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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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HelmutRoole said:
D-Queued said:
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USADA, Tygert... They're not bad people. But my experiences as a reporter' tells me, they screw the pooch over there and often. And when they do, they don't like people knowing about it.

What kind of reporter?

:confused:

You may have this forum confused with something that has 3 x's.

Otherwise, your experience as a reporter should have taught you something about making bizarre and unsubstantiated accusations.

Please feel encouraged to focus more on your best Joe Friday impersonation.

Dave.
There are three obvious questions you failed to ask.

1) Where has your work appeared?
2) Who were you working for when you interviewed Travis Tygert?
3) What was the nature of that interview?

You didn't think to ask those questions likely because your mind is already made up. You don't need anymore information. Move on. Nothing to see here.

By the way, Joe Friday was a police officer not a reporter. A minor detail, I'm sure, to someone making reactionary statements.

You have me interested. May I pose those questions to you?
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
I can't believe you guys don't know HelmutRoole, maybe because yall have not ever visited more than one or two cycling forums before? Maybe yall will get it.

Sorry, but no.

I'm still good with my singular question: what kind of reporter?

While you may be familiar with Mr. Roole, Google isn't and HelmutRoole only gets 7 Results. That's pretty low. And, visiting other cycling forums may not help all that much.

One of those seven had something to do with "Can You be Sued for a Satirical Article - ExpertLaw". Seems Mr. Roole may have initiated the dialog.

In that particular dialog, I was amused by this response as it seems relevant to the comment I flagged above:

"It's actually flat out libel, and that will not only get you sued, it's a slam dunk for the plaintiff."

Dave.
 
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luckyboy said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/08/19/lance-armstrong-government-federal-judge-testimony/32015407/

Three more hours of testimony coming. Plus...

Cooper still gave the government additional time and also granted Armstrong’s former teammate, Floyd Landis, two hours to question Armstrong under oath in a pretrial deposition.
can see the first question Floyd asks;
"I bet you wish you hired me now..."
 
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Archibald said:
luckyboy said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/08/19/lance-armstrong-government-federal-judge-testimony/32015407/

Three more hours of testimony coming. Plus...

Cooper still gave the government additional time and also granted Armstrong’s former teammate, Floyd Landis, two hours to question Armstrong under oath in a pretrial deposition.
can see the first question Floyd asks;
"I bet you wish you hired me now..."

LOL :D

Priceless!!
 
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Archibald said:
luckyboy said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/08/19/lance-armstrong-government-federal-judge-testimony/32015407/

Three more hours of testimony coming. Plus...

Cooper still gave the government additional time and also granted Armstrong’s former teammate, Floyd Landis, two hours to question Armstrong under oath in a pretrial deposition.
can see the first question Floyd asks;
"I bet you wish you hired me now..."

Although that is more of a statement than a question, I would pay stupid money to sit in on that 2 hours of Floyd skewering Lance 'Mennonite Style'. I bet Floyd might even be willing to suit-up for the occasion.
 
This picture was taken at the TdF this year. Is it just me, or has Lance aged horribly in the span of three years? Of course, it may be just the lighting, or the stress of the charity ride.

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This picture was taken at the TdF this year. Is it just me, or has Lance aged horribly in the span of three years? Of course, it may be just the lighting, or the stress of the charity ride.

TZjhA2v.jpg

The stress of riding for a charity and Armstrong not pocketing a cent......... :rolleyes:
 
Could be he'd just been partying down while he was on the continent. He doesn't get over here as often as he did before he had to sell off the jet, so he's probably making up for lost time. It's understandable that the face could get a bit puffy, having that many people toasting to your health.

Then again, maybe that isn't sunburn on his nose, maybe it's rosacea from his efforts to make sure his 10,000 bottle personal wine cellar no longer is available when the asset seizures begin (to be followed in about 10 years by rhinophyma).

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Boater optional
 
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I'm not impressed with USADA or Tygert. The Reasoned Decision was mostly publicly available information. What wasn't was gift wrapped by the DoJ. Their unwillingness to release information to me in my dealings with them as a journalist is Bush/Cheney'esque.

It's truly the amateur hour over there.

What could you possibly need from USADA if the information was "mostly publicly available information" and the DOJ "gift wrapped" the rest. The fact is all of the affidavit evidence in which the proof was substantially contained was not released by the DOJ because they are not entitled in law to do this where they terminate an investigation. If you look at the affidavits they were given to USADA and not the DOJ. Methinks you dost protest too much! :rolleyes:
It was a story concerning Tom Zirbel's positive for testosterone. It had nothing to do with Armstrong or the DoJ.

I've never encountered a Tygert fanboy.

So, your version of events would have me believe that Tygert charmed 11 former Armstrong teammates into providing incriminating affidavits against Armstrong?

Is it possible, in your admiration of Tygert, that you're leaving something out?

BTW T Zirbel did not test positive for testosterone. it was DHEA which is found in many over -the-counter supplements and can actually suppress testosterone production in men.
(One person I truly believe that did get that through a contaminated supplement....)

but nice try for dissing TygArt for doing his job. ;)
 
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Get your facts straight:

(April 2, 2010) USADA announced today that Tom Zirbel...

Zirbel, 31, provided a urine sample on August 29, 2009, at the PRO Road Championships, held in Greenville, South Carolina. The sample resulted in an adverse analytical finding for testosterone or its precursors, which is in the class of anabolic steroids and prohibited under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing and the rules of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), both of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (“Code”) and the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List.


http://www.usada.org/us-cycling-athlete-zirbel-receives-sanction-for-violation/
 
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HelmutRoole said:
Get your facts straight:

(April 2, 2010) USADA announced today that Tom Zirbel...

Zirbel, 31, provided a urine sample on August 29, 2009, at the PRO Road Championships, held in Greenville, South Carolina. The sample resulted in an adverse analytical finding for testosterone or its precursors, which is in the class of anabolic steroids and prohibited under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing and the rules of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), both of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (“Code”) and the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List.


http://www.usada.org/us-cycling-athlete-zirbel-receives-sanction-for-violation/

Google is your friend. Tom Zirbel/DHEA. Look it up.... as a reporter I mean.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
HelmutRoole said:
Get your facts straight:

(April 2, 2010) USADA announced today that Tom Zirbel...

Zirbel, 31, provided a urine sample on August 29, 2009, at the PRO Road Championships, held in Greenville, South Carolina. The sample resulted in an adverse analytical finding for testosterone or its precursors, which is in the class of anabolic steroids and prohibited under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing and the rules of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), both of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (“Code”) and the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List.


http://www.usada.org/us-cycling-athlete-zirbel-receives-sanction-for-violation/

Google is your friend. Tom Zirbel/DHEA. Look it up.... as a reporter I mean.

You're saying you don't trust the USADA press release I provided.

I would like say, surely you can see the irony, but I'm not so sure you can.
 
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HelmutRoole said:
Scott SoCal said:
HelmutRoole said:
Get your facts straight:

(April 2, 2010) USADA announced today that Tom Zirbel...

Zirbel, 31, provided a urine sample on August 29, 2009, at the PRO Road Championships, held in Greenville, South Carolina. The sample resulted in an adverse analytical finding for testosterone or its precursors, which is in the class of anabolic steroids and prohibited under the USADA Protocol for Olympic and Paralympic Movement Testing and the rules of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI), both of which have adopted the World Anti-Doping Code (“Code”) and the World Anti-Doping Agency Prohibited List.


http://www.usada.org/us-cycling-athlete-zirbel-receives-sanction-for-violation/

Google is your friend. Tom Zirbel/DHEA. Look it up.... as a reporter I mean.

You're saying you don't trust the USADA press release I provided.

I would like say, surely you can see the irony, but I'm not so sure you can.


maybe make sure your facts are straight before demanding others get their facts straight.

The A-sample returned positive for an endogenous steroid Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)
 
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Scott SoCal said:
HelmutRoole said:
Provide a link and I will explain your error.


Too many to list. Google really is your friend. Tom Zirbel, DHEA.

Help yourself.

Nevermind. I found the link: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zirbel-announces-positive-for-dhea/

Tom Zirbel has announced he tested positive in an anti-doping test conducted by the United States Anti Doping Association (USADA) following the US Pro time trial championships on August 29, 2009. The A-sample returned positive for an endogenous steroid Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). Zirbel awaits the response of the B sample.

Now, my source states "USADA announced ..." Your source states, "Tom Zirbel has announced..."

Let me know if I need to explain the conflict of interest that exists and I'll be happy to do it.

USADA is stingy with information. But they're not liars. At least that hasn't been my experience.

FYI: Zirbel has since backed well away from that positive-for-DHEA statement.

There's a Zirbel thread on this forum. Let's discuss there, eh?
 
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HelmutRoole said:
Scott SoCal said:
HelmutRoole said:
Provide a link and I will explain your error.


Too many to list. Google really is your friend. Tom Zirbel, DHEA.

Help yourself.

Nevermind. I found the link: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zirbel-announces-positive-for-dhea/

Tom Zirbel has announced he tested positive in an anti-doping test conducted by the United States Anti Doping Association (USADA) following the US Pro time trial championships on August 29, 2009. The A-sample returned positive for an endogenous steroid Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). Zirbel awaits the response of the B sample.

Now, my source states "USADA announced ..." Your source states, "Tom Zirbel has announced..."

Let me know if I need to explain the conflict of interest that exists and I'll be happy to do it.

USADA is stingy with information. But they're not liars. At least that hasn't been my experience.

FYI: Zirbel has since backed well away from that positive-for-DHEA statement.

There's a Zirbel thread on this forum. Let's discuss there, eh?

Your source does not state that Tom tested positive for testo, it states "testosterone or its precursors". DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) is a testosterone precursor.
 
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MarkvW said:
I'm losing the thread here. What does Zirbel-DHEA-Testosterone-USADA have to do with Armstrong?

It has to do with HelmutRoole's campaign to discredit USADA and in turn the Reasoned Decision. More specifically, it has to do with his lame attempt to disseminate misinformation in an effort to support a specious argument:

viewtopic.php?p=1798970#p1798970

By misstating the case against Zirbel, he hopes to show USADA as a "Lame" and "amateurs" and those who support the Reasoned Decision as "Tygart Fanboys". THAT is what it has to do with Armstrong.

But then you knew that...
 
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MacRoadie said:
MarkvW said:
I'm losing the thread here. What does Zirbel-DHEA-Testosterone-USADA have to do with Armstrong?

It has to do with HelmutRoole's campaign to discredit USADA and in turn the Reasoned Decision. More specifically, it has to do with his lame attempt to disseminate misinformation in an effort to support a specious argument:

viewtopic.php?p=1798970#p1798970

By misstating the case against Zirbel, he hopes to show USADA as a "Lame" and "amateurs" and those who support the Reasoned Decision as "Tygart Fanboys". THAT is what it has to do with Armstrong.

But then you knew that...


Well the subject in question insists on spelling Travis' name "Tygert" so I'm not even sure if HR is discussing the same dude.... or maybe he really does know a lot more than everybody else.

It was widely reported at the time that Zirbel was popped for a DHEA positive. Whether or not the substance that tripped the wire was DHEA isn't even the point. This "have your facts straight" throne sitting is the part that is silly. The facts were straight even if there may or may not be more to the story.
 
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MacRoadie said:
MarkvW said:
I'm losing the thread here. What does Zirbel-DHEA-Testosterone-USADA have to do with Armstrong?

It has to do with HelmutRoole's campaign to discredit USADA and in turn the Reasoned Decision. More specifically, it has to do with his lame attempt to disseminate misinformation in an effort to support a specious argument:

viewtopic.php?p=1798970#p1798970

By misstating the case against Zirbel, he hopes to show USADA as a "Lame" and "amateurs" and those who support the Reasoned Decision as "Tygart Fanboys". THAT is what it has to do with Armstrong.

But then you knew that...

I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.