Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[ultimobici]

You seen his suits? I'm not sure he spent any of that money. And he's filing paper work. Paralegal duties. There's no billing going on here.

Just because a paralegal does the work doesn't mean that the law firm doesn't charge. They just charge at a lower rate!

 

[elizab]

veep

Speaking of ridiculing, anyone watch Veep on HBO? The vice president is campaigning and about to sign a graffiti/autograph wall at a fictional google-like company- is directed away by her staff from a space under a Ron Jeremy autograph, moves over to a blank space near an Armstrong autograph and is quickly pulled away in a rushed and embarrassed manner by her host, "we're having that erased" or sandblasted, or something. Quick and pointed. Wish I could find a clip.

someone posted this on my facebook page on april 28. I don't know if it'll show up here but if it doesn't my page is public and you can watch it there. Under a woman named annnieborntorun (close enough) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10203669601531071&set=vb.1548003347&type=2&theater it's 25 seconds.

 

[elizab]

Nobody believes him.

If it were true he wouldn't be conspiring with Hincapie and the Detroit press to slander Frankie or getting 'ol pal Rick Reilly to interview him in his den....

He would talk to Walsh, Kimmage, Betsy and Tygart......

Armstrong still trying desperately to control the narrative. That boat has sailed.

Exactly, Benotti! Now that he has Jamie Fuller, Emma, & Scott Mercier on his side as well as books from George & Emma coming out who will be sympathetic to him e.g. he didn't make me do it, he's a victim of the system, etc. he thinks that's enough to help in recreating his image and rewriting history.

On another note, this guy is hilarious! Cosmo's latest recap is the funniest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9S4fwPR1-k

 

[elizab]

That theory would seem to be true only if Lance is convinced he's going to run out of money. Which would mean (contrary to what Rick Reilly says) that Lance is unhappy

But then that would make Lance unhappy, wouldn't it? And would thus make Rick Reilly a gullible sycophant (once again).

Correction, MarkW - Reilly was never a gullible sycophant. He just didn't care. It was too fun hanging out with the celebrity athlete.

 

[thehog]

Weisel didn't know anything. He was fooled too.



http://www.sfgate.com/art/article/Thomas-Weisel-high-finance-banker-high-quality-5450065.php?#page-1

That is truly awesome. You know times a tough when partner in crime washes his hands from you.

Just as well Lance is happy, right?

 

[thehog]

Welcome back, Hog.

Thank-you. Very kind of you.

Think this thread is stuck on 'repeat'. We have established Armstrong is a bad guy, right?

Or maybe it's needs repeating or maybe we can go deeper and discuss more?

 

[thehog]

Just because a paralegal does the work doesn't mean that the law firm doesn't charge. They just charge at a lower rate!

Tim went back to his old firm. But he won't be charging Armstrong. Why would he? He was paid on round 1 of SCA. Substantially. He and they won't be charging for something that they will settle at the 11th hour.

Make SCA come get their bad bet back. Make them work for it and accept less. It's the only strategy that remains. And he may get lucky. Knowing Bob he'll probably strike out again.

 

[Race Radio]

Tim went back to his old firm. But he won't be charging Armstrong. Why would he? He was paid on round 1 of SCA. Substantially. He and they won't be charging for something that they will settle at the 11th hour.

Make SCA come get their bad bet back. Make them work for it and accept less. It's the only strategy that remains. And he may get lucky. Knowing Bob he'll probably strike out again.

His old firm?

Armstrong has three firms working the SCA case. They all doing it for free? The appeals are being managed by a firm that specializes in appeals......Todd Smith working for free?

 

[Benotti69]

Tim went back to his old firm. But he won't be charging Armstrong. Why would he? He was paid on round 1 of SCA. Substantially. He and they won't be charging for something that they will settle at the 11th hour.

Make SCA come get their bad bet back. Make them work for it and accept less. It's the only strategy that remains. And he may get lucky. Knowing Bob he'll probably strike out again.

You know Bob? Strike out again? How many times has your mate Bob struck out? Must be down to his last few $s what with so many strike outs hey?

 

[thehog]

You know Bob? Strike out again? How many times has your mate Bob struck out? Must be down to his last few $s what with so many strike outs hey?

I know Bobs track record. Has a tendency of giving away millions with a no claw back policy to a sport with a doping problem.

Smart guy. I think you'll agree he's a better Bridge player than a sport insurer of cycling.

Man did he not do his homework.

 

[stutue]

So just how many suits has Armstrong got on at the moment, and how many possible for the future?

Must be nearing the end of this phase.

What next? Self-help guru? Chat show host? Ice-cream van driver?

 

[frenchfry]

Weisel didn't know anything. He was fooled too.



http://www.sfgate.com/art/article/Thomas-Weisel-high-finance-banker-high-quality-5450065.php?#page-1

This guy is a real piece of work.

He should ask for a refund for the drugs he is assuredly taking to look younger. He looks about 90.

 

[Merckx index]

Cycling (and funding the U.S. team) was maybe a half a 1 percent of my life.

Like maybe a nanosecond, Thom?

That nanosecond when you were helping LA backdate the TUE?

Or telling Greg to back off?

Weisel says his firms have always operated in an impeccable manner.

Of course, everyone in finance operates in an impeccable manner. That's why the American economy is and always has been in such great shape.

 

[Alpe73]

We have established Armstrong is a bad guy, right?

Armstrong is a guy; has done some bad things in and out of cycling and some good things in and out of cycling. Everything in between is up for negotiation and market forces will give shape to that over the months and years to come.

Everyone, including me, believes that Armstrong deserves punishment. The amount, degree, severity ... is currently being negotiated.

There's an entire industry out there involved in the burning and burying of Armstrong. Some do it for justice, some for revenge, others for money and still others for the hurt inner child. Lots of pro bono work done on this site that accomplishes .... well that's up to each to decide.

As RR said, "This is the story of LOVE and HATE."

Watch the river flow.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Why is he trying to prevent the "under oath" thing at all costs? It´s all in the open, and said & done. I don´t get it...

Because it opens him up to an investigation for perjury. For that you can go to jail. Tillotson may also get admissions that would help Landis in his Qui Tam case.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Lance isn't risking perjury unless he either (a) tells a provable lie; or (b) tells a truth that contradicts his previous sworn statement made within the limitations period.

Lance's only sworn lies (AFAIK) were told in the SCA litigation, way past the SOL for perjury.

My favorite theory (one that has been rejected by everybody here and has been presented by nobody else on Earth) is that Lance testified under oath in the criminal case (just like all the other Posties). If Lance did, he may have lied--figuring that his lie would not get out. Then--when the USADA evidence came out--Lance realized that his lie was not as safe as he thought it was. Now, he really wants to avoid testifying because the truth will not set him free (see (b), above). Please don't flame me for this theory--it is the most extreme speculation.

If Tillotson gets LA to admit his previous testimony was a lie (pretty easy to do) then this may cause a new Statute of Limitations period to run. It would be a present admission to a past lie, thus providing present evidence of perjury and resurrecting the old lie. What is the limitations period for perjury in Texas? I looks like it is 3 years for aggravated perjury. Texas lawyers?

The Texas statute appears to be silent on how a limitation period can restart. I wonder if there is some common law in Texas on the issue? It is a general rule that perjury is an exception to SOL Texas lawyers?

 

[thehog]

Because it opens him up to an investigation for perjury. For that you can go to jail. Tillotson may also get admissions that would help Landis in his Qui Tam case.

Which puts SCA in a very good position. Knowing this they can demand the full value.

Most cases settle post deposition when the detail is on the table and liability assessment can be made.

But Armstrong can't afford to be asked questions he can't answer without showing the hand that needs to be saved. He's a tough spot. Hate to be in his position but he made his own bed on his one.

Bob is a very lucky man and can thank Landis for that.

Still. Fat lady not sung yet. A few more rounds to go. Scope creep.

 

[mewmewmew13]

This guy is a real piece of work.

He should ask for a refund for the drugs he is assuredly taking to look younger. He looks about 90.

Creepy -looking guy...
interesting article.

for someone that intense about everything it's pretty hard to believe he was clueless about the team and Armstrong..:roll eyes:

we know better

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Because it opens him up to an investigation for perjury. For that you can go to jail. Tillotson may also get admissions that would help Landis in his Qui Tam case.

But isn´t it already perjury since he admitted doping in a written statement to a court (in November AFAIR)?

 

[Oldman]

Like maybe a nanosecond, Thom?

That nanosecond when you were helping LA backdate the TUE?

Or telling Greg to back off?



Of course, everyone in finance operates in an impeccable manner. That's why the American economy is and always has been in such great shape.

He's not a particularly good liar. Now it looks like he's taking the rich way out: donate, donate, donate and right off tax gains. Beats having to find religion.

 

[thehog]

But isn´t it already perjury since he admitted doping in a written statement to a court (in November AFAIR)?

It's why he asked to have all his cases rolled into one deposition. Which was denied.

That would have helped.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It's why he asked to have all his cases rolled into one deposition. Which was denied.

That would have helped.

I know it´s difficult law. But we have not yet arrived... Didn´t the deposition from November 2013 open LA up for perjury already? And if so, why his money burning to prevent speaking under oath? Is a written statement to a court less "worth" in US justice than a said word in front of a judge? Completely confused (and certainly many else from outside of the USA)...

 

[thehog]

I know it´s difficult law. But we have not yet arrived... Didn´t the deposition from November 2013 open LA up for perjury already? And if so, why his money burning to prevent speaking under oath? Is a written statement to a court less "worth" in US justice than a said word in front of a judge? Completely confused (and certainly many else from outside of the USA)...

What deposition? He responded to basic questions in documented form. He was not deposed.

Scope will be issue. Fun times.

 

[Benotti69]

I know Bobs track record. Has a tendency of giving away millions with a no claw back policy to a sport with a doping problem.

Smart guy. I think you'll agree he's a better Bridge player than a sport insurer of cycling.

Man did he not do his homework.

He did it once Hoggie but you are hanging him out to dry. The story is not over yet and Bob will have the last laugh.

Many people didn't do their homework on Armstrong.

 

[Benotti69]

There's an entire industry out there involved in the burning and burying of Armstrong.

Really? What are they making in this industry? I see his lawyers getting rich, but haven't they been since 1999!

Apart from the lawyers there have been some articles and some books, but an industry,,,,,,Lance would've love all that attention....

Some do it for justice, some for revenge, others for money and still others for the hurt inner child.

Is your inner child hurting because your hero got burned and is in the process of betting buried, because all those inner children that held a candle for Monkeymouth Armstrong have all fled...........are you the last?