Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Wallace and Gromit]

Calm it down please, chaps. Thanks.

Chewie - When you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Calm it down please, chaps. Thanks.

Chewie - When you're in a hole, stop digging.

When I'm in a hole, I ask for someone to bring me a pick ax.

Why is hog allowed to bring Bieber between us?

Good post Chewie.

 

[Race Radio]

I ask again, why are you allowed to fire at him, regardless of the tone, and he isn't allowed reply to you?

You are imaging things again Digger

 

[Digger]

You are imaging things again Digger

I think we both know the truth here RR...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

You guys would do well in 'As the world turns'.

 

[kingjr]

I think we both know the truth here RR...

The truth is that the one person who keeps getting away with his BS is thehog. The latest example being on the previous page.

 

[Granville57]

I'm exhausted

 

[elizab]

Correct re: Betsy.
Cathy LeMond told some interesting stories which cannot be validated.

So pulling perjury out of that mess would be impossible. In hindsight it sounded like a group of school friends recollecting about who slept with who during high school. Just gossip.

Kathy was off on a couple of things e.g. lance asked axel for epo and jodi told me. I told that to kathy but he mistakenly said lance asked frankie in his deposition. there was another one but I can't remember off the top of my head.

Armstrong showed up at my deposition so he could remind Alex to put that clip in his film (soothsayer what can I say?) because I was looking so good back then.
Had I only known......

 

[86TDFWinner]

Then there was the Oakley rep. Frankie's depo is a total mystery. Armstrong calling everyone up beforehand was brainless behaviour. What was he thinking?

That's what MANY have asked, but he still trudges through, doing stupid things. Plus, I doubt anyone here believes a shred of anything anyone working for Oakley says, same w/Nike/Trek/Michelob/etc/etc. They've all covered up the BS Wonderboy has spewed for over a decade, to pad their own pockets, fully knowing what that ******bag did.

And Cathy LeMond told some interesting stories which cannot be validated.

HOWEVER, We moreso SHOULD believe, and most likely they ARE true or "validated", due to the overwhelming amount of evidence against the doper. He(Wonderboy)systematically tried ruining many lives to cover up his own doping, and stopped at nothing to bully, intimidate, mock, sue, etc., ANYONE who stood in his way. Plus, I think MANY here believe what Kathy/Greg/Betsy and others NOT named Wonderboy/Hincapie say. They have too much credibility IMO to be wrong, or try to gain anything from lying.

So pulling perjury out of that mess would be impossible. In hindsight it sounded like a group of school friends recollecting about who slept with who during high school. Just gossip.

Well not really. He's most certainly perjured himself, we all know this, he refuses to testify, and be deposed, and he's perjured himself a few times, when he was asked UNDER OATH if he doped, and he denied denied denied. Only now, when the truth has come out, is he scrambling for any kind of safe haven(so to speak), and not get busted.

Why do you think he refuses to testify, or be deposed? is it because he knows he'll be busted for lying? The SOL as an excuse is just that, an excuse, as we've all seen in the last year+ that when it comes to Wonderboy, SOL don't mean anything. He can(and likely WILL) get busted for something, pertaining/related to perjury IMO. He and his band of merry idiots he calls Lawyers know all of this.


Just my opinion.

 

[thehog]

Why do you think he refuses to testify, or be deposed? is it because he knows he'll be busted for lying? The SOL as an excuse is just that, an excuse, as we've all seen in the last year+ that when it coems to Wonderboy, SOL don't mean anything. He can(and likely WILL) get busted for something, pertaining/related to perjury IMO. He and his band or merry idiots he calls Lawyers know all of this.


Just my opinion.

He doesn't fear perjury. Lying at SCA is small fry.

What he does fear is the $100m steel rod rammed through him in the QT & the potential of criminal charges resulting from that.

He cannot put anything on the record until he's at the door of the QT. He has limited cards to play (Weisel, Och, Hein) and will plead those out with some cash.

In the scheme of things & terms of relevance, SCA means little. He won't depose himself and will settle under a financed deal.

Saving his ---- is the goal. Trust me he's not strategising this on the fly. The point of confessing was he no longer needs to protect a reputation. That was always getting in his way. Whilst some like to think his legal strategy is poor, it's not bad considering the big black hole he is staring down.

My take he'll be crushed. He still doesn't know what evidence the Feds have and how much they know.

 

[MarkvW]

He doesn't fear perjury. Lying at SCA is small fry.

What he does fear is the $100m steel rod rammed through him in the QT & the potential of criminal charges resulting from that.

He cannot put anything on the record until he's at the door of the QT. He has limited cards to play (Weisel, Och, Hein) and will plead those out with some cash.

In the scheme of things & terms of relevance, SCA means little. He won't depose himself and will settle under a financed deal.

Saving his ---- is the goal. Trust me he's not strategising this on the fly. The point of confessing was he no longer needs to protect a reputation. That was always getting in his way. Whilst some like to think his legal strategy is poor, it's not bad considering the big black hole he is staring down.

My take he'll be crushed. He still doesn't know what evidence the Feds have and how much they know.

It's been said here that Lance spurned a $17M offer from the feds (from the Macur book). I don't think he's afraid of a $100M judgment. Maybe he's afraid of losing a much smaller amount? Maybe Lance's finances are quite a bit more delicate.

I've seen no sign that Lance is a strategic mastermind. Very, very much to the contrary.

The SCA perjury appears to be time barred by the statute of limitations. If he contradicts that, he's not risking anything. Heck, he's already contradicted that on Oprah! Are you aware of any other sworn testimony out there?

 

[sittingbison]

Gentle(wo)men,
please stick to discussing the topic (in this case wonderboy), and the content of posts. I have deleted a swag of off topic and insulting drivel.

Oh, and BTW I will be dealing with ANY reference to child abuse/molestation with extreme prejudice. Capiche?

cheers
bison

 

[Merckx index]

It's been said here that Lance spurned a $17M offer from the feds (from the Macur book). I don't think he's afraid of a $100M judgment. Maybe he's afraid of losing a much smaller amount? Maybe Lance's finances are quite a bit more delicate.

It was reported as $18.5 million. But she also reported that he offered them $13 million. His finances can’t be that delicate if he was able to offer them that much, before the SCA case has been finished, no less. I doubt the $5 million difference is make or break with him, particularly when the longer it goes unsettled, the more in legal bills he has to pay. Sounds to me more likely to be his gamble that in the end he won’t be asked to give that much.

However, I wonder if these figures are correct. If they are, I would think they would settle. $5 million is not so far apart. Hard to think either side wants to go to court when they have a chance to settle in some range between those two offers. The Feds shouldn't mind settling, because still have other deep pockets to go after, particularly Weisel. They wouldn't have offered $18.5 million out of a potentially $100 million windfall unless they thought they could get the rest of the money elsewhere. And from LA's point of view, it gives him the opportunity to go to court instead of settling with SCA, since the only thing that’s holding him back is the fear of testifying before the federal case is over.

Think about it. By paying an extra amount of maximum $5 million, and probably somewhat less, he could a) finish the federal case and any worry about being on the hook for the whole $100 million; and b) avoid paying SCA the $12 million or so they want, and potentially paying less in court. Whatever extra amount he paid to the feds might save him paying a lot more to them in court, as well as paying still more in a settlement with SCA.

So it seems to me there’s something more going on. The $18.5 million was contingent on testifying against Bruyneel. Maybe he really doesn’t want to do that. I wonder if he and JB are having any communication/coordination over their various legal suits?

 

[DirtyWorks]

It was reported as $18.5 million. But she also reported that he offered them $13 million. His finances can’t be that delicate if he was able to offer them that much, before the SCA case has been finished, no less. I doubt the $5 million difference is make or break with him, particularly when the longer it goes unsettled,

It's all talk.

It is one thing to lose, it is entirely another to collect. Buried some pages back is how it's done and it is summarized as Armstrong pays pennies on the dollar, not much more.

$5 million is not so far apart.

To Wonderboy, it would be a loss. Not acceptable. He's a champion after all.

So it seems to me there’s something more going on.

Lance is a winner. That's all you need to know.

A reminder of Landis' comments regarding manufactured tax shelters that, as an allegation, never took off. Don't be surprised if he's flying commercial and not working another day in his life.

Yeah, that JB thing is a mystery.

 

[MarkvW]

It was reported as $18.5 million. But she also reported that he offered them $13 million. His finances can’t be that delicate if he was able to offer them that much, before the SCA case has been finished, no less. I doubt the $5 million difference is make or break with him, particularly when the longer it goes unsettled, the more in legal bills he has to pay. Sounds to me more likely to be his gamble that in the end he won’t be asked to give that much.

However, I wonder if these figures are correct. If they are, I would think they would settle. $5 million is not so far apart. Hard to think either side wants to go to court when they have a chance to settle in some range between those two offers. The Feds shouldn't mind settling, because still have other deep pockets to go after, particularly Weisel. They wouldn't have offered $18.5 million out of a potentially $100 million windfall unless they thought they could get the rest of the money elsewhere. And from LA's point of view, it gives him the opportunity to go to court instead of settling with SCA, since the only thing that’s holding him back is the fear of testifying before the federal case is over.

Think about it. By paying an extra amount of maximum $5 million, and probably somewhat less, he could a) finish the federal case and any worry about being on the hook for the whole $100 million; and b) avoid paying SCA the $12 million or so they want, and potentially paying less in court. Whatever extra amount he paid to the feds might save him paying a lot more to them in court, as well as paying still more in a settlement with SCA.

So it seems to me there’s something more going on. The $18.5 million was contingent on testifying against Bruyneel. Maybe he really doesn’t want to do that. I wonder if he and JB are having any communication/coordination over their various legal suits?

If Lance and Bruyneel were working together, they could jointly negotiate a deal with the feds. All the feds are after is money. They'd surely be more than happy to settle out with two defendants, rather than just one--especially if they get their money up front. Bottom line is that it's just a matter of numbers. If Bruynell doesn't want to pony up a reasonable amount, then Lance shouldn't have any problem testifying against Johan because in that instance Johan would be doing Lance wrong.

I don't see how Lance can avoid depositions in the federal case. If he has to testify truthfully in the federal case, what does it cost him--extra--to testify truthfully in the other cases? There must be some really serious potential liability out there. I've got my theory, but it is the purest speculation.

Maybe Lance is afraid to testify because he doesn't want to risk exposing his hidden assets, or alternatively risk lying about them?

Or maybe Lance is just an emotional and impulsive person of limited intellect?

 

[Race Radio]

Or maybe Lance is just an emotional and impulsive person of limited intellect?

Yup.....and as he will tell you he ain't no rat. Unless your name is Thom Weisel, Hein Verbruggen, Pat McQuaid, Iban Mayo, Tyler Hamilton......well you get the point

 

[Stingray34]

Yup.....and as he will tell you he ain't no rat. Unless your name is Thom Weisel, Hein Verbruggen, Pat McQuaid, Iban Mayo, Tyler Hamilton......well you get the point

Maybe he means he ain't no Judas because, being Cancer Jesus, he's not likely to ever rat on himself to a centurion called Tygart.

 

[Stingray34]

Does anyone know if Lance tweeted congrats to McConnaughy after his Oscar win? Or is it more of a Taylor Swift 'We're never ever ever never getting back together again' kinda thing?

Ah, the days of running shirtless with ipods...forever in our memories.

 

[thehog]

Does anyone know if Lance tweeted congrats to McConnaughy after his Oscar win? Or is it more of a Taylor Swift 'We're never ever ever never getting back together again' kinda thing?

Ah, the days of running shirtless with ipods...forever in our memories.

Gone are those days. Shined up tans.

Could you imagine Froome going for a jog with Russell Crowe?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Gone are those days. Shined up tans.

Could you imagine Froome going for a jog with Russell Crowe?

Froome would have gone for jogs with Oscar, surely? Russel is a New Zealander.

 

[Stingray34]

Gone are those days. Shined up tans.

Could you imagine Froome going for a jog with Russell Crowe?

In my time I have known people that would pay good money for a show like that. Big on little, tanned on fair. Human on alien. You get the drift.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Froome would have gone for jogs with Oscar, surely? Russel is a New Zealander.

New Zealand isn't one of the British Isles? Who knew? G'day mate, pip pip, cheereo, blimey.

 

[thehog]

Froome would have gone for jogs with Oscar, surely? Russel is a New Zealander.

I always laughed that Crowe was Australian when winning and Oscar but became Kiwi when putting telephones through a wall.

 

[86TDFWinner]

It's been said here that Lance spurned a $17M offer from the feds (from the Macur book). I don't think he's afraid of a $100M judgment. Maybe he's afraid of losing a much smaller amount? Maybe Lance's finances are quite a bit more delicate.

I've seen no sign that Lance is a strategic mastermind. Very, very much to the contrary.

The SCA perjury appears to be time barred by the statute of limitations. If he contradicts that, he's not risking anything. Heck, he's already contradicted that on Oprah! Are you aware of any other sworn testimony out there?

Pardon me for not understanding here my friend, but what/why was he offered the $17 Mill for exactly for the book? What/why was it offered for is what I'm asking?

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Pardon me for not understanding here my friend, but what/why was he offered the $17 Mill for exactly for the book? What/why was it offered for is what I'm asking?

Offered to settle the case for 17 mil.