Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[MarkvW]

Phew - I would be worried if you thought things had changed.

Hein is not on the Management Committee, he is an Honorary Member of the UCI, this is so he can still be on the IOC. And even then he is no longer involved, with most of his key people like McQ and Verbiest, Srebel gone too.

And Cookson was a member of the Management Committee since 2009. Not an old boy - and indeed a bit of a mistake by PMcQ.

Hein's on the UCI Management Committee. He is styled it's Honorary President.

 

[Benotti69]

Ya, he is as are most people who have had a licence in the sport.

Most licence holders dont become National Presidents, nor do they get onto the International management committee or do they become UCI President.

Cookson is most definitely an 'old boy'. If he wasnt he wouldn't have got elected. Mike Plant on the management committee tells us that.

 

[Race Radio]

To be fair, Voet couldn't prove his allegation. But that doesn't mean justice was done. Look at the Fed Investigation dropped in USA against all that we know about Armstrong!

UCI and Verbruggen are based in Switzerland where getting access to banking details are difficult.

Agreed, the UCI played their cards right. Who knows what really happened.....But to pretend that others riders got the same level of "Service" from Hein as Lance is just absurd.

 

[BroDeal]

Really? How much did Lance pay for his backdated TUE? How much did Brochard pay for his?

Was Hein involved in Brochard's case? Voet said he was but was sued by UCI.

Willie lost the case and the appeal

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-wins-legal-battle-against-voet

So now getting sued by the UCI is good evidence that someone is not telling the truth. Has anyone informed Kimmage?

Don't worry. I am sure that aside from trying to jack Makarov for $7M, letting Brochard off when he tested positive for lidocaine, and using the teams' anti-doping money to line their own pockets by building a race promotion company, Verbruggen and his pals never stooped to corrupt themselves and the UCI except when it was required to help Armstrong.

 

[MarkvW]

So now getting sued by the UCI is good evidence that someone is not telling the truth. Has anyone informed Kimmage?

Don't worry. I am sure that aside from trying to jack Makarov for $7M, letting Brochard off when he tested positive for lidocaine, and using the teams' anti-doping money to line their own pockets by building a race promotion company, Verbruggen and his pals never stooped to corrupt themselves and the UCI except when it was required to help Armstrong.

Sheeeyit! That last paragraph is in the perfect style of the master himself!!

 

[sniper]

Agreed, the UCI played their cards right. Who knows what really happened.....But to pretend that others riders got the same level of "Service" from Hein as Lance is just absurd.

Dunno.
For example, who really knows what type of protection mapei got in 96.

 

[Benotti69]

Agreed, the UCI played their cards right. Who knows what really happened.....But to pretend that others riders got the same level of "Service" from Hein as Lance is just absurd.

When we dont know what really happened it would be similar to absurd to think Hein wasn't offering 'Service' to others who were wise to keeping schtum. That it didn't happen during the Armstrong era '99-'05 might have meant Armstrong paid more for an exclusive 'service' for July.

Corrupt guys like Hein are greedy. If it worked with 1 rider it would work with others!

 

[Race Radio]

Dunno.
For example, who really knows what type of protection mapei got in 96.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/squinzi-verbruggen-threatened-to-disqualify-mapei

Oh yeah, Squinzi and Verbuggen were great friends

 

[Race Radio]

Sheeeyit! That last paragraph is in the perfect style of the master himself!!

On this we can surely agree.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Hein's on the UCI Management Committee. He is styled it's Honorary President.

And he is not an active member. Very simple.

Most licence holders dont become National Presidents, nor do they get onto the International management committee or do they become UCI President.

Cookson is most definitely an 'old boy'. If he wasnt he wouldn't have got elected. Mike Plant on the management committee tells us that.

That's certainly true. But you appear to be implying that Cookson is indeed somehow corrupt because of his role in either BC or the Mgt Comm.
So, rather than waste anymore time, I would like you to clearly state what it is that Cookson has done.
If you're guessing say so, and yes, I fully expect that it has something more substantial than your opinion.

 

[Race Radio]

So now getting sued by the UCI is good evidence that someone is not telling the truth. Has anyone informed Kimmage?

Don't worry. I am sure that aside from trying to jack Makarov for $7M, letting Brochard off when he tested positive for lidocaine, and using the teams' anti-doping money to line their own pockets by building a race promotion company, Verbruggen and his pals never stooped to corrupt themselves and the UCI except when it was required to help Armstrong.

We know you are just trying to provoke a response but of course you know only one of these things happened under Hein and nobody is pretending Lance as the only person to play the corruption game with Hein.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So now getting sued by the UCI is good evidence that someone is not telling the truth. Has anyone informed Kimmage?

Don't worry. I am sure that aside from trying to jack Makarov for $7M, letting Brochard off when he tested positive for lidocaine, and using the teams' anti-doping money to line their own pockets by building a race promotion company, Verbruggen and his pals never stooped to corrupt themselves and the UCI except when it was required to help Armstrong.

That's pretty deep Bro, you appear the only one to think that.
Good luck with it.

 

[Benotti69]

.......I coundnt give a **** about what you guess.

.............
If you're guessing say so.........

Not feeling yourself?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not feeling yourself?

I asked you to link and you guessed.
I allowed you to guess and you offer nothing.
Oh well.

 

[Benotti69]

I asked you to link and you guessed.
I allowed you to guess and you offer nothing.
Oh well.

Stop vortexing!

You said "I coundnt give a **** about what you guess" and then you want me to guess?

Careful with the baiting.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Dunno.
For example, who really knows what type of protection mapei got in 96.

Well, how much protection did they need for an (at the time) undetectable, game-changing drug?

Plus, Lefevere is a bit of a loose cannon and likely know where some bodies are buried.

 

[kingjr]

Stop vortexing!

You said "I coundnt give a **** about what you guess" and then you want me to guess?

Careful with the baiting.

So do you have links or are you just waffling?

 

[Hugh Januss]

We know you are just trying to provoke a response but of course you know only one of these things happened under Hein and nobody is pretending Lance as the only person to play the corruption game with Hein.

I'd be willing to bet that anything McQuaid was involved with was with Hein's approval and benefited Hein as well.
That said, clearly LA gained the most from a close "personal relationship" with the duo when compared to any of his competition. Hell even their outside business ventures were so intertwined as to be a total conflict of interest.

 

[Granville57]

The argument used to be that the stalwarts had to keep reposting the same counter arguments because PS interns and groupies would otherwise bury the actual anti-mythical facts deep in the thread. We're well past that point now.

Yes, but now it's much more blatant. We're now at a point where Armstrong himself is offering his new narrative directly to the masses, with the full complicity of CN. All of this—in this particular case—under the guise of a "tribute" to a deceased doper of great fame.

Is it any surprise that such a comedy show elicits mocking derision from many of those who have been following this fairy tale from the start?

Speaking only for myself here:
I'd be more than happy if Armstrong were to simply go away, in silence, and that his name would never be mentioned during a race broadcast again. And god forbid his likeness wouldn't appear prominently on the cover of any cycling magazine or homepage for, say...at least a year. I'd be fine with all of that.

But no, anyone who desires to maintain any interest in the sport of cycling is subjected to the media's endless addiction to All-Things-Lance. As has been clearly stated by many, Lance's greatest fear would seem to be irrelevancy, so he's doing everything within his grasp to avoid that. I don't consider one, single thing that he does to be genuine, sincere, or heartfelt. He's doing what he has always done: Looking out for Lance. The rest is all BS. Call me cynical.


Pointing out the transparency of his attempts to stay relevant is entertainment for me. The only downside is the ease of doing so. It really doesn't offer much of a challenge. But in my spare time, I still get a kick out of it. Some people prefer to watch sitcoms.

And like waiting for that final episode of Breaking Bad, I'm curious to see where and when this will all end. I doubt there will be too many surprises left, but it's always fun to watch a bully squirm.

So as long as Armstrong continues to get the attention he so deeply and desperately craves, I have no problem poking holes in his futile attempt to vindicate himself.

It really is as simple as that, for me.

 

[Hugh Januss]

So do you have links or are you just waffling?

Only an idiot leaves evidence of his crooked dealings lying about. Cookson doesn't seem to be an idiot, unlike some others. Why don't we agree to stop hounding BenOtto about suspicions he is voicing and hope that by doing that he (and Dr Mas) won't need to go on for another hundred posts about (current) nonexistent evidence.

 

[Race Radio]

I'd be willing to bet that anything McQuaid was involved with was with Hein's approval and benefited Hein as well.
That said, clearly LA gained the most from a close "personal relationship" with the duo when compared to any of his competition. Hell even their outside business ventures were so intertwined as to be a total conflict of interest.

loved those e-mails Pat used to send out that were clearly not written by a native English speaker, Pat the puppet.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Really? How much did Lance pay for his backdated TUE? How much did Brochard pay for his?

Was Hein involved in Brochard's case? Voet said he was but was sued by UCI.

Willie lost the case and the appeal

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-wins-legal-battle-against-voet

Couldn't whoever(say USADA) subpeona Hein and force him to tell the truth?

 

[Race Radio]

Couldn't whoever(say USADA) subpeona Hein and force him to tell the truth?

If Armstrong had taken it to arbitration they would have limited supeona power but no way Hein shows up

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'd be willing to bet that anything McQuaid was involved with was with Hein's approval and benefited Hein as well.
That said, clearly LA gained the most from a close "personal relationship" with the duo when compared to any of his competition. Hell even their outside business ventures were so intertwined as to be a total conflict of interest.

+1 This is the most important part of the doping story and has not been told.


So as long as Armstrong continues to get the attention he so deeply and desperately craves, I have no problem poking holes in his futile attempt to vindicate himself.

+1 I have no problem with CN posting the story. They want page views, I like knocking down the image rehabilitation attempts.

I checked the comments on that story. Wonderboy still has some fans!

 

[Benotti69]

Only an idiot leaves evidence of his crooked dealings lying about. Cookson doesn't seem to be an idiot, unlike some others. Why don't we agree to stop hounding BenOtto about suspicions he is voicing and hope that by doing that he (and Dr Mas) won't need to go on for another hundred posts about (current) nonexistent evidence.

Cheers HJ, seems some people are not allowed to voice suspicion, speculation, opinion, guestimations without someone wanting to vortex it.

I mean its not like this sport doesn't have a history