.

He knew the rules. He agreed to them......but thought they did not apply to him

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Lance is already chastised, and his corrupt defenders are feeling Federal heat.

There is another group that I hope will also go away, the clueless apologists. People who know zero about the sport except what Phil&Paul told them. The ones that defended Armstrong, at first denying his doping, then saying he did a lot of good and finally saying things like everyone is doing it. I hope they go back and watch football or go off to triathlon.

It seems there is still work to be done.

Show me a link or some proof that "they" all watched football and were triathletes before letting phil&Paul tell them about the sport.

That above requests sounds like someone else?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Show me a link or some proof that "they" all watched football and were triathletes before letting phil&Paul tell them about the sport.

That above requests sounds like someone else?

I never said they "all" watch football.
But since you asked sooo nicely here are 2 quick examples.

"Greatest Doping Scandal in History" is evocative, but massively overblown. In the USA, all one has to do is look at any sampling of NFL pro football linemen, and one can see a MUCH bigger doping scandal. And those guys bash each others' brains out (literally).

I think that pro cycling will continue to retain the fans who have supported the sport despite its decades-long legacy of doping. The Armstrong episode is just another chapter in the ongoing pro cycling saga. It's happened before and it will happen again.

A lot of fans just don't care about doping. In my State (Washington, USA), the announcers positively shone with joy when announcing that a football player's dope suspension was reversed because of a sample-handling error.

I think that doping limits pro cycling and always will. That limitation keeps cycling a "good old boy's club" managed by a small clique of insiders.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I never said they "all" watch football.
But since you asked sooo nicely here are 2 quick examples.

Certainly we are not taking MarkvW's posts as prooF? I mean after they all attacked him with the egg face thing?

I thought there was some type of graphical representation out on the interweb that shows the percentages of LA fans that were football fans and triathletes.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Certainly we are not taking MarkvW's posts as prooF? I mean after they all attacked him with the egg face thing?

I thought there was some type of graphical representation out on the interweb that shows the percentages of LA fans that were football fans and triathletes.

That was MY attack on MarkvW. Credit where credit is due.

 

[MarkvW]

Certainly we are not taking MarkvW's posts as prooF? I mean after they all attacked him with the egg face thing?

I thought there was some type of graphical representation out on the interweb that shows the percentages of LA fans that were football fans and triathletes.

You are being invited into the Maserati Vortex!

 

[Scott SoCal]

You are being invited into the Maserati Vortex!

Naw. Only those caught in a lie get sucked up in the Dr. M Vortex.

But you wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Certainly we are not taking MarkvW's posts as prooF? I mean after they all attacked him with the egg face thing?

I thought there was some type of graphical representation out on the interweb that shows the percentages of LA fans that were football fans and triathletes.

Damn, I thought I was going to have to explain that i was using grammar, but it appears you use it too.
Unless of course you wish to show some graphical representation to show that 'they all' attacked poor Mark.

You are being invited into the Maserati Vortex!

Actually if you read my earlier post you would see I would like all the apologists to go away.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Damn, I thought I was going to have to explain that i was using grammar, but it appears you use it too.
Unless of course you wish to show some graphical representation to show that 'they all' attacked poor Mark.


Actually if you read my earlier post you would see I would like all the apologists to go away.

Grammar eh?
Check this one out.

Good luck Doc. with the all of them going away and all. No reason to get all worked up about it.

Hey so what is it about triathaletes that you don't like? Is it because LA was racing those before his cycling EXcapades or that he tried to go back to them once he realized that they didn't do testing to the IM weenies?

Me I've been a long time hater of the Tri-guys. I didn't just start up the hate train when LA tried to get back into it.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

That was MY attack on MarkvW. Credit where credit is due.

oops my bad Chewie.

 

[DirtyWorks]

He knew the rules. He agreed to them......but thought they did not apply to him

I know it's been said before but, that's probably the most elegant summary of Wonderboy.

 

[Zweistein]

W

Oh, and pretty sure Hinault's been clean for ALL of his wins too(or else info would've come out by now, like with Greg, BOTH have been retired for over 20+ yrs)

I don't know how much of a non-statement is worth but Cyrille Guimard would only say that Greg was clean. I personally took that to mean that Fignon and Hinault were less than clean. Fignon admitted to doping during his career and Hinault has in my opinion never taking much of a stance against doping. I remember him chastising french riders for not being professional enough, which I thought was a thinly veiled suggestion that they shouldn't be happy riding clean and getting mediocre results.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

I don't know how much of a non-statement is worth but Cyrille Guimard would only say that Greg was clean. I personally took that to mean that Fignon and Hinault were less than clean. Fignon admitted to doping during his career and Hinault has in my opinion never taking much of a stance against doping. I remember him chastising french riders for not being professional enough, which I thought was a thinly veiled suggestion that they shouldn't be happy riding clean and getting mediocre results.

Right after Hinault retired from was on La Vie Claire, I was lucky enough to follow the team around for a few stages in 1987. Hinault was around and was not hesitant at all to talk story. He said that there were homeopathic and 'other' things that were extremely effective, and not on any prohibited list. Considering what the 'list' looked like in 1987 it is not hard to believe that he may have been taking products that were legal at the time, but would be prohibited today.

Other noteworthy point: The team staff included Paul Koechli and Claude Genzling who collaborated with Hinault 2.0 on a total repositioning on the bike, and who were also quite outspoken on the non-use of drugs.

La Vie Claire was, ironically, a nutritional company advocating the "Clear Life" and was owned by Bernard Tapie, who was famous for going to jail after convicted for match fixing in soccer. He also owned the Marseille soccer team, and briefly, adidas.

Was Hinault clean? Probably. Probably the best all-round GT rider of the era, pre Lemond.

 

[D-Queued]

Right after Hinault retired from was on La Vie Claire, I was lucky enough to follow the team around for a few stages in 1987. Hinault was around and was not hesitant at all to talk story. He said that there were homeopathic and 'other' things that were extremely effective, and not on any prohibited list. Considering what the 'list' looked like in 1987 it is not hard to believe that he may have been taking products that were legal at the time, but would be prohibited today.

Other noteworthy point: The team staff included Paul Koechli and Claude Genzling who collaborated with Hinault 2.0 on a total repositioning on the bike, and who were also quite outspoken on the non-use of drugs.

La Vie Claire was, ironically, a nutritional company advocating the "Clear Life" and was owned by Bernard Tapie, who was famous for going to jail after convicted for match fixing in soccer. He also owned the Marseille soccer team, and briefly, adidas.

Was Hinault clean? Probably. Probably the best all-round GT rider of the era, pre Lemond.

I have a copy of the IOC's list from the '70s and it is a lot longer and more complete than we might imagine. I still laugh at caffeine, even though it is a wonder drug.

This observation is not meant to diminish your point, as this does make sense.

Dave.

 

[webvan]

It's a well known fact that Hinault killed his knees with too much cortisone...was it banned? Dunno...point is cyclists have always taken the best stuff that was available to them and until EPO it didn't really matter, i.e. a champ was a champ but "saler la soupe" was as given so there was no resistance to taking the game changing EPO when it arrived.

 

[Athame]

Was Hinault clean? Probably.

I couldn't help but think, given the content of your post, that you would
have arrived at the opposite conclusion. That is unless by clean you mean
simply not using [very many] items on the banned list.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

I couldn't help but think, given the content of your post, that you would
have arrived at the opposite conclusion. That is unless by clean you mean
simply not using [very many] items on the banned list.

I don't think he doped. But that does not mean much.....

Given that many of his contemporaries tested positive for the basic stuff in circulation in the 70's and 80's at one time or another leads me to believe that his choices were either not prohibited at the time, or not detectable.

Also noteworthy, the latter part of his career was not indicative of a dope burnout like it was for some others.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Hombre de Subaru and Jeff Garvey must be feeling pretty idiotic nowadays.

Scott...how do you know about Hombre de Subaru...?