Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Robert5091]

The new era of clean cycling begins ... again
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...guest-at-tour-of-flanders-despite-uci-letter/

The organisers of the Tour of Flanders have declined rescind their invitation to Lance Armstrong to appear at the race this year. According to Het Nieuwsblad, race promoter Wouter Vandenhaut says the disgraced American will not have an official function in the event, and will not follow the race itself.

Vandenhaut confirmed that UCI President David Lappartient asked him about the plan to include Armstrong in the festivities, but did not pressure him to withdraw the invitation.

Armstrong has been invited to address the Tour of Flanders Business Academy ...

"Tour of Flanders Business Academy" - ugh?

Edit - ahh, now I get it - see YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXROhg7kkxE - junket/PR stunt!

 

[Robert5091]

So it's the Donald Trump Publicity Stunt Concept - say or do anything to get on the front pages, then worry about the consequences later. Will Rocco be selling gelato there too? Maybe Lance can get OJ to come as well ...

 

[fmk_RoI]

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So it's the Donald Trump Publicity Stunt Concept - say or do anything to get on the front pages, then worry about the consequences later. Will Rocco be selling gelato there too? Maybe Lance can get OJ to come as well ...

He's been doing appearances like this for the last five years. Remember the Irish one that got cancelled? You heard about that, you hear about. Yet people are oddly silent about Australia and all the other places.

The mechanics of all of this ought to be really simple: if the public believe LA is persona non grata they will stay at home. If they don't stay at home ... you might need to reconsider your own position. He's been punished, is being punished, what right have you to add more?

 

[Robert5091]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

It's the organizers who look bad here, not Lance. He's got bills to pay!

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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The new era of clean cycling begins ... again
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lan...guest-at-tour-of-flanders-despite-uci-letter/

The organisers of the Ronde van Vlaanderen have declined rescind their invitation to Lance Armstrong to appear at the race this year. According to Het Nieuwsblad, race promoter Wouter Vandenhaut says the disgraced American will not have an official function in the event, and will not follow the race itself.

Vandenhaut confirmed that UCI President David Lappartient asked him about the plan to include Armstrong in the festivities, but did not pressure him to withdraw the invitation.

Armstrong has been invited to address the Ronde van Vlaanderen Business Academy ...

"Ronde van Vlaanderen Business Academy" - ugh?

Edit - ahh, now I get it - see YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXROhg7kkxE - junket/PR stunt!

Lappartient will not attend Tour of Flanders in protest of Lance Armstrong invitation

UCI president says Armstrong is 'not the symbol of a clean sport'
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lappartient-will-not-attend-tour-of-flanders-in-protest-of-lance-armstrong-invitation/

 

[GraftPunk]

I still stand by my belief he wasn't ostracized for the doping so much as his moral vacancy in terms of the bullying, threats, mafioso-type behavior he exhibited to everyone. Not to mention the pay-offs, and the entirety of his lies and hubris. The guy is a ***-bag from start to finish, and I think that is why he's so reviled by hardcore cycling fans who know the history. YMMV.

 

[hazaran]

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Lappartient will not attend Ronde van Vlaanderen in protest of Lance Armstrong invitation

UCI president says Armstrong is 'not the symbol of a clean sport'
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lappartient-will-not-attend-tour-of-flanders-in-protest-of-lance-armstrong-invitation/

Thank god, now make it a permanent thing. Cookson spent 50% of his "presidency" on travel to, presence at and travel from various races where his disheveled, homeless looking appearance sought out the attention of the cameras as he enjoyed his stay on the costs of the race organizers who in all likelihood despised him and the perfunctory busybody of an organization he came to embody (but not represent, that implies some sort of active role).

 

[Alpe73]

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So it's the Donald Trump Publicity Stunt Concept - say or do anything to get on the front pages, then worry about the consequences later. Will Rocco be selling gelato there too? Maybe Lance can get OJ to come as well ...

He's been doing appearances like this for the last five years. Remember the Irish one that got cancelled? You heard about that, you hear about. Yet people are oddly silent about Australia and all the other places.

The mechanics of all of this ought to be really simple: if the public believe LA is persona non grata they will stay at home. If they don't stay at home ... you might need to reconsider your own position. He's been punished, is being punished, what right have you to add more?

This.

And they won't stay home. I reckon some will be angry, some will be curious and most will be supportive (many of those supporters being 'hard core cycling fans who know thw history.')

"Stages" podcast was a net gain for professional cycling last year. I reckon it'll be even more successful this year.

This trend does not excuse Lance for his pro cycling indiscretions, not at all ... but recognizes that partnerships will continue to be formed with Armstrong if he can deliver bona fide products that enhance pro cycling.

Cynicism can be helpful in the short term ... but is a highly unproductive, if not destructive, tool in the long run.Those that hold on to their moral and behaviorial rigidity (not to be confused with 'principle') will be consumed with their own hubris and become members of an increasingly diminished fraternity of hard core whatevers.

 

[Bolder]

Again, why shouldn't LA be welcomed back into the cycling fold. I see Virenque's smug mug on French TV/Eurosport; even the French can't be bothered to work up much outrage. Methinks Lappartient is overegging the sauce a bit.

Of course LA isn't the symbol of clean sport -- he is a symbol of what modern sport has become. Not just cycling.

 

[poupou]

The problem with Lance is not doping, isn't it? Can we forget so easily that he is the only one with a life ban!

 

[ScienceIsCool]

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Again, why shouldn't LA be welcomed back into the cycling fold. I see Virenque's smug mug on French TV/Eurosport; even the French can't be bothered to work up much outrage. Methinks Lappartient is overegging the sauce a bit.

Of course LA isn't the symbol of clean sport -- he is a symbol of what modern sport has become. Not just cycling.

Why?

- zip the lips live on TV to put the cherry on the cake that was the ruin of Simeoni's career
- not worth the chair you're sitting on
- yelling at Mike Andersen's pregnant wife (over the phone) while Mike is having a seizure
- calling Emma O'Reilly a drunk prostitute
- Tyler and the Cache Cache intimidation scene
- Drunk driving and pinning it on his wife
- Cancer shield and the millions of dollars involved
- What are you on? commercial / Sorry you don't believe in miracles

I could go on for days. But yeah, I'd rather see Virenque any time.

John Swanson
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[Alpe73]

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Again, why shouldn't LA be welcomed back into the cycling fold. I see Virenque's smug mug on French TV/Eurosport; even the French can't be bothered to work up much outrage. Methinks Lappartient is overegging the sauce a bit.

Of course LA isn't the symbol of clean sport -- he is a symbol of what modern sport has become. Not just cycling.

Why?

- zip the lips live on TV to put the cherry on the cake that was the ruin of Simeoni's career
- not worth the chair you're sitting on
- yelling at Mike Andersen's pregnant wife (over the phone) while Mike is having a seizure
- calling Emma O'Reilly a drunk prostitute
- Tyler and the Cache Cache intimidation scene
- Drunk driving and pinning it on his wife
- Cancer shield and the millions of dollars involved
- What are you on? commercial / Sorry you don't believe in miracles

I could go on for days. But yeah, I'd rather see Virenque any time.

John Swanson
-

John ... do ya mind if we ask ya this question again around Giro time? That feckin cold in Canader is makin ya too serious ‘n all, seriously man.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Serious like cancer? =P

John Swanson

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

I thought people stopped being angry at Armstrong long ago? He is a nice deflection for those not wanting to address the current ills of the sport. Flanders is a beer swilling all day drink fest for middle aged men. Perfect location for Armstrong to turn up and talk about her good old days of hardcore doping.

 

[GraftPunk]

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So it's the Donald Trump Publicity Stunt Concept - say or do anything to get on the front pages, then worry about the consequences later. Will Rocco be selling gelato there too? Maybe Lance can get OJ to come as well ...

He's been doing appearances like this for the last five years. Remember the Irish one that got cancelled? You heard about that, you hear about. Yet people are oddly silent about Australia and all the other places.

The mechanics of all of this ought to be really simple: if the public believe LA is persona non grata they will stay at home. If they don't stay at home ... you might need to reconsider your own position. He's been punished, is being punished, what right have you to add more?

This.

And they won't stay home. I reckon some will be angry, some will be curious and most will be supportive (many of those supporters being 'hard core cycling fans who know thw history.')

"Stages" podcast was a net gain for professional cycling last year. I reckon it'll be even more successful this year.

This trend does not excuse Lance for his pro cycling indiscretions, not at all ... but recognizes that partnerships will continue to be formed with Armstrong if he can deliver bona fide products that enhance pro cycling.

Cynicism can be helpful in the short term ... but is a highly unproductive, if not destructive, tool in the long run.Those that hold on to their moral and behaviorial rigidity (not to be confused with 'principle') will be consumed with their own hubris and become members of an increasingly diminished fraternity of hard core whatevers.

Ah, I see, my *moral rigidity* (as you say) amounts to hubris? I understand now... I'll take illegal drugs, take a dump on eveyone around me, bribe my way out of whatever I can, throw people under the bus to try and save myself, and constantly lie (even under oath). Wow, this lack of *moral rigidity* is totally freeing, plus in a few years people will be cool with it! Thanks Alpe!

 

[MarkvW]

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So it's the Donald Trump Publicity Stunt Concept - say or do anything to get on the front pages, then worry about the consequences later. Will Rocco be selling gelato there too? Maybe Lance can get OJ to come as well ...

He's been doing appearances like this for the last five years. Remember the Irish one that got cancelled? You heard about that, you hear about. Yet people are oddly silent about Australia and all the other places.

The mechanics of all of this ought to be really simple: if the public believe LA is persona non grata they will stay at home. If they don't stay at home ... you might need to reconsider your own position. He's been punished, is being punished, what right have you to add more?

This.

And they won't stay home. I reckon some will be angry, some will be curious and most will be supportive (many of those supporters being 'hard core cycling fans who know thw history.')

"Stages" podcast was a net gain for professional cycling last year. I reckon it'll be even more successful this year.

This trend does not excuse Lance for his pro cycling indiscretions, not at all ... but recognizes that partnerships will continue to be formed with Armstrong if he can deliver bona fide products that enhance pro cycling.

Cynicism can be helpful in the short term ... but is a highly unproductive, if not destructive, tool in the long run.Those that hold on to their moral and behaviorial rigidity (not to be confused with 'principle') will be consumed with their own hubris and become members of an increasingly diminished fraternity of hard core whatevers.

Ah, I see, my *moral rigidity* (as you say) amounts to hubris? I understand now... I'll take illegal drugs, take a dump on eveyone around me, bribe my way out of whatever I can, throw people under the bus to try and save myself, and constantly lie (even under oath). Wow, this lack of *moral rigidity* is totally freeing, plus in a few years people will be cool with it! Thanks Alpe!

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Re:

So it's the Donald Trump Publicity Stunt Concept - say or do anything to get on the front pages, then worry about the consequences later. Will Rocco be selling gelato there too? Maybe Lance can get OJ to come as well ...

He's been doing appearances like this for the last five years. Remember the Irish one that got cancelled? You heard about that, you hear about. Yet people are oddly silent about Australia and all the other places.

The mechanics of all of this ought to be really simple: if the public believe LA is persona non grata they will stay at home. If they don't stay at home ... you might need to reconsider your own position. He's been punished, is being punished, what right have you to add more?

This.

And they won't stay home. I reckon some will be angry, some will be curious and most will be supportive (many of those supporters being 'hard core cycling fans who know thw history.')

"Stages" podcast was a net gain for professional cycling last year. I reckon it'll be even more successful this year.

This trend does not excuse Lance for his pro cycling indiscretions, not at all ... but recognizes that partnerships will continue to be formed with Armstrong if he can deliver bona fide products that enhance pro cycling.

Cynicism can be helpful in the short term ... but is a highly unproductive, if not destructive, tool in the long run.Those that hold on to their moral and behaviorial rigidity (not to be confused with 'principle') will be consumed with their own hubris and become members of an increasingly diminished fraternity of hard core whatevers.

Ah, I see, my *moral rigidity* (as you say) amounts to hubris? I understand now... I'll take illegal drugs, take a dump on eveyone around me, bribe my way out of whatever I can, throw people under the bus to try and save myself, and constantly lie (even under oath). Wow, this lack of *moral rigidity* is totally freeing, plus in a few years people will be cool with it! Thanks Alpe!

So ... GP ... can I put you down as ... "will attend", "carnivorous meal", "1 free beer"?

 

[rick james]

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So Lance is back in the fold - Special guest for Flanders 2018 - Impeccable timing.

 

[GraftPunk]

So ... GP ... can I put you down as ... "will attend", "carnivorous meal", "1 free beer"?

will attend - no
carnivorous meal - OFC
Free beer? - OFC

Just saying, the guy is a jerk. Opinions vary, but I'm not sure if I'd piss on on him if he were on fire. He is just a very unpleasant person.

 

[aphronesis]

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So ... GP ... can I put you down as ... "will attend", "carnivorous meal", "1 free beer"?

will attend - no
carnivorous meal - OFC
Free beer? - OFC

Just saying, the guy is a jerk. Opinions vary, but I'm not sure if I'd piss on on him if he were on fire. He is just a very unpleasant person.

I guess people who judge others on actions of some 20 years ago (which have debatable lasting effect) are “pleasant”?

Glad to see the Judeo-Christian bias in full swing. Can you pop by and help raise the kids?

 

[GraftPunk]

Technically I'm an atheist, but sure, I'll play catch with the kids if you're too busy (I'm breaking in a new mitt right now, convenient, no?). It's in our our nature to judge, and when it comes to LA, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he isn't the guy you want to invite to your barbecue. But by all means keep defending, we're sort of used to it here.

 

[Irondan]

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Technically I'm an atheist, but sure, I'll play catch with the kids if you're too busy (I'm breaking in a new mitt right now, convenient, no?). It's in our our nature to judge, and when it comes to LA, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he isn't the guy you want to invite to your barbecue. But by all means keep defending, we're sort of used to it here.

Why wouldn't I want to invite LA to a barbecue? I think he would be a very interesting character to talk to over a beer, but that's just me personally. Yes, he's a pariah and the poster child of the cycling doping culture but he's still a human being.

 

[manafana]

Don't they want him for his huge reach into the American market even now, its a messy situation really.

 

[aphronesis]

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Technically I'm an atheist, but sure, I'll play catch with the kids if you're too busy (I'm breaking in a new mitt right now, convenient, no?). It's in our our nature to judge, and when it comes to LA, it doesn't take a genius to figure out he isn't the guy you want to invite to your barbecue. But by all means keep defending, we're sort of used to it here.

You don’t have to be religious to be pious.

I’m not defending what he did back then and never have, but keep projecting. Tell me though did Tygart and Novitzky clean up doping in US sport?

And actually I’m sure I’d far rather have a beer with him than people who are caught up on how he or anyone acted 10-20 years ago. Yes it’s bullying, but if someone says they’ve changed how they relate to the world, why not go with that rather than being hypocritical, prudish and judgmental.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

It's the organizers who look bad here, not Lance. He's got bills to pay!

Don't forget, DESPERATE! They must've been Liestrong donors :razz: