Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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My view is that he has nothing to lose, it can't get any worse now. The only way to go is up. He doesn't have to admit to lying on a talk show, Oprah isn't a judicial environment. USADA has some important questions they will need answered, bigger fish to fry.
 
mewmewmew13 said:
Even crazier I think is the fact that Armstrong called Travis a liar by denying that he ever offered USADA the 'donation'...

Tygart may not take that foolish statement by Lance, in a personal manner. His modus operandi has been so excellent, he's a step ahead of Lance and his advisors.
 
Microchip said:
My view is that he has nothing to lose, it can't get any worse now. The only way to go is up. He doesn't have to admit to lying on a talk show, Oprah isn't a judicial environment. USADA has some important questions they will need answered, bigger fish to fry.

He's got armloads of money, and lots of people angry at him. It can get worse. He ought to be executing some kind of coherent strategy. What he's doing now isn't coherent, and it certainly isn't a strategy.
 
MarkvW said:
I can't believe that Lance lied to Oprah--again. While the odds of gaining anything from a halfway-confession were small, the odds of gaining anything from lying to Oprah were nonexistent. He has a right to remain silent and he really should STFU.
I don't claim to know what was going through his head, but I think it's pretty clear he lied about several key points in the interview. And if he came clean to Tygart, his lies would be revealed. He can't let everybody know he tried to play them again after, what, a couple of weeks?
 
hrotha said:
I don't claim to know what was going through his head, but I think it's pretty clear he lied about several key points in the interview. And if he came clean to Tygart, his lies would be revealed. He can't let everybody know he tried to play them again after, what, a couple of weeks?

So true. Watch out Lancey, Tygart can play the ruthless game too.
 
hrotha said:
I don't claim to know what was going through his head, but I think it's pretty clear he lied about several key points in the interview. And if he came clean to Tygart, his lies would be revealed. He can't let everybody know he tried to play them again after, what, a couple of weeks?

He really made some stupid comments...his arrogance runs over any rational thought

There is no way that he will reveal the truth to USADA...

Microchip I agree that Travis has certainly never veered from his purpose :)
I don't think emotion distracts him.
 
Microchip said:
My view is that he has nothing to lose, it can't get any worse now. The only way to go is up. He doesn't have to admit to lying on a talk show, Oprah isn't a judicial environment. USADA has some important questions they will need answered, bigger fish to fry.

One would think that he has hit bottom with only way to go up, but he is just determined to dig a deeper hole. Its that lazer like focus of his.
 

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hrotha said:
LA can't possibly admit to lying to Oprah, unless he absolutely has to. He can't make any deals with USADA if he wants to salvage what's left of his public image.

My first reaction was to agree with you - but he has admitted his doping yet he has sunk lower in public opinion because it was obvious he was still lying. Which i don't believe he was expecting.

He has restoring some public credibility as an incentive - so its going to be weighed against future legal downfall. Tough call.
 
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I just saw a news flash stating that LA's attorneys say he will cooperate with UCI now to help "clean up the sport". No further details yet
 

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Orinda8 said:
I just saw a news flash stating that LA's attorneys say he will cooperate with UCI now to help "clean up the sport". No further details yet
Sounds strange - perhaps they meant USADA as opposed to UCI.
 

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Carols said:
Cooperate with the UCI? To me that means cooperate in a Coverup with the UCI :( Try USADA or WADA Lance!

Agree, I can't see USADA taking that.
The UCI would love it - they need someone to pay for all these expensive lawyers they have trying to strangle their own Independent Commission.
 
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Orinda8 said:
I just saw a news flash stating that LA's attorneys say he will cooperate with UCI now to help "clean up the sport". No further details yet

Well, with the help of Armstrong plus the independent commission, the UCI might find out how everything was covered up. It's not like they're not getting enough help. :)
 
mewmewmew13 said:
Even crazier I think is the fact that Armstrong called Travis a liar by denying that he ever offered USADA the 'donation'.

Wtf is he thinking ....?...as Travis holds the cards to a possible reduction for the @ssh@!e

I doubt that it was Lance personally that made the offer, therefore armstrong will be able to just deny it again.
 
jackwolf said:
Well, with the help of Armstrong plus the independent commission, the UCI might find out how everything was covered up. It's not like they're not getting enough help. :)


Hein knows in good very good detail the corruption that's happening at the UCI. He's a major source!

Lance is going in to protect Hein, not topple the regime. The guy has no problem spreading more lies to a commission. Another helping of prepared, well-crafted messages minimizing Hein and Wonderboy's exposure coming up!

The absolute worst case scenario for Wonderboy lying to the commission is he can't go riding in the Yorkshire Dales.

Carols beat me to it!
 
Fatclimber said:
armstrong to cooperate to clean up cycling:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-n...armstrong-to-help-clean-up-cycling-ar-616849/

Mr control freak going to WADA & UCI, still at odds with USADA.

He can't say anything to USADA. Tygart gets a glorious string of perjury claims, one right after another as soon as Wonderboy answers questions. If Wonderboy knew how to answer honestly and did it, my guess is he'd be up for some criminal charges.

He can go to Switzerland, UK, Australia no problem. He just won't be able to visit again. Again, no problem. What's a few more lies? He can't keep them straight anyway.

Wonderboy is the Vrijman report. Wow. Both brilliant and terrible all at once. Now if the IC keeps going they NEED to give Wonderboy as much credit as an Iraqi Press Minister and focus on Hein and Pat's corruption. Let's hope the IC keep going!
 
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Lance and Co. will be dealing their way out of this dumpster fire.
I don't think Armstrong knows anymore what the heck he is saying.
 
DirtyWorks said:
He can't say anything to USADA. Tygart gets a glorious string of perjury claims, one right after another as soon as Wonderboy answers questions. If Wonderboy knew how to answer honestly and did it, my guess is he'd be up for some criminal charges.

He can go to Switzerland, UK, Australia no problem. He just won't be able to visit again. Again, no problem. What's a few more lies? He can't keep them straight anyway.

Wonderboy is the Vrijman report.

Yeah I don't think there's anything useful that can come from armstrong. There will be no information revealed that will be be beneficial to the sport and incriminating to him. At this point it's too easy to say "I don't recall."

I'm glad USADA is trying to expose fat & heine but wonder what they can actually do. Their job is making sure US athletes are clean, aren't they overreaching going after the UCI? What can they even do if the exposé UCI corruption?
 
Armstrong attorney Tim Herman responded to USADA's first letter, sent Wednesday, by saying his client's schedule is already full

Right, jetting around the world for cancer awareness, meeting all the people who are paying him large fees for showing up at their races. Lance is really busy these days.

USADA isn't interested in cleaning up cycling.

It can’t be easy to pick out one, but I nominate this as the single most disgusting thing Tim Herman has said.

I think LA’s problem here is not just the perjury issue. He hates Tygart with a passion, and he simply can’t put that hatred aside to talk to him, even when that might be his only chance if he ever wants to compete in anything again.

Wrt the Tygart interview on 60m: I certainly think LA lied at points in the interview, but Tygart is on very shaky ground on a couple of his points:

It's not true that the former cyclist tried a clean comeback, as he told Winfrey, says Tygart. "Just contrary to the evidence...His blood tests in 2009, 2010-- expert reports based on the variation of his blood values-- from those tests, one to a million chance that it was due to something other than doping," he tells Pelley. Tygart says there is further evidence in emails between Armstrong and Dr. Michele Ferrari in those years, whom Armstrong claimed to have shunned due to Ferrari's known doping activities.

As I’ve said before, I don’t buy this one in a million. If that’s the case, why hasn’t anyone published the statistical analysis? How could it be that significant when his off-score, which is a major part of the blood passport, never came that close to the red flag level of 132 or so used in the earlier version? And if it really is that significant, why wasn't it used in USADA charging letter? Rather than just saying his blood values were consistent with doping, why didn't USDA flat out state they had him nailed with a positive test? One in a million is far beyond the criterion for positive in any drug test used in sports.

He also wasn't telling the truth when he said he used only small amounts of the blood booster EPO, says Tygart. "He used a lot of EPO. You look at the '99 Tour de France samples and they were flaming positive, the highest that we've ever seen. And he's now acknowledged those were positive."

Oh, boy, how could the head of USADA make a mistake like this? The EPO test does not tell you how much recombinant EPO is present, it only tells you (and only very roughly at that, certainly not in a way that would allow quantitation) the ratio of recombinant to natural. If LA had very low levels of natural EPO, he could have had a “flaming positive” gel with relatively low levels of recombinant EPO.
 

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He might not be referring to the test results for his comments on EPO, it might be witness testimony from former team mates.

I agree with your interpretation of Armstrongs unwillingness to work with USADA. It's driven by Armstrongs lizard brain. He is still the same old Armstrong, you could see him let the mask of contrition slip when then hatred came out during the Oprah thing. Did you notice how his tone of voice changed totally when asked if he'd apologise to Walsh? He'd clearly never considered it before, because deep down he doesn't think he owes an apology to those who have brought him down.
 
Joachim said:
He might not be referring to the test results for his comments on EPO, it might be witness testimony from former team mates.

I agree with your interpretation of Armstrongs unwillingness to work with USADA. It's driven by Armstrongs lizard brain. He is still the same old Armstrong, you could see him let the mask of contrition slip when then hatred came out during the Oprah thing. Did you notice how his tone of voice changed totally when asked if he'd apologise to Walsh? He'd clearly never considered it before, because deep down he doesn't think he owes an apology to those who have brought him down.

Which makes this even better:

@TheRaceRadio: .@DavidWalshST is in talks with Armstrong's reps for an interview. It would be part of a settlement of the Sunday Times Lawsuit.