Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Armstrong’s attorney told a federal judge Wednesday that the U.S. Postal Service should have known what a doping “cesspool” pro cycling was in 1996, when the USPS first signed on as the Texan’s chief sponsor.

“They wanted to look the other way and enjoy the lucrative benefits of the sponsorship,” said Elliot Peters during a U.S. District Court discovery conference, according to the Law360 legal news service.

So reasonable people should have known Armstrong's crowd-pleasing run at cycling history was fake, even though at the time Armstrong was suing or threatening to sue anyone who suggested as much.

The conference came at the end of the discovery phase in the long-running case in which Justice Department lawyers have sued Armstrong in an effort to retrieve the sponsorship money they say were taken under the false pretense. Armstrong vigorously claimed to be clean but was using performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions all along.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673

 

[Tonton]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Phil, and Paul, Bob the clown: Lance was their paycheck. They benefited from the explosion of exposure in the English speaking world, big markets, TV deals. They knew. Of course they knew...

 

[Jakub]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Poor Phil! Went from being the greatest cycling commentator ever, to a punchline due to his incessant support of Wonderboy. His senility and delusion, have caught up to him. Nothing out of his maw is believable.

Read on, but it is is hilarious:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/liggett-its-hard-to-simply-say-i-hate-lance-armstrong-and-i-never-would-208509

So....
He needed a proof against LA
Later he says that pretty much all top cyclists dope, some of them are never caught.

Well, this is what I call paradox.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673

Thanks thehog for tracking these law reports
not the glamorous side of cycling
but good to know of.

 

[MarkvW]

Summary judgment motions are coming up soon.

 

[86TDFWinner]

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Summary judgment motions are coming up soon.

I think you're right. I think Wonderboy loses and appeals, dragging it out for many more years(all with enough time for him.to keep transferring money overseas).

You gotta love Wonderboy. He's still playing the victim role & is so stupid, he admits he himself was a fraud. Way to show your supporters how you feel about them Wonderboy.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673?cid=bitly
You can't make this stuff up.

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Re:

Summary judgment motions are coming up soon.

I think you're right. I think Wonderboy loses and appeals, dragging it out for many more years(all with enough time for him.to keep transferring money overseas).

You gotta love Wonderboy. He's still playing the victim role & is so stupid, he admits he himself was a fraud. Way to show your supporters how you feel about them Wonderboy.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673?cid=bitly
You can't make this stuff up.

The Statute of Limitations looks like it will be a key issue. We will be reading about equitable tolling and equitable estoppel for sure.

Lance has a gigantic problem with his "the feds should have known cycling was a cesspool" argument. Lance's special efforts to cover up his fraud are going to come back to haunt him. He may be equitably estopped from claiming the SOL bars the fed's case.

Popcorn time is coming up.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

Summary judgment motions are coming up soon.

I think you're right. I think Wonderboy loses and appeals, dragging it out for many more years(all with enough time for him.to keep transferring money overseas).

You gotta love Wonderboy. He's still playing the victim role & is so stupid, he admits he himself was a fraud. Way to show your supporters how you feel about them Wonderboy.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673?cid=bitly
You can't make this stuff up.

The Statute of Limitations looks like it will be a key issue. We will be reading about equitable tolling and equitable estoppel for sure.

Lance has a gigantic problem with his "the feds should have known cycling was a cesspool" argument. Lance's special efforts to cover up his fraud are going to come back to haunt him. He may be equitably estopped from claiming the SOL bars the fed's case.

Popcorn time is coming up.

Don't you think there is still the possibility he will face criminal indictment? After all, if he's tolled the SOL for this case, wouldn't that apply for criminal charges, as well?

As far as the current case goes, I don't see how he has a hope in hell of winning. Even if his lawyers succeed in establishing that doping was SOP and an open secret within the pro cycling world, his sponsor was not in that world, so how could they possibly know (of course, the reality might be they did know, but I don't see how you establish that short of presenting documentation that proves it).

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Re:

Summary judgment motions are coming up soon.

I think you're right. I think Wonderboy loses and appeals, dragging it out for many more years(all with enough time for him.to keep transferring money overseas).

You gotta love Wonderboy. He's still playing the victim role & is so stupid, he admits he himself was a fraud. Way to show your supporters how you feel about them Wonderboy.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673?cid=bitly
You can't make this stuff up.

The Statute of Limitations looks like it will be a key issue. We will be reading about equitable tolling and equitable estoppel for sure.

Lance has a gigantic problem with his "the feds should have known cycling was a cesspool" argument. Lance's special efforts to cover up his fraud are going to come back to haunt him. He may be equitably estopped from claiming the SOL bars the fed's case.

Popcorn time is coming up.

Don't you think there is still the possibility he will face criminal indictment? After all, if he's tolled the SOL for this case, wouldn't that apply for criminal charges, as well?

As far as the current case goes, I don't see how he has a hope in hell of winning. Even if his lawyers succeed in establishing that doping was SOP and an open secret within the pro cycling world, his sponsor was not in that world, so how could they possibly know (of course, the reality might be they did know, but I don't see how you establish that short of presenting documentation that proves it).

Not the slightest chance of criminal prosecution.

Summary judgment resolves legal issues where relevant facts are undisputed. Issues that remain are for trial.

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

Summary judgment motions are coming up soon.

I think you're right. I think Wonderboy loses and appeals, dragging it out for many more years(all with enough time for him.to keep transferring money overseas).

You gotta love Wonderboy. He's still playing the victim role & is so stupid, he admits he himself was a fraud. Way to show your supporters how you feel about them Wonderboy.

http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/cycling-doping-cesspool-argues-lance-armstrong-lawyer-article-1.2536673?cid=bitly
You can't make this stuff up.

The Statute of Limitations looks like it will be a key issue. We will be reading about equitable tolling and equitable estoppel for sure.

Lance has a gigantic problem with his "the feds should have known cycling was a cesspool" argument. Lance's special efforts to cover up his fraud are going to come back to haunt him. He may be equitably estopped from claiming the SOL bars the fed's case.

Popcorn time is coming up.

Don't you think there is still the possibility he will face criminal indictment? After all, if he's tolled the SOL for this case, wouldn't that apply for criminal charges, as well?

As far as the current case goes, I don't see how he has a hope in hell of winning. Even if his lawyers succeed in establishing that doping was SOP and an open secret within the pro cycling world, his sponsor was not in that world, so how could they possibly know (of course, the reality might be they did know, but I don't see how you establish that short of presenting documentation that proves it).

Not the slightest chance of criminal prosecution.

Summary judgment resolves legal issues where relevant facts are undisputed. Issues that remain are for trial.

But wouldn't summary judgement pertain to only this case? How would it pertain to a subsequent indictment?

 

[MarkvW]

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

 

[poupou]

Hey, Lance, the people who believe Bolt, Messi or Ronaldo are they fool too?

 

[Maxiton]

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There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

On what grounds?

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

On what grounds?

I dunno . . . criminality? RICCO statutes? Witness intimidation?

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

On what grounds?

I dunno . . . criminality? RICCO statutes? Witness intimidation?

What witnesses? What criminal organization?

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

On what grounds?

I dunno . . . criminality? RICCO statutes? Witness intimidation?

What witnesses? What criminal organization?

Probably multiple witnesses, but the name Hamilton comes to mind. The entire case the feds had against Armstrong, if I recall, and which they were ready to bring until it was dropped at the last moment, was based on RICCO statutes. Reportedly, there was no technical reason for dropping the case, but we'll never know for sure because no reason was given.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that they bring a case. Armstrong has doubtlessly suffered a great deal, and will continue to suffer, and will almost certainly end up dead broke. That's enough for justice to be served, if not more than enough. And besides, there are already far too many people in jail. No need to add one more gratuitously. I'm just wondering what precludes them bringing a case, or if indeed they are precluded.

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

As there is no criminal investigation there is no actual witnesses. The Hamilton incident is just that... an incident, an altication in bar. I guess if Armstrong starts roughing those in the civil trial he could be open for some charges but it's doubtful whether he'll go down that path as he no longer needs to pretend he is clean.

RICO charges are most likely long gone with the government investigation shelved. There's little political energy or motivation to go beating up on him again. The whole banging up sports starts for steroid use under FDA mandates has long lost its muster. The only good thing to come of it was to allow USADA the ammunition for the Good Garmin dopers to testify against Armstrong. Without it l, it wouldn't have happened as it did. Tygart got lucky once the criminal investigation ended. They made him rich.

SCA is a good example of civil cases being left where they belong and not trying to cross pollinate into criminal proceedings. Much easier if everyone just works things out amongst themselves to settlement.

 

[MarkvW]

The Statute of Limitations is 5 years. It's darn near five years (or past) since Floyd blew the whistle to the Feds. Lance's scam is old news.

Second, the feds took one run and dropped it. They're not going to pick it up again. They elected to seek their relief via Qui Tam. That's it.

A criminal prosecution is not going to happen.

 

[Maxiton]

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The Statute of Limitations is 5 years. It's darn near five years (or past) since Floyd blew the whistle to the Feds. Lance's scam is old news.

Second, the feds took one run and dropped it. They're not going to pick it up again. They elected to seek their relief via Qui Tam. That's it.

A criminal prosecution is not going to happen.

Fair enough.

 

[stevie47]

It's a slow news day so here's something to ruin it.

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lance has gone full Clooney with the hair...

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_29581489/candid-lance-armstrong-reflects-his-colossal-meltdown-cu

Good interview. Takes a room full of students to ask the intelligent questions that cycling journalists can't

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

On what grounds?

I dunno . . . criminality? RICCO statutes? Witness intimidation?

one must love Ricky Riccio, so popular il Cobra now enshrined in US law.

Cobra #FTW

 

[Maxiton]

Re: Re:

There won't be a subsequent indictment. Zero chance.

How do you know that? If he is indictable, why wouldn't they indict him?

On what grounds?

I dunno . . . criminality? RICCO statutes? Witness intimidation?

one must love Ricky Riccio, so popular il Cobra now enshrined in US law.

Cobra #FTW

Bubba, Goldman Handcuffs, Shrub. The Cobra would fit right in.

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

When addressing the class, Armstrong spoke at length about the supposed failures of the antidoping agency that took him down.

“I have a lot of thoughts about USADA,” Armstrong said. “I think the organization is absolutely necessary.

“I think they are probably one of the most ineffective and inefficient organizations in the world for the amount of money — and I’m not criticizing. It just is what it is — I’m not criticizing Travis or the organization.

“But if you consider a budget of $10 or $15 or $20 million a year, and then you lay that out over the testing results, which come back at … 0.2% … 0.7% come back as positive, we know that is not a realistic number. I don’t know what the number is, whether it’s 10 or 20 or 50, I don’t know. But that tells you that that system is broken, too.

“It’s probably the reason that Travis and USADA needed something — they needed a case, they needed a story. And again, I was that story, I was that case, it is what it is … but they needed something to show that they were effective. And they did, and it worked.

“And now the world views him and them and the organization and all of their peers, and any other antidoping agency, as truly effective, when they’re really not.”

He went on to say, referring to USADA again: “If you have an organization that’s struggling for credibility — and believe me, I was the complete dumb-ass who made it totally easy for them to do this, right? So this is my fault. I did what I did. Our culture and our era did what we did, but I took it so much farther. And that’s really the lesson.”

http://www.dailynewsx.com/news/sports-news/lance-armstrong-visited-a-college-class-and-blasted-the-antidoping-agency-that-took-him-down-51654.html