Official London Olympics Doping thread

[mb2612]

It was a tactical race though, so maybe they were going on the gap to e.g. the WC, rather than time.

In a slow race though it's all about the kick, and when you have 12 seconds spare capacity you can finish fast.

 

[taiwan]

In a slow race though it's all about the kick, and when you have 12 seconds spare capacity you can finish fast.

Doesn't really explaiin why the rest of the field was gapped quite so much.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Sick of these insinuations, where's the effing proof?

since when you watch, do or know cycling? ... Must be past 2008

 

[Libertine Seguros]

10 seconds slower than his time in 2010, he ran 12 seconds quicker a month ago. see here.

Not a sudden jump in performance here.

BBC commentators don't follow athletics particularly carefully I guess.

That heat was run very slowly though. The surprise is more how he schooled the field in the last 200 than the speed he ran. Same as the whole Team Sky thing - they're not putting out superhuman numbers, they're just clearly the class of a field they wouldn't have been expected to be the class of before.

 

[stampedingviking]

since when you watch, do or know cycling? ... Must be past 2008

Late '80s thank you.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Late '80s thank you.

So then... i really don´t understand your previous post. It´s not my fault that we got lied at, cheated and taken for a fools time and time gain. Time to stop trusting greedy selfish athlets when dubious performances or shaddy results come up. The only sure clean performance so far seems to be the men long jump.

 

[masking_agent]

I wonder what Dr. Michael Ashenden would think of Usain Bolt's super human efforts ?

 

[mb2612]

The fifth fastest man this year winning a sprint finish isn't inherently surprising to me, especially when everyone knows they just need top 5 to get through. If he wins the final then I will be very suspicious though.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Gordon of Trinidad takes his semi and 400m PB down from 45 seconds to 44.5", looking very, very easy.

 

[saosinfangirl]

That heat was run very slowly though. The surprise is more how he schooled the field in the last 200 than the speed he ran. Same as the whole Team Sky thing - they're not putting out superhuman numbers, they're just clearly the class of a field they wouldn't have been expected to be the class of before.

Doesn't really explaiin why the rest of the field was gapped quite so much.

It was a heat, not a final. The top five plus the next two fastest times advanced to final..

yeah, Christine "doper" Ohuruogu - silver medal. sad. BBC = racist

 

[JimmyFingers]

Did I?

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Yes you did....

 

[will10]

Yes you did....

If you can't even read someone's post, I won't waste any more time.

 

[Galic Ho]

I'm glad you asked.

At the start of the 21st century, the provision of 50-metre swimming pools in the United Kingdom was very poor for a developed country.

Few universities possessed 50-metre pools, and there was a marked reluctance on the part of municipal authorities to build new public long-course facilities.

As of 2011, however, a substantial number of pools have either recently opened, or are under development. The successful bid to hold the 2012 Summer Olympics in London has undoubtedly added impetus to the latter.

That's only in the last 10 years! Basically if you were outside London before 2000 access to a 50m pool was extremely limited. You simply cannot compete at even a national level training in a standard 25m pool never mind Olympic level.

Your right athletes that give suspicious performances and look like freaks need to be monitored and investigated.

However the above example of infrastructure is one aspect, in one sport, in one country of how advances are constantly made that are not related to doping. This will 100% guaranteed lead to faster swim times from British swimmers before they get anywhere a competition.

Thats actually a sad story. Doesn't help with the myth poms don't bath. But I don't buy it entirely. May play part with a portion of the UK's population but not the majority. Most people can access a large enough pool as a youngling.

The UK is geographically very, very small. Not really an excuse IMO. If you really want to train, you could move. Transport at a young age is actually not very far. You would understand this if you lived in a country as physically large as Australia. If I want to go to an indoor pool, I have to travel 60km to Bathurst or 40km to Katoomba. Thats 12 years after we had an Olympics BTW, with major infastructure upgrades.

Got an actual number of pools per capita? I mean seriously, do you think Aussies have tons of pools? All the big swimmers train in capital cities. Always have. You move to the facilities. Higher populated areas statistically provide the biggest sample group and thus potentially the most chance of unearthing an Olympic talent.

No, the reason the UK doesn't have the swimming history of Australia and GB is attitudal. Weather IMO plays a huge. Wet and cold does not equate with swimming. Swimming is a sport one does to cool down. FFS I read British papers and they are whining about a hot summer day. Alas it's only 27 degress centigrade on the mercury. Thats warm at best. Hot is over 35 degrees. No, the UK is climatically cold. Who wants to swim when it is cold? You rug up and stay indoors. The UK's climate is not inclusive and persuasive for encouraging swimming. Got almost nothing to do with pools champ or access to them.

Also look at government and state sponsored programs. That plays a huge part. Australian, American and Chinese swimmers are identified very early on. Sample size is also very large. Wonder why the Australian swimming team has so many Queenslanders in it? Climate and location. Further north and hotter. All inducive and complementary to young people getting in the water.

 

[taiwan]

It was a heat, not a final. The top five plus the next two fastest times advanced to final..

yeah, Christine "doper" Ohuruogu - silver medal. sad. BBC = racist

in the 1500m the Brits were way off the pace anyway, so i don't see where racism or xenophobia comes into it unless Algerians have an undeserved rep for doping.

Ohurugu - you really think there going to bring up her whereabouts violation tonight? Biased, but what do you expect?

sorry was it a missed test?

 

[JimmyFingers]

If you can't even read someone's post, I won't waste any more time.

Please feel free

 

[luckyboy]

Two confirmed dopers on the podium with "the most naturally gifted athlete the world has ever seen" (by his own account).

BBC crew ****ting all over Gatlin, not mentioning Blake's doping.

 

[will10]

Gotta love the awkward moment when the BBC presenter mentions Gatlin matched Ben Johnson's time from '88

 

[Arnout]

Two confirmed dopers on the podium with "the most naturally gifted athlete the world has ever seen" (by his own account).

Who are the dopers and who is the "naturally gifted"? I don't follow athletics.

 

[mb2612]

Who are the dopers and who is the "naturally gifted"? I don't follow athletics.

Bolt claims to be naturally gifted, Blake and Gatlin have both had doping suspensions, Gatlin twice.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Bolt claims to be naturally gifted, Blake and Gatlin have both had doping suspensions, Gatlin twice.

Yes.
9.63"-9.98" 100m field spread in very cool conditions.
Nothing to see there, then.

 

[Arnout]

Yes.
9.63"-9.98" 100m field spread in very cool conditions.
Nothing to see there, then.

No Only that the world record of before 2000s is improved by landslides in the easiest sport event in the world

Bolt claims to be naturally gifted, Blake and Gatlin have both had doping suspensions, Gatlin twice.

Thanks, I see. 3 months for Blake for a substance not on world doping list. In Jamaica's defense, they appealed the decision to not ban him on that ground.

 

[Dalakhani]

I can believe Bolt. The guy is a physical freak (a huge guy who can run really, really fast), so it's not impossible to believe he can wipe the floor with the others - mechanically (due to leg length), it's like he's playing a different game.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

German Tv just enlighted me:
Bolt has a higher knee lift and touches the ground less than his opponents. Thus he needs only 41 steps for 100 meters. It´s all easy explainable why he beats the dopers.

BTW, it was easy explained in german TV why Ben Johnson ran a sensational 9.79 back in 1988 (beating Lewis who owned Johnson until 1986): B/C of his explosive start he gained the lead which made him unique*.

And when Michael Johnson shattered the 200 record (from high altitude 19.72 to 19.32 in 1996), it was also easy explained: He used powerful short steps which made him unique.




* in reality, Ben Johnson was always faster than Lewis at the start, but couldn´t hold the power trou 100 meters, which changed with his powerful doping program.

 

[will10]

Relay runners Blake, Fothergill, Spence and Anderson as well as Brooks were withdrawn by Jamaica from the World Championships in Berlin last month.
All five athletes tested positive for methylxanthine at Jamaica's championships which ran from 26-28 June, but were initially cleared by a disciplinary panel on the basis the substance was not on the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) banned list.

But Jadco then appealed against the verdict stating the substance had a similar structure to tuaminoheptane, a banned stimulant according to Wada.
Blake, who won bronze in the 100m at the world junior championships in 2006, is Olympic champion Bolt's training partner and has recorded the fifth-fastest time over 100m this year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8240046.stm

 

[will10]

I can believe Bolt. The guy is a physical freak (a huge guy who can run really, really fast), so it's not impossible to believe he can wipe the floor with the others - mechanically (due to leg length), it's like he's playing a different game.

So why isn't the 100m final full of 6'6" guys?