Official London Olympics Doping thread

[sniper]

I am not saying no one is doping. But it is a step up to say that the IOC and UCI have given them a green light to do what they want because it is the Olympics. Sure, they might have been doing it before and that is what they had previous results. Its sad that things have got to a point where anyone that wins is a doper. Given the history I understand why but still..

I said this with the TdF in mind, and the overall british medal count, both of which were/are suspicious. I said nothing about track cycling, as I agree there is nothing overly suspicious about the british success there.

 

[Frosty]

So why isn't the 100m final full of 6'6" guys?

This is what i wonder. Sprinting is something every child does. If someone really is that fast then it would be noticed. Is he really that much of a freak?

 

[Magnus]

Does anyone else think that Ed Clancy's performance in the Omnium pretty much sums it up?

Superb in the timed events.

Awful when it comes to "injecting" (pun intended) a bit of tactical nous?

Sums what up? Isn't Clancy the starter on the gb tp team and as the only starter does 1½ round on the front in the beginning? Not really surprising that he then does really good in the flying lap and the 1k.

And it's not really like he's awful in the mass start events. At the worlds he finished 7th, 10th and 7th in the mass start events (out of 24). At the Olympics he was 11th, 5th and 10th.

It seems some riders is primarily good in the timed events and some are primarily good in the mass start events.

 

[will10]

This is what i wonder. Sprinting is something every child does. If someone really is that fast then it would be noticed. Is he really that much of a freak?

Michael Johnson did a review a couple of years ago and basically said in general, that really tall guys in the 100m are disadvantaged at the start as the more typical, punchy, shorter sprinter is out of the blocks and gone before the tall guys get moving. He showed that Bolt is unusual in that he is still level with the shorter guys at 30m, and can then make use of a longer stride pattern.

On the other hand you can look back through this thread and look at the lack of testing in the Caribbean, the sheer number of world class sprinters coming from Jamaica (and those that are getting caught), and you can come to another conclusion.

 

[veganrob]

German Tv just enlighted me:
Bolt has a higher knee lift and touches the ground less than his opponents. Thus he needs only 41 steps for 100 meters. It´s all easy explainable why he beats the dopers.

BTW, it was easy explained in german TV why Ben Johnson ran a sensational 9.79 back in 1988 (beating Lewis who owned Johnson until 1986): B/C of his explosive start he gained the lead which made him unique*.

And when Michael Johnson shattered the 200 record (from high altitude 19.72 to 19.32 in 1996), it was also easy explained: He used powerful short steps which made him unique.




* in reality, Ben Johnson was always faster than Lewis at the start, but couldn´t hold the power trou 100 meters, which changed with his powerful doping program.

I have read that Bolt takes 2 more steps than others despite his height. Hmm, I'll have to count I guess.

just looked further, you are correct

 

[richtea]

Thats actually a sad story. Doesn't help with the myth poms don't bath.

In the UK, shower and bathing facilities are virtually always available at home. As a result, UK citizens don't generally go to a swimming pool to get washed. I hope that clears up your confusion!

 

[The Hitch]

Just watched a 1500m men's heat and the commentators seemed pretty dumbfounded that this Algerian guy Makhloufi won. Sprinted away from the field with 200m to go.
One of them said he "didn't know what to make of that"

They are right though. Winning the 1500m semis by half a second is so much more suspicious than winning the 100m final by basically the same margin, as their hero did in Beijing and Berlin.

 

[The Hitch]

Gotta love the awkward moment when the BBC presenter mentions Gatlin matched Ben Johnson's time from '88

The bbc went surprisingly hard after Gatlin, considering they mention Car Lewis as the greatest athlete ever, about 3 times every day.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The bbc went surprisingly hard after Gatlin, considering they mention Car Lewis as the greatest athlete ever, about 3 times every day.

I love that.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This Bolt thing reminds me of this:

The story is spot on. A horse chemical enhanced at the circus show with much fanfare.

 

[simo1733]

I love that.

Gatlin is a convicted doper.Now he has come back and he is faster than before.Either his dope was ineffective or he is still doping or its all a big mistake and he never doped at all.
If you look at Basso, Valverde, etc they come back slower.

 

[simo1733]

In the UK, shower and bathing facilities are virtually always available at home. As a result, UK citizens don't generally go to a swimming pool to get washed. I hope that clears up your confusion!

That story about swimming pools is deliberately misrepresenting the facts.There are very few Olympic size pools but quite a few 50m pools which do not meet Olympic spec.
The aquatic centre is the first Olympic pool in London but not the first 50m pool.Britain doesn't have great facilities for elite swimming so need to exaggerate to make a story.

 

[pedaling squares]

Gotta love the awkward moment when the BBC presenter mentions Gatlin matched Ben Johnson's time from '88

Gatlin puts up a PB after getting off the dope. When are these guys going to learn that drugs only slow you down?

And the 100 metre chemistry experiment continues...

 

[Caruut]

The bbc went surprisingly hard after Gatlin, considering they mention Car Lewis as the greatest athlete ever, about 3 times every day.

On the same program too they were fawning over Ohuruogu and Blake. The mind boggles as to how they can keep straight faces while spouting this rubbish.

They spent a whole day laying into a Chinese swimmer for winning golds as a teeenager, yet stayed silent when Missy Franklin, Katie Ledecky and Rūta Meilutytė were winning and setting records. Crazy.

 

[Dalakhani]

So why isn't the 100m final full of 6'6" guys?

Because, really big guys tend to be slowed down by their size. (I'd go as far as saying they'd been under-represented in the 100m prior to Bolt.)

He seems to be able to combine both size and speed. And. by being unique in this, it's possible, IMO, to believe he could put up super fast times.

(Based on the notion that people getting far superior results must be doing something different - it could just be that his height is the "something different".)

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That Bolt dude is as fake as the rest of the lot. Nice milk cow for the IAAF though.

 

[The Hitch]

Because, really big guys tend to be slowed down by their size. (I'd go as far as saying they'd been under-represented in the 100m prior to Bolt.)

He seems to be able to combine both size and speed. And. by being unique in this, it's possible, IMO, to believe he could put up super fast times.

(Based on the notion that people getting far superior results must be doing something different - it could just be that his height is the "something different".)

High cadence.might also be the reason Armstrong won all those tours.

 

[Dalakhani]

High cadence.might also be the reason Armstrong won all those tours.

You seem to be missing the point: any top cyclist can change his cadence. Armstrong could be copied.

A 6 foot sprinter doesn't have a way of replicating Bolt's running style - because he's only 6 foot tall.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So why isn't the 100m final full of 6'6" guys?

Because they are all playing women's basketball?

 

[sniper]

WTF?
Previously, I was only speculating about an anti-Eastern-European bias in IOC's anti-doping campagne.
But now it's getting ridiculous:
All five retrospective positives from Athens concern Eastern Europeans.

It seems the IOC is really trying to make us believe that the West is clean and the East is crooked.

Die fünf durch Nachttests der Dopingproben von den Olympischen Sommerspielen 2004 überführten Sportler sind laut einem englischen Medienbericht allesamt osteuropäische Leichtathleten aus Wurfdisziplinen, darunter auch Medaillengewinner.

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/sport/m...achtests-fuenf-leichtathleten-betroffen.story

 

[King Boonen]

WTF?
Previously, I was only speculating about an anti-Eastern-European bias in IOC's anti-doping campagne.
But now it's getting ridiculous:
All five retrospective positives from Athens concern Eastern Europeans.

It seems the IOC is really trying to make us believe that the West is clean and the East is crooked.

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/sport/m...achtests-fuenf-leichtathleten-betroffen.story

Nah, just that the west has better programs...

 

[sniper]

They are under an unusual anti-doping process, so it could be more difficult to have nice ricovering after a difficult match.

interesting point.
indeed fed's match against delpo wasn't exactly a walkover.
whereas he would normally (i.e. in any ATP tournament) have been able to juice up and thus enhance recovery, he might now have to have been been more careful, which would at least partially explain his remarkably bad shape in the final.

 

[sniper]

Nah, just that the west has better programs...

of course, that's it, and we all know.

So the question I'm asking is:
Are IOC unable to catch western athletes, or are they unwilling to catch western athletes?

(Or third option: are IOC catching western athletes only to subsequently shove the positives under the carpet?)

 

[No_Balls]

1500m heats - the Algerian Makhloufi basically getting called out by BBC commentators.

Anyone see the Turkish 400mHer false starting? Super masculine and an odd mistake to make, but I don't trust myself to be able to tell what's happening there.

This sums it up really. Pretty much everyone who aint brit (or westerner at least) are doped up or suspicious. The effect is triggered by the home success and is reaching boiling points. The arrogance has reached its peak.

Cant wait until this hoax is over. The hunt for dopers cant work properly under these circumstances.

 

[will10]

Gatlin is a convicted doper.Now he has come back and he is faster than before.Either his dope was ineffective or he is still doping or its all a big mistake and he never doped at all.
If you look at Basso, Valverde, etc they come back slower.

Check out Blake's progress since he got suspended.

The 100m is one of those races you can only see as an exhibition. It's barely sport anymore. As a result I was cheering for Gatlin to win ahead of Blake because the headlines would've been hilarious.