Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[tony west]

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I cant help myself, Still a Fan, Some people are asking for an apology, OK Lance was at the top of the pile, but does no one want the same from all the others, the iconic ones, those that are still lorded over, just slid away into the back ground, Chippo, Simpson, and the like, strange how Cunego has never won the Giro again, Juan José Cobo hasn't done anything else, and Denis Menchov was a strange old lot, all right you'd struggle to get apol from Simpson, Ill say it one more time, You dont take a knife to a GUN fight, Could you all give me time to put up scaffolding, before the world falls on me, If I had the money and the heart would stand it, id take something, not to beat anyone, just to get up that B-----y hill a bit faster, Ho Hum.

 

[MonkeyFace]

Just like when casinos hire expert cheaters as floor detectives, Armstrong could get hired by USADA or WADA to spot dopers. Definitely full time employment.

Armstrong is a stooge without unlimited cash and a tremendously strong support network. You forget that he was basically protected by the UCI and USA Cycling. Why has everything gone tits up for him? Because one organization didn't play ball, USADA. Armstrong has no special knowledge about doping or the process acquiring doping products. He was just able to take advantage of the corruption in various organizations.

If you want someone to be a dope czar, get Ferrari. That guy is the brains behind doping in cycling. Armstrong is just a lab rat without any ethics or regard for his health or anyone in his way.

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong is a stooge without unlimited cash and a tremendously strong support network. You forget that he was basically protected by the UCI and USA Cycling. Why has everything gone tits up for him? Because one organization didn't play ball, USADA. Armstrong has no special knowledge about doping or the process acquiring doping products. He was just able to take advantage of the corruption in various organizations.

If you want someone to be a dope czar, get Ferrari. That guy is the brains behind doping in cycling. Armstrong is just a lab rat without any ethics or regard for his health or anyone in his way.

This, but wont happen. Ferrari makes too much at doping!

 

[Oldman]

Armstrong is a stooge without unlimited cash and a tremendously strong support network. You forget that he was basically protected by the UCI and USA Cycling. Why has everything gone tits up for him? Because one organization didn't play ball, USADA. Armstrong has no special knowledge about doping or the process acquiring doping products. He was just able to take advantage of the corruption in various organizations.

If you want someone to be a dope czar, get Ferrari. That guy is the brains behind doping in cycling. Armstrong is just a lab rat without any ethics or regard for his health or anyone in his way.

Armstrong did have the insight to create a foundation to defray all of those niggling expenses related to his celebrity. How many frauds have the hubris to be cheats and create a "charity". Give him credit for initiative of good counsel. Steal big, steal small...

 

[86TDFWinner]

Armstrong did have the insight to create a foundation to defray all of those niggling expenses related to his celebrity. How many frauds have the hubris to be cheats and create a "charity". Give him credit for initiative of good counsel. Steal big, steal small...

Yep. Wonderboy knew exactly how to work the system in his favor financially. I liken him to a Bernie Madoff, but not to that degree.

 

[86TDFWinner]

LOL, Even Wonderboy admits it's not humanly possible to win the TDF "clean" 7 times....(I know this is an older clip, but I just saw this, too funny).

http://youtu.be/aNzeOeiamls

 

[Clausfarre]

Armstrong is a stooge without unlimited cash and a tremendously strong support network. You forget that he was basically protected by the UCI and USA Cycling. Why has everything gone tits up for him? Because one organization didn't play ball, USADA. Armstrong has no special knowledge about doping or the process acquiring doping products. He was just able to take advantage of the corruption in various organizations.

If you want someone to be a dope czar, get Ferrari. That guy is the brains behind doping in cycling. Armstrong is just a lab rat without any ethics or regard for his health or anyone in his way.

You are certainly right about that. Michele know his stuff like few other (known) experts. He has a bit of a villainous Yoda aura about him, which is disturbingly delightful.

 

[Berzin]

You are certainly right about that. Michele know his stuff like few other (known) experts. He has a bit of a villainous Yoda aura about him, which is disturbingly delightful.

I think you're giving Ferrari too much credit. He had access to labs doing the testing that other doctors did not. Pretty easy to set up a fool-proof doping program with such knowledge.

 

[Walkman]

For those of us in London can see the new Lance Armstrong movie.

The Armstrong Lie was simply terrible with low ticket sales and bad acting.

This one looks good. Made by ABC TV in Australia:

http://www.abccommercial.com/stop-n...-sheffield-docfest-and-east-end-film-festival



If anything you'll get to see Frankie's hair. He does have nice hair, doesn't he?

Not sure I like David Walsh's involment but I guess he's trying to make a buck off everything these days.

I am watching right now. Great stuff! Everyone who reads this forum on a regular basis should watch it. Not much new information in the grand scheme of things, but a lot of new interesting details!

 

[DirtyWorks]

This, but wont happen. Ferrari makes too much at doping!

And Fuentes sticks to his "Bicycling as much as an elite is not healthy. I improve their health." while the money rolls in.

The casinos have authority, NADO's do not.

 

[Walkman]

STOP AT NOTHING: THE LANCE ARMSTRONG STORY

One thing in the film caught my attention.

Back in 1999 when Lance got caught with corticosteroids they backdated a prescription for a cream that Lance allegedly used to treat saddle sores. However I remember reading on this forum that Lance, before the 1999 tour, got a question by a journalist if he had any prescriptions and he said no, can anyone confirm?

The thing is, the film states that the UCI sent out a press communication saying that Lance in fact did "offer them a medical prescription before the test".

And the last part is obviously a lie. So my question is, did the UCI blatantly lie to everyone in order to save Lance?

If this is old news, well please enlighten me and we can move on.

 

[Race Radio]

As expected the Texas supreme court turns down Armstrong's writ of mandamus. Has to pay more of SCA's legal fees and go under oath June 12th.

 

[Benotti69]

As expected the Texas supreme court turns down Armstrong's writ of mandamus. Has to pay more of SCA's legal fees and go under oath June 12th.

This will be settled on June11th wont it.

 

[darkcloud]

funny

Taken from a motorcycle forum. Scroll down to the photo of the guy starting the campfire and read the caption. LMAO.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=981885

 

[Benotti69]

Taken from a motorcycle forum. Scroll down to the photo of the guy starting the campfire and read the caption. LMAO.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=981885

Brilliant!

Someone put that photo and caption in a seperate post.

 

[86TDFWinner]

As expected the Texas supreme court turns down Armstrong's writ of mandamus. Has to pay more of SCA's legal fees and go under oath June 12th.

Link please?

This will be settled on June11th wont it.

Yep. As I said a few weeks back, he will not go under oath. This will be settled on or before the 12th.

 

[Race Radio]

Story just went up

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2014/05/30/texas-court-denies-armstrong-appeal/9761815/

Lance Armstrong will do just about anything he legally can to avoid testifying under oath.

But he's running out of options after the Texas Supreme Court on Friday denied his request to delay his scheduled deposition on June 12.

disgraced cyclist on May 2 asked the court to intervene, saying he was in jeopardy of suffering "irreparable harm from ongoing arbitration proceedings"

Unless he settles the case or tries another last-ditch appeal, he will go under oath in two weeks.

"SCA is pleased that it will get an opportunity to hold Mr. Armstrong accountable for his outrageous conduct during our prior legal proceedings,"

Lots of billable hours

"(Armstrong and co-defendants) have incurred significant fees in this matter and will continue to do so absent the requested stay," Armstrong's attorneys wrote the court.

 

[Race Radio]

More quotes from Tillotson

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...-in-case-over-12-million-in-prize-money.html/

It’s unfortunate he’s settled many of his legal battles but not this one, since this was the most egregious.

“For me, personally, it’s just another day at the office — though it’s not every day you you end up redeposing Lance Armstrong,” he says. “I am looking forward to getting the evidence.”

 

[D-Queued]

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Lots of billable hours

"(Armstrong and co-defendants) have incurred significant fees in this matter and will continue to do so absent the requested stay," Armstrong's attorneys wrote the court.

Pretty sure that neither throwing your money away nor belligerence is a viable defense strategy. But, maybe it will work for Lance.

Dave.

 

[MarkvW]

Such frivolity for a man on a limited budget. I reckon Lance figures he is spending the US government's money at this point. Seems like a fatalistic Lance isn't fighting for victory as much as he is trying to fight a long delaying action.

 

[thehog]

Such frivolity for a man on a limited budget. I reckon Lance figures he is spending the US government's money at this point. Seems like a fatalistic Lance isn't fighting for victory as much as he is fighting a long delaying action.

He lodged a "stay". It was fairly obvious what the tactic was. It's not throwing away money.

The alternative would be what? Give SCA everything they want. That's not legal savvy.

If he does depose most questions will be objected too and if the panel makes a new award it will again be appealed to a higher court.

You can see where he's going with this. Dragging it out to such a point that SCA get nervous that they may have to pay costs & receive less than they anticipate.

For Armstrong it's not about winning or losing. It's about limiting financial exposure. And that's exactly the conversation he would have had first up with his counsel.

It's the conversation everyone has - "what's this going to cost me and how did I limit it?"

Not, "how do I win?" And the reason to settle with Murdoch/Times.

His exposure is 15m + costs. The only discussion is how to reduce it. He's not trying to win.

Regardless both counsels are in communication which is always positive.

 

[MarkvW]

He lodged a "stay". It was fairly obvious what the tactic was. It's not throwing away money.

The alternative would be what? Give SCA everything they want. That's not legal savvy.

If he does depose most questions will be objected too and if the panel makes a new award it will again be appealed to a higher court.

You can see where he's going with this. Dragging it out to such a point that SCA get nervous that they may have to pay costs & receive less than they anticipate.

For Armstrong it's not about winning or losing. It's about limiting financial exposure. And that's exactly the conversation he would have had first up with his counsel.

It's the conversation everyone has - "what's this going to cost me and how did I limit it?"

Not, "how do I win?" And the reason to settle with Murdoch/Times.

His exposure is 15m + costs. The only discussion is how to reduce it. He's not trying to win.

Regardless both counsels are in communication which is always positive.

The Supreme Court action stayed nothing. There was no good tactical reason for Lance's premature venture into state court. It was an impossible attempt. It was either a stupid play motivated by stubbornness or the play of a man who doesn't care about burning through money.

Even if everything goes bad for Lance in the SCA litigation, SCA is still going to need to collect on its arbitration ruling. To do that, SCA needs to employ the collection apparatus of the State. At that time, Lance can object to SCA's arbitration victory, or any part of it. The availability of this avenue of defense for Lance is the biggest reason Lance's premature foray into state court was doomed. Courts hate messing with things twice--they want to do it once and for all, unless compelling circumstances demand otherwise. Lance the admitted fraud was not compelling.

Your discourse on depositions is "Tuesday" stuff (and you're just taking the liquid that English beer tastes like). If Lance jerks his deposition interrogators around, he will suffer for it.

Your point about Lance making things expensive for SCA is valid, but the expenses cut much more deeply for Lance now that he is living on a fixed income. And I think SCA probably loves all the massive free publicity they're getting out of this.

Lance worrying about financial exposure to SCA is like the Captain of the Titanic worrying about engine trouble. Lance is staring at Floyd--dead ahead. All of Lance's SCA decisions have to be considered through the USPS filter. I'm sure Lance would pay off every last dime that SCA is asking for if it could make Floyd and the Feds go away.

 

[thehog]

The Supreme Court action stayed nothing. There was no good tactical reason for Lance's premature venture into state court. It was an impossible attempt. It was either a stupid play motivated by stubbornness or the play of a man who doesn't care about burning through money.

Even if everything goes bad for Lance in the SCA litigation, SCA is still going to need to collect on its arbitration ruling. To do that, SCA needs to employ the collection apparatus of the State. At that time, Lance can object to SCA's arbitration victory, or any part of it. The availability of this avenue of defense for Lance is the biggest reason Lance's premature foray into state court was doomed. Courts hate messing with things twice--they want to do it once and for all, unless compelling circumstances demand otherwise. Lance the admitted fraud was not compelling.

Your discourse on depositions is "Tuesday" stuff (and you're just taking the liquid that English beer tastes like). If Lance jerks his deposition interrogators around, he will suffer for it.

Your point about Lance making things expensive for SCA is valid, but the expenses cut much more deeply for Lance now that he is living on a fixed income. And I think SCA probably loves all the massive free publicity they're getting out of this.

Lance worrying about financial exposure to SCA is like the Captain of the Titanic worrying about engine trouble. Lance is staring at Floyd--dead ahead. All of Lance's SCA decisions have to be considered through the USPS filter. I'm sure Lance would pay off every last dime that SCA is asking for if it could make Floyd and the Feds go away.

Of course he stayed nothing. That's why he was requesting it and probably knew it would fail but wanted to buy the days.

So what's his alternative? Pay 15m?

He made an offer and it was declined. What next? What he is doing is his only option other than agree to SCAs terms which he won't do.

He has little other choice. Delay until such time SCA agree to reduce terms.

But he is getting boxed into a tight corner. But still a very long way to go unless there's a settlement. Depo is approaching so he doesn't have much time to agree terms. Unless he has a surprise for his testimony.

(Maybe he did a deal with Vaughters - joke!).

Agree Tilson is hamming it up in the media to apply the pressure. Predictable tactic.

 

[webvan]

It really sounds like he doesn't have enough available cash to make them a decent offer...

 

[thehog]

It really sounds like he doesn't have enough available cash to make them a decent offer...

An offer can be anything. Paid over time, assets or whatever is accepted.

Perhaps he wants to give the appearance of having no cash if SCA have to chase him for the money they may not get it all and subject to their own enforcements costs. ie he owes 15m and settles the debt at 10m.

I don't think he cares about his credit rating!