Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Oldman]

Which, BTW grosses Rose over $1 million USD. The good news is Wonderboy was a cyclist, so no sports memorabillia (sp???) show would be interested.

He could be a shop geek at MJ's. He'd hate it, he'd hate the customers and discover that bike shops live on pennies per dollar profit.

He should just turn Johnny's into a good ol' Texas bar and put some framed jersies behind a chicken wire enclosure. Charge patrons $5 a pop for throwing beer bottles at it instead of the band.

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

All of these things were foretold...disclosure, denial, Oprah, "reconciliations", more denial. I feel strongly he'll be elbowing Pete Rose for table space in the Caesar's Palace Forum Shops sport memorabilia location.
I'll pay him to sign my book....

Actually it's the Mirage....

 

[Scott SoCal]

Any action will not take his savings to zero. The courts, in practice, never do. There are State protections, and only Armstrong knows where and how many different ways substantial wealth is hidden.

Unfortunately, we will never see him being an Oakley rep selling sunglasses. I know I'd hire him for sales, but I'd constantly worry about the guy selling my business out from under me.

Well, it depends. I'd imagine the govt conducting an asset search will uncover most if not all of LA's efforts to hide money or assets that can be converted to money.

Additionally, if LA can't pay the settlement then earned income can and likely will be garnished. He's nowhere near old enough to access whatever he may have stashed in retirement accounts (if anything).

If successful, the case will likely devastate LA and unlike Rose, if LA is short of the amount, anything he makes on an earned income basis will theoretically be reduced substantially through the garnish process.

At this stage I'd guess there have been some tense conversations with Weisel (assuming LA has dirt on him).

 

[frenchfry]

My opinion, but Hamilton has zero credibility and even more important, zero platform if Landis doesn't blow the lid off.

Additionally, Landis maybe isn't as furious with Lance and JB if Lance just sticks to golf after his first retirement.

I'm of the opinion that LA totally screwed the pooch coming out (for a ton of money) of retirement. To me, THAT was the height of his hubris.

Agree on all points. The comeback was the defining moment.

Landis was an important catalyst in getting tthe truth out, but without the comeback it would have taken a lot longer and may never have happened.

If Lance had of given Floyd a ride it probably wouldn't have lasted long anyway and wouldn't have made much difference.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

At this stage I'd guess there have been some tense conversations with Weisel (assuming LA has dirt on him).[/QUOTE]

Reservoir Dogs 2.0.

They have shlt on each other. Weisel can write a check. So can Lance.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

A few thoughts-

1) No one has asked Armstrong what he thought of poisoning his body with PED's after his cancer diagnosis. It doesn't seem to enter into his thought process, yet it seems an important question that deserves clarification.

If he was so willing to play with his health in such an extreme fashion, it's no wonder he was so vindictive and cruel to people he considered his enemies.

2) The silence from Chris Carmichael and Bob Roll has been rather deafening.

3) The contention that he would have gotten away with it had he not come back in 2009 is rather dubious. His comeback was just part of a bunch of dominoes that fell into place at the worst possible time for him.

If Landis had been offered a job by Bruyneel or if Armstrong had helped him find a place with a continental pro team, there was still the matter of Tyler Hamilton, who I believe was always going to publish his book, eventually opening up the can of worms that we refer to as "The Armstrong Lie".

Who knows if Hamilton would have been taken as seriously or if he would have been marginalized out of existence if Floyd had not dropped his bombshell first. On it's own "The Secret Race" is still a pretty damning picture of the culture of doping that existed at the time, but it's gravitas definitely increased due to the Landis allegations.

I have to say - its almost disturbing how quickly things get forgotten.

2 years ago he had "got away with it" when the Feds closed the case. Even after he was banned there was enough confusion for the general public not to be able make sense of it, which hunt? Clean, dirty, does it matter? etc

Certainly, Landis was the big turning point - but in exposing Lance all the pieces mattered, it was a collective.
If Landis did what he did in 2010 and LA was not back, Landis would have been crushed by LA as people would say it was old news, LA the hero is retired, get over it etc
What saved Landis from being on his own was that there was a FED investigation already underway. No Feds and most stay silent and Landis would have been hung out to dry.

Tyler said in his book he would not have come forward and outed LA except the FEDs came knocking.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Actually it's the Mirage....

THis never gets old
I believe this will come to pass….

I never would have believed he would go on Oprah..

 

[Race Radio]

Global victory tour continues

 

[mewmewmew13]

Travis looking debonair as usual

 

[MarkvW]

It's a civil action. They can make him insolvent (take everything he has) and lien him for anything he might ever make until the awarded amount is met. Think OJ Simpson v Goldman and Brown Families.

Only tax qualified monies would be untouchable. If the Feds win they will likely ruin Lance now and the next couple of decades or more.

My point was that various factors indicate that the feds might settle for less than the max amount they could possibly get. Litigation is expensive, and there is always some inherent risk. There's a reason most cases don't go to trial.

 

[MarkvW]

Tim Herman has committed to defending Lance right up until his last cent.

Tim Herman is Lance's pet lawyer.

 

[86TDFWinner]

They are working on that.
note: we weren't paid a dime for being interviewed

Thanks for the info.

 

[86TDFWinner]

At this stage I'd guess there have been some tense conversations with Weisel (assuming LA has dirt on him)

Which we all know he does pretty much. I think that's why Weisel has distanced himself from Wonderboy.

2) The silence from Chris Carmichael and Bob Roll has been rather deafening.

I've brought it up here before about CC, and I don't "get" how he still hasn't been popped, and how he continues making money, w/folks knowing what they know about him.

As for Roll, do you think he knew from the jump that Wonderboy was doping? if so, he definitely needs to be scorned ala Ligget.

 

[TexPat]

Which, BTW grosses Rose over $1 million USD. The good news is Wonderboy was a cyclist, so no sports memorabillia (sp???) show would be interested.

He could be a shop geek at MJ's. He'd hate it, he'd hate the customers and discover that bike shops live on pennies per dollar profit.

I'm holding hope that he'll have a real job one day, which would be particularly satisfying to me, but aggravating for him.

 

[TexPat]

Which we all know he does pretty much. I think that's why Weisel has distanced himself from Wonderboy.



I've brought it up here before about CC, and I don't "get" how he still hasn't been popped, and how he continues making money, w/folks knowing what they know about him.

As for Roll, do you think he knew from the jump that Wonderboy was doping? if so, he definitely needs to be scorned ala Ligget.

Bob Roll was simply another mouthpiece for the swindle. He can get stuffed.
I'd bet money he did plenty of the sauce back in his day.

 

[MarkvW]

Which we all know he does pretty much. I think that's why Weisel has distanced himself from Wonderboy.



I've brought it up here before about CC, and I don't "get" how he still hasn't been popped, and how he continues making money, w/folks knowing what they know about him.

As for Roll, do you think he knew from the jump that Wonderboy was doping? if so, he definitely needs to be scorned ala Ligget.

I would expect that the only thing Lance "has" on Weisel is Lance's own testimony--and I can't think of anything more worthless than that. Lance could be cross examined for hours and hours on all the different lies that he has told over the years. Then there's the question: 'Why in the world would Lance make up a story that would implicate Thom Weisel?' The answer's pretty obvious: Millions of dollars. And I'm pretty confident that there's no paper trail leading from dope suppliers to Weisel. The feds didn't even bring a case against Weisel (Floyd's still suing him, though).

Bob Roll is as untrustworthy as they come. There will always be a spot in professional cycling commentary for him.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Bob Roll was simply another mouthpiece for the swindle. He can get stuffed.
I'd bet money he did plenty of the sauce back in his day.

I think you're right my friend. The book Wheelmen practically admits it, says that Och and others were already using doping on the 7 eleven team(iirc).

 

[Granville57]

As for Roll, do you think he knew from the jump that Wonderboy was doping?

Bob Roll was simply another mouthpiece for the swindle. He can get stuffed.

Hey kids, let's step back into the Time Machine again!

Back in 2011, Sports Illustrated had just released their long-awaited, much-anticipated, exposé about the underbelly of the Armstrong myth.
(Damn, looking back at that thread now, the trolling was off the hook, and no one was quite sure just when, or if, the truth about Armstrong would ever be fully exposed. Only three years ago. My-oh-my, how things have changed.)

Also back then, the Versus sports network use to have their own web presence (before getting gobbled up by NBC). As luck would have it, Bob Roll posted his own, personal, rebuttal to the SI piece, in a short video. Despicable, really. He knew, better than most, exactly what had fueled Lance to all those "victories." The guy should've been run out of the sport a long time ago for his complicity in selling the myth.

The Versus site is no longer there, and I couldn't find the clip online (after only the very briefest of searches). But that's OK!
Back when it came out, someone was kind enough to transcribe it for us.

As I posted the other day about CVV—the internet really does suck for some of these jokers.
Enjoy.

Enough of this idiocy.

Is Bobke so truly pathetic that he thinks we are all complete and total morons?

I transcribed Bob Roll's ridiculous response to the SI article so that we can be clear about what he said and parse those words if need be. No wonder very few people want to speak openly about doping when this kind of myth-reinforcement is what they have to contend with. Congratulations, Bob. I hope you get subpoenaed too. Try telling your fairy tales to the Grand Jury.

Here it is, verbatim:

“Well, in recent weeks, the rumor mill has been grinding away...and it was said that Sports Illustrated had a huge exposé on the career of Lance Armstrong, most specifically the recent allegations—I guess they’re about a year-old by now—of Floyd Landis.

“And I found the expectations to be riding high that this uh, article by Sports Illustrated was going to be a huge, new set of revelations. Unfortunately, very disappointingly, Sports Illustrated didn’t have any new information, and they have rehashed all of the testimony, and all of the statements we’ve heard before, from all of the principal players.

“Nothing new under the sun, and I think that Sports Illustrated might have confused the Yellow Jersey for “yellow journalism.” A horrible story.

“I’m not sure if the authors were payed by the word but they should spread the wealth around because they didn’t use their words, they used the words of people we’ve already heard from. And uh…nothing new on that front. Very disappointing that Sports Illustrated would uh, try to sell some papers because of this. Another round of accusations that Lance Armstrong and the U.S. Postal and Discovery teams…it doesn’t seem as if there’s anything new under the sun there.

“We’ll have to wait and see what uh, Jeff Novitsky and the “FDA” can come up with. But so far, after a <chuckle> long, researched and rumored article, nothing from <chuckle> Sports Illustrated. They need to go back to the drawing board and uh, look for some facts that maybe we could talk about.”

That Bobke vid was pretty pathetic. I'm not going to waste the bandwidth commenting anymore on it. He must take us all for fools.

He obviously takes himself for a fool.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Good stuff, thanks. ^^^^

 

[Granville57]

I did dig up this little pony show from Bobke though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3tKnQ31W6U

Classic. He's got all the right talking points down pat. But do I perceive just a wee bit of nervousness towards the end? Yes, Bob, that sound you hear is a leak in the dam.


Then I just came across this post. It was directed at Hitch, in the Froome thread. But...um...eh...

Do you realise that when you bring up what someone said two years ago you don't come across as some great debater as you think, but us some massively creepy guy who keeps dossiers on people so he can get small wins on the internet. It's almost sociopathic behaviour. You seriously creep me out.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Bob Roll was simply another mouthpiece for the swindle. He can get stuffed.
I'd bet money he did plenty of the sauce back in his day.

This would be my take on Roll.
think about it..always the apologist and he's had a man-crush on Lance from day one.

I can't help but think that on some of those long, 'comeback from cancer' rides that they chatted..Lance didn't particularly hide his usage from those he was close to..

Roll has totally gone under a cloak of silence…did he ever make a single comment after the RD?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Tim Herman is Lance's pet lawyer.

Here's the thing with Herman. On his advice LA has taken two predictably losing cases to the courts with the predictable losing results.

Firstly, the case to the federal US District Court in 2012 (Judge Sparks) that tried to argue USADA had no jurisdiction to sanction LA. A reading of all the legislation that established USADA and its role in doping arbitrations, made it obvious USADA had jurisdiction over Armstrong (however perhaps not some other players).

Secondly, the application to the Texas District Court that the arbitration panel in the SCA case could not revisit the fraud issue on the basis of Armstrong's confession to Oprah. Armstrong himself made an application to the Panel after the settlement to sanction SCA, clearly an admission post-settlement that the Panel had jurisdiction. So it is no wonder Judge Parker ruled as she did on 02/25/14 for that among other reasons.

One really has to question the legal strategy and advice of Herman. Had he negotiated terms with USADA in the late summer of 2012, LA may have received an 8 year ban for cycling and no ban for other Olympic sports such as triathlon. However LA was too arrogant to see the writing on the wall. Oh well, hindsight!

I recently watched some video of LA's performance during deposition in the original SCA hearing and it is fairly obvious (in my opinion) LA is not the brightest star on the planet. He answers questions predominantly with a phoney indignation, arrogance and hubris, that anyone would deign to suggest he doped, knowing all along he was lying. His body language is interesting especially his habit of pushing his tongue against his cheeks when he answers a relevant question.

At this stage LA is reaping what he sowed!

 

[mewmewmew13]

nice 'uhs' from Bobke ^^^^^

bravo for the transcription Gville

 

[mewmewmew13]

I did dig up this little pony show from Bobke though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3tKnQ31W6U

Classic. He's got all the right talking points down pat. But do I perceive just a wee bit of nervousness towards the end? Yes, Bob, that sound you hear is a leak in the dam.


Then I just came across this post. It was directed at Hitch, in the Froome thread. But...um...eh...

That makes me ill.
Talking Points Engaged:
"…most tested..500..500…500…!!"
"something that happened SO LONG AGO"
"What are the Motives of USADA?…"
*chuckle* *chuckle*

I used to think Bob was funny..now I just find him creepy in an Anti Uncle Fester sort of way

 

[Granville57]

Roll has totally gone under a cloak of silence…did he ever make a single comment after the RD?

No need to when he's quoting gems like these on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/bobkeroll

A retweet from the Dalai Lama:

Leading your life honestly and truthfully will create trust and friendship.

And this one too:

Anger and hatred lead to fear; compassion and concern for others allow us to develop self-confidence, which breeds trust and friendship.

Or this quote from Martin Luther King:

The time is always right to do what is right.

This one would appear to be a Bob Roll "original" tweet
https://twitter.com/bobkeroll/status/420739485198860289

The road to spiritual emptiness is paved with delusions of our own piety

Well, well, well...