Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Microchip]

Hello,

I do not follow the clinic very much ...

... After all, what is Lance Armstrong? He is merely the product of a system that allowed, even supported him to be Lance Armstrong.

.. What's the big woof?

Again - sorry if I am missing crucial information and thus my relections may be flawed.

Sincerely,

Christian
Senior Member
Cyclingnews Forum

It would be a good idea to follow the Clinic, some knowledgeable posters are here.

Some crucial information you're missing:

He had access to drugs which were still in the experimental stage.*
He 'cordoned' off the services of Dr. Ferrari, a genius in the application of knowledge about the human body and the science of drugs that enhances performance.
Tyler Hamilton states that Dr. Ferrari's program was 2 years ahead of what was public knowledge of doping products.

I'm still suspicious about the timing records of the stages, but that's speculation at this point and my personal suspicion anyway.

*It's interesting that his ability to have children was restored, no?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Hello,

I do not follow the clinic very much and have, to this point, not yet expressed my views on the Lance Armstrong case, lest I forget. Therefore please excuse my possible lack of knowledge, or else repeating a point of view that may have been expressed by others before me.

When Lance Armstrong confessed to doping, I was not at all surprised. To me, this had been common knowledge at least since 2006, when pretty much all his main contenders were revealed to be doping. What surprised me was the surprise among the peloton. Did all these riders really not know or at least strongly suspect this? That seems very uncredible to me. I cannot put myself in the position of a pro rider, but if I were a young professional, I would honestly say: "I am not in the least bit surprised".

As regards to Lance Armstrong himself, I have been thinking lately that the public is too harsh on him. After all, what is Lance Armstrong? He is merely the product of a system that allowed, even supported him to be Lance Armstrong. A coloquial proverb says "Don't hate the player, hate the game" - why blame a player if the referees, the international federations, etc. are all corrupted? In my opinion, if it hadn't been Armstrong, it would have been Ullrich or Basso or Landis or you name it.

When all is said and done Armstong still remains a great athlete and an immensely talented cyclist. And a doper, and a cheater, and a liar, and an all around unpleasant and bullying person. I do not want to deny or belittle any of those truths, and strongly dislike him because of them. But the doping? He did what the system allowed him to do. All his main competitors did it. It's been common knowledge for a decade. What's the big woof?

Again - sorry if I am missing crucial information and thus my relections may be flawed.

Sincerely,

Christian
Senior Member
Cyclingnews Forum

I don't generally read your posts, but having read this one, I will confirm that yes, you are missing not only critical information, but pretty much any information. Maybe do some research here or anywhere else you'd like to find what the "big boof" is about.

That, or join handbag brigade who's membership has been reduced to 2 mentally ill trolls, and a couple of people who are still angry they were born morons. Your call.

 

[Microchip]

Further, when top riders left his team, they suddenly tested positive. Other contenders got harassed out of the race He had friends in high places that would eliminate the competition for him, ensuring he would win.

 

[petethedrummer]

Further, when top riders left his team, they suddenly tested positive. Other contenders got harassed out of the race He had friends in high places that would eliminate the competition for him, ensuring he would win.

Ah here, don't start explaining the story to the latest ignoramus. There are tomes of information on this subject.

 

[Bosco10]

It would be a good idea to follow the Clinic, some knowledgeable posters are here.

Some crucial information you're missing:

He had access to drugs which were still in the experimental stage.*
He 'cordoned' off the services of Dr. Ferrari, a genius in the application of knowledge about the human body and the science of drugs that enhances performance.
Tyler Hamilton states that Dr. Ferrari's program was 2 years ahead of what was public knowledge of doping products.

I'm still suspicious about the timing records of the stages, but that's speculation at this point and my personal suspicion anyway.

*It's interesting that his ability to have children was restored, no?

I'm curious. When exactly did Armstrong retain the exclusive services of Dr. Ferrari? I know that before 1999, he had competed in the TdF several times, and only finished it once, in 36th place.

 

[Microchip]

I'm curious. When exactly did Armstrong retain the exclusive services of Dr. Ferrari? I know that before 1999, he had competed in the TdF several times, and only finished it once, in 36th place.

When Tyler was on the team, Dr. Ferrari had an exclusive contract with Postal. After Tyler left and was organizing his own program he had to use Fuentes.

 

[thehog]

Matthew McConaughey and Lance Armstrong were once good pals.

The two were often spotted jogging together or partying out in Austin.

And Armstong’s recent confession that he used performance-enhancing drugs to win the Tour de France impacted the Hollywood actor on a personal level.

“He told a lie, he’s not a liar… When it came out, I took it personally, but then I realized it ain’t personal to him,” he told Details magazine. “I was going, ‘That son of a *****!’ but then I thought, ‘Well, what was he supposed to do? Call me to the side and go, Hey, I did this?'"

The actor added that he thinks Armstrong did the right thing by coming clean.

“…I’m happy for him now, because despite all this outside conflict, he doesn’t have this inner conflict anymore.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...y-pal-lance-armstrong-not-liar/#ixzz2OCjcOlXN

 

[Microchip]

Ferrari has been banned from working with Italian cyclists since 2002 - although an administrative error saw him temporarily fall off the banned list - but continued to work with Armstrong and his teammates in what was said to be an exclusive deal.

Lots of more info if you search for it.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...y-pal-lance-armstrong-not-liar/#ixzz2OCjcOlXN

He rode a bike....doesn't mean he is a bike rider.....

 

[ElChingon]

He rode a bike....doesn't mean he is a bike rider.....

Lance semi-confesses, bromance off.

He thinks about it and then remembers own (non-PED) doping, bromance back on!

 

[D-Queued]

No, not really. We've learned he was a super-responder to whatever oxygen vector doping he was using. Prior to EPO/tranfusions and such, he's been doped since a teenager on Carmichael's USA Cycling team. Read all about it: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/04/10/60ii/main284958.shtml If reading is too much trouble: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_...somethings-fishy-in-cycling-our-first-report/

It is very, very doubtful a clean Wonderboy in a field full of clean Cat 4 riders would have any podiums.

Just a little help on that prediction.

Dave.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...y-pal-lance-armstrong-not-liar/#ixzz2OCjcOlXN

mcconaughey, the righteous bastion of hollywood authenticity?

you mean the guy with the hairplugs, the hgh forehead, the body he says was hewn with no gym weights or exercises, just push-ups, and the white teeth.

this guy would have had harems in santa monica whilst his baby momma was back in austin.

take your shirt off you horrible hollywood superficial freak

He rode a bike....doesn't mean he is a bike rider.....

GEE NEE USSSSS!!!

 

[frenchfry]

On Complément d'Enquête last night (France 2) the subject was Lancey-poo.

http://www.france2.fr/emissions/complement-d-enquete/diffusions/21-03-2013_37421

I found it a bit jumbled, but interesting for those who didn't know much about what happened. Focused on the doping with very little on the bullying other than showing the Simeoni incident and interviewing him in Italy. Tyler showed how they doped in the hotel rooms (his book is coming out in French soon) and the idiots from ASO (Jean Marie Leblanc and Prudhomme) explained how they had doubts but no proof when Armstrong's 500 tests came back negative. Also touched on Verdruggen and McQuaid, at one point McQuaid is caught on a hidden camera saying that Verdruggen was never "for doping" but he definitely was fervently against "anti-doping", justifying this by the "protecting the sport" logic - and how McQuaid himself didn't agree with this approach.

(I can't get the video to play, was there pressure from the UCI or Armstrong's paid thugs??)

 

[ElChingon]

On Complément d'Enquête last night (France 2) the subject was Lancey-poo.

http://www.france2.fr/emissions/complement-d-enquete/diffusions/21-03-2013_37421

I found it a bit jumbled, but interesting for those who didn't know much about what happened. Focused on the doping with very little on the bullying other than showing the Simeoni incident and interviewing him in Italy. Tyler showed how they doped in the hotel rooms (his book is coming out in French soon) and the idiots from ASO (Jean Marie Leblanc and Prudhomme) explained how they had doubts but no proof when Armstrong's 500 tests came back negative. Also touched on Verdruggen and McQuaid, at one point McQuaid is caught on a hidden camera saying that Verdruggen was never "for doping" but he definately was fervently against "anti-doping", justifying this by the "protecting the sport logic - and how McQuaid himself didn't agree with this approach.

(I can't get the video to play, was there pressure from the UCI or Armstrong's paid thugs??)

That was a great piece on Lance and UCI, was funny at times, sad other times and then funny again when they chased Pat around, wonder why he's running away from the France 2 reporters

Try this link : http://pluzz.francetv.fr/videos/complement_denquete_,78998334.html Got it from

nyvelocity ‏@nyvelocity

Ha! They interview Motoman! http://pluzz.francetv.fr/videos/complement_denquete_,78998334.html …

 

[BroDeal]

Looks like Armstrong's fraud has p!ssed off people as far as North Korea. Austin is on NK's target list. I bet it was those damned socks that were the last straw.

 

[thehog]

Looks like Armstrong's fraud has p!ssed off people as far as North Korea. Austin is on NK's target list. I bet it was those damned socks that were the last straw.

Requires Dennis Rodman to broker a peace deal.

 

[Jack Ruby]

MTV take on Babe Ruth vs Lance Armstrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtO-6Xg3g2M&feature=youtu.be

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Marion Jones commenting on Lance's downfall:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...ce-armstrong-doping-confession_n_2979961.html

Seems like a bad idea that she is still trying to maintain that Victor Conte tricked her into taking THG under the guise that it was really flaxseed oil. She's already lost the lawsuit against him.

 

[MarkvW]

Marion Jones commenting on Lance's downfall:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...ce-armstrong-doping-confession_n_2979961.html

Seems like a bad idea that she is still trying to maintain that Victor Conte tricked her into taking THG under the guise that it was really flaxseed oil. She's already lost the lawsuit against him.

Marion Jones' lawsuit against Conte settled for undisclosed terms.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BALCO-defamation-lawsuit-settled-Olympic-2523297.php

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Marion Jones' lawsuit against Conte settled for undisclosed terms.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/BALCO-defamation-lawsuit-settled-Olympic-2523297.php

Your source looks legit.

Conte says here that he "prevailed" in that case:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cbupM6v6uc

I guess that means the settlement was considerably lower than $25 million.

I'm not a lawyer and never studied anything to do with it at school but I guess the settlement has something to do with elements of defamation rather than the whole "I thought it was flaxseed oil".

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

...Conte says here that he "prevailed" in that case:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cbupM6v6uc

I guess that means the settlement was considerably lower than $25 million."...

In that video, the idiot CNN reporter parrots the Pharmstrong lie, "He did a lot for cancer research" and suggests it is a mitigating factor.


If Lance Armstrong went to jail and Livestrong went away, that would be a huge setback in our war against cancer, right? Not exactly, because the famous nonprofit donates almost nothing to scientific research.

 

[MarkvW]

Your source looks legit.

Conte says here that he "prevailed" in that case:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cbupM6v6uc

I guess that means the settlement was considerably lower than $25 million.

I'm not a lawyer and never studied anything to do with it at school but I guess the settlement has something to do with elements of defamation rather than the whole "I thought it was flaxseed oil".

Marion Jones is not just a perjurer, she's also a thief (convicted of check fraud). If she told me it was raining outside, I'd go out and check for myself. And Victor Conte is little better. However, it makes zero sense (as the federal judge said) that Jones didn't know what she was doing.

 

[frenchfry]

The French Budget Minister just admitted to having a Swiss bank account after agressively denying for months. In some reports he is being compared to Armstrong.

Lancey-poo is the international standard for cheating and lying.

 

[Race Radio]

The Speedos are not too happy to have Lance in the pool......sounds like that scene from Caddyshack

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/armstrong-will-race-again-but-itll-be-swimming-and/nXBzx/

“This whole masters swimming is him trying to sidestep his punishment,” said Cleveland, who owns Hill Country Running and Texas Ironman Multi-Sport Coaching.
“I’ve been an endurance athlete all my life,” Cleveland said. “I’ve taken great joy in discovering my limits, I’ve taken great joy in challenging my limits. It really irks me that (Armstrong) has admitted to doping and he’s shown no remorse.”

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The Speedos are not too happy to have Lance in the pool......sounds like that scene from Caddyshack

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/armstrong-will-race-again-but-itll-be-swimming-and/nXBzx/

Back to where he started. Bets on whether he's doping?