Official London Olympics Doping thread

[D-Queued]

China
US
GB
Russia

(Ditto on S. Korea... Badminton???)

N. Korea - weightlifting, really?
Azerbaijan - boxing fix

Dave.

 

[sniper]

China
US
GB
Russia

add the German rowing section.

 

[gustienordic]

Watching the 800m women's swimming. No way the young American is clean. Way ahead of world record pace and 15. bull****

 

[gustienordic]

from eurosport commentary:

"We are seeing all the veterans and experienced athletes getting beat by 15 and 16 year olds"

This is sad.

 

[buckle]

Where we can find some of Lord Coe's old urine?

Top ten all-time athletes on the men's 800 mUpdated August 2010

Rank Time Athlete Nation Date Location Ref
1 1:41.01 David Rudisha Kenya 29 August 2010 Rieti
2 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer Denmark 24 August 1997 Cologne
3 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe United Kingdom 10 June 1981 Florence
4 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz Brazil 26 August 1984 Cologne
5 1:42.23 Abubaker Kaki Khamis Sudan 4 June 2010 Oslo [1]
6 1:42.28 Sammy Koskei Kenya 26 August 1984 Cologne
7 1:42.34 Wilfred Bungei Kenya 8 September 2002 Rieti
8 1:42.47 Yuriy Borzakovskiy Russia 24 August 2001 Brussels
9 1:42.55 Andre Bucher Switzerland 17 August 2001 Zürich
10 1:42.58 Vebjørn Rodal Norway 31 July 1996 Atlanta

 

[mb2612]

Top ten all-time athletes on the men's 800 mUpdated August 2010

Rank Time Athlete Nation Date Location Ref
1 1:41.01 David Rudisha Kenya 29 August 2010 Rieti
2 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer Denmark 24 August 1997 Cologne
3 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe United Kingdom 10 June 1981 Florence
4 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz Brazil 26 August 1984 Cologne
5 1:42.23 Abubaker Kaki Khamis Sudan 4 June 2010 Oslo [1]
6 1:42.28 Sammy Koskei Kenya 26 August 1984 Cologne
7 1:42.34 Wilfred Bungei Kenya 8 September 2002 Rieti
8 1:42.47 Yuriy Borzakovskiy Russia 24 August 2001 Brussels
9 1:42.55 Andre Bucher Switzerland 17 August 2001 Zürich
10 1:42.58 Vebjørn Rodal Norway 31 July 1996 Atlanta

looks acceptable to me, a few freak athletes scattered over 20 years, seems like what I would expect assuming no technological advances.

 

[The Hitch]

Top ten all-time athletes on the men's 800 mUpdated August 2010

Rank Time Athlete Nation Date Location Ref
1 1:41.01 David Rudisha Kenya 29 August 2010 Rieti
2 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer Denmark 24 August 1997 Cologne
3 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe United Kingdom 10 June 1981 Florence
4 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz Brazil 26 August 1984 Cologne
5 1:42.23 Abubaker Kaki Khamis Sudan 4 June 2010 Oslo [1]
6 1:42.28 Sammy Koskei Kenya 26 August 1984 Cologne
7 1:42.34 Wilfred Bungei Kenya 8 September 2002 Rieti
8 1:42.47 Yuriy Borzakovskiy Russia 24 August 2001 Brussels
9 1:42.55 Andre Bucher Switzerland 17 August 2001 Zürich
10 1:42.58 Vebjørn Rodal Norway 31 July 1996 Atlanta

Yes, its interesting that some athletics times have remained similar for a while, whereas in swimming and track cycling they keep breaking them every race.

But i saw a interesting graphic in a magazine here called "shortlist" last week, which listed the best time from each decade for each distance in athletics, and for almost all of them, the gap between 80's and 90's was twice as big as between any other decades.

Ill try to see if i can find it.

 

[BroDeal]

from eurosport commentary:

"We are seeing all the veterans and experienced athletes getting beat by 15 and 16 year olds"

That really says it all right there.

Top ten all-time athletes on the men's 800 mUpdated August 2010

Rank Time Athlete Nation Date Location Ref
1 1:41.01 David Rudisha Kenya 29 August 2010 Rieti
2 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer Denmark 24 August 1997 Cologne
3 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe United Kingdom 10 June 1981 Florence
4 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz Brazil 26 August 1984 Cologne
5 1:42.23 Abubaker Kaki Khamis Sudan 4 June 2010 Oslo [1]
6 1:42.28 Sammy Koskei Kenya 26 August 1984 Cologne
7 1:42.34 Wilfred Bungei Kenya 8 September 2002 Rieti
8 1:42.47 Yuriy Borzakovskiy Russia 24 August 2001 Brussels
9 1:42.55 Andre Bucher Switzerland 17 August 2001 Zürich
10 1:42.58 Vebjørn Rodal Norway 31 July 1996 Atlanta

3 from the 80's
2 from the 90's
3 from the 00's
2 from the 10's

That is really interesting. It is like there has been hardly any advancement in thirty years. The gap from first to third covers twenty-nine years and is about a 0.7% difference.

 

[Koba80]

I have a new favourite thread on CN.

Not least as Meretnyyazow can hardly have said to have been doping. A dope, yes, but he's our dope...

 

[Blakeslee]

Another eyebrow raising evening from the U.S. swim team. Missy Franklin shaves 3/4ths of a second off a world record (last set with a now banned polyurethane bodysuit), then Katie Ledecky comes from nowhere and blows away the field in her race. Not filling me with confidence here.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

 

[sniper]

Another eyebrow raising evening from the U.S. swim team. Missy Franklin shaves 3/4ths of a second off a world record (last set with a now banned polyurethane bodysuit), then Katie Ledecky comes from nowhere and blows away the field in her race. Not filling me with confidence here.

In Europe, swimmers participate in youth competitions at the age of 17.

For other sports besides swimming, I can now only think of gymnastics as producing such young champions.

In e.g. tennis, with very few exceptions (e.g. Becker winning Wimbledon at the age of 16), players usually peak post-20.
Same with football. Most peak between 20-30 years of age, notwithstanding some exceptions (e.g. Messi, or Pirlo on the other extreme).

 

[buckle]

Top ten all-time athletes on the men's 800 mUpdated August 2010

Rank Time Athlete Nation Date Location Ref
1 1:41.01 David Rudisha Kenya 29 August 2010 Rieti
2 1:41.11 Wilson Kipketer Denmark 24 August 1997 Cologne
3 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe United Kingdom 10 June 1981 Florence
4 1:41.77 Joaquim Cruz Brazil 26 August 1984 Cologne
5 1:42.23 Abubaker Kaki Khamis Sudan 4 June 2010 Oslo [1]
6 1:42.28 Sammy Koskei Kenya 26 August 1984 Cologne
7 1:42.34 Wilfred Bungei Kenya 8 September 2002 Rieti
8 1:42.47 Yuriy Borzakovskiy Russia 24 August 2001 Brussels
9 1:42.55 Andre Bucher Switzerland 17 August 2001 Zürich
10 1:42.58 Vebjørn Rodal Norway 31 July 1996 Atlanta

Cruz (1984) was one of the few to trash Flo Jo publicly at L.A. in 1984. I am not suggesting that is proof of cleanliness but heck this is worse than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(1982_film). I don't get No. 5's fly dropping [1] although it was run at the Bislett games where the freaks can earn big bucks. Interestingly, I suspect No. 8 is clean or his Olympic gold medal looked that way in 2004. For that reason No. 3 and No. 8 are of interest: 20 years and Borzakovskiy is 0.76 slower. This guy emerged from post-Soviet Russia and genuinely might have been trying to race clean.

 

[saosinfangirl]

from eurosport commentary:

"We are seeing all the veterans and experienced athletes getting beat by 15 and 16 year olds"

This is sad.

Women swimmers peak young. The average world class woman swimmer retires at the age of 23-25.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Women swimmers peak young. The average world class woman swimmer retires at the age of 23-25.

But only because they are washed out at this time. In all sports the human performance peaks around age 28.

 

[buckle]

Another eyebrow raising evening from the U.S. swim team. Missy Franklin shaves 3/4ths of a second off a world record (last set with a now banned polyurethane bodysuit), then Katie Ledecky comes from nowhere and blows away the field in her race. Not filling me with confidence here.

Katie now has a fan club in China. I suspect that this WR is not a good one but at 15 it's weird. It's the sort of distance which should attract veterans like Adlington. I just wonder if there is stuff about the immediate post-pubescent female body which we don't understand.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Katie now has a fan club in China. I suspect that this WR is not a good one but at 15 it's weird. It's the sort of distance which should attract veterans like Adlington. I just wonder if there is stuff about the immediate post-pubescent female body which we don't understand.

Exactly. That´s why 100 m runners look like bodybuilders nowadays, b/c their bodies can´t take the demanding effects of running after age 15.

Holy BS.

Those kids swimming are abused & washed out when young and then thrown in the dust bin. At least in other sports they let them grow and to some extent let them decide on their own if they wanna destroy their bodies forever.

 

[buckle]

Exactly. That´s why 100 m runners look like bodybuilders nowadays, b/c their bodies can´t take the demanding effects of running after age 15.

Holy BS.

Those kids swimming are abused & washed out when young and then thrown in the dust bin. At least in other sports they let them grow and to some extent let them decide on their own if they wanna destroy their bodies forever.

I was thinking about the 9-14 range. As in pubescent or immediate post-pubescent (we could be talking a small window here). Is there some physiological condition or process which coaches can tap into? She beat Adlington, who had targeted the race, by quite a margin. RA is an Olympic champion at the shorter event of course. Perhaps they should ban under 18s?

 

[Poursuivant]

You can get 9/4 on mens 100m world record being broken. Looks good dont you think?

 

[The Cobra]

I really don't understand these swimmers. How is that a swimmers peak is when they are teenagers? I mean these girls look strong, really strong and swimming is a physical event. Surely they shouldn't be at their best till their early - mid twenties in order to fully develop the muscular strength needed? I can't swim for **** so maybe I'm missing something and someone with more knowledge can explain how this is possible.

Also did you guys watch the womens 10,000m? Tirunesh Dibaba totally crushed everyone! She sprinted that last 400m and looked very 'fresh' at the finish. I know its not the best idea to judge doping based on facial expressions but you would have thought she would be going deep in the red to significantly up the pace with around 800 to go, but didn't see any evidence of that at all. Looked very comfortable.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I really don't understand these swimmers. How is that a swimmers peak is when they are teenagers? I mean these girls look strong, really strong and swimming is a physical event. Surely they shouldn't be at their best till their early - mid twenties in order to fully develop the muscular strength needed? I can't swim for **** so maybe I'm missing something and someone with more knowledge can explain how this is possible.

Also did you guys watch the womens 10,000m? Tirunesh Dibaba totally crushed everyone! She sprinted that last 400m and looked very 'fresh' at the finish. I know its not the best idea to judge doping based on facial expressions but you would have thought she would be going deep in the red to significantly up the pace with around 800 to go, but didn't see any evidence of that at all. Looked very comfortable.

Ironic post.

 

[Frosty]

I really don't understand these swimmers. How is that a swimmers peak is when they are teenagers? I mean these girls look strong, really strong and swimming is a physical event. Surely they shouldn't be at their best till their early - mid twenties in order to fully develop the muscular strength needed? I can't swim for **** so maybe I'm missing something and someone with more knowledge can explain how this is possible.

Also did you guys watch the womens 10,000m? Tirunesh Dibaba totally crushed everyone! She sprinted that last 400m and looked very 'fresh' at the finish. I know its not the best idea to judge doping based on facial expressions but you would have thought she would be going deep in the red to significantly up the pace with around 800 to go, but didn't see any evidence of that at all. Looked very comfortable.

9 or 10 out of the 14 runners achieved personal bests - Dibaba was 30 seconds outside hers which was set in the Olympic final 4 years ago. This suggests that she was running relatively easily for 9200 metres and then put the pressure on.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

My signature is getting more hilarious as the Olympics go on.

How about Jonathan Borlee cruising his way to a PB on the 400 today? That's stunting. Fraser-Pryce was hilarious also yesterday. Have a heart, guys. At least try to LOOK like you put in some effort, damn.

 

[buckle]

9 or 10 out of the 14 runners achieved personal bests - Dibaba was 30 seconds outside hers which was set in the Olympic final 4 years ago. This suggests that she was running relatively easily for 9200 metres and then put the pressure on.

The two Kenyan girls didn't run as a team and seemed to set it up for Dibaba but this race leaves me wondering whether track and field is the blue ribbon event it once was? The attempts by the BBC commentators (one of them cannot speak English) to big this up compounded the embarassement.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I was thinking about the 9-14 range. As in pubescent or immediate post-pubescent (we could be talking a small window here). Is there some physiological condition or process which coaches can tap into? She beat Adlington, who had targeted the race, by quite a margin. RA is an Olympic champion at the shorter event of course. Perhaps they should ban under 18s?

That would be a start to at least get rid of the most degenerated morals in olympic sports.