Teams & Riders Official Wout Van Aert thread

[tobydawq]

Vingegaard will win the Tour de France come Sunday, and will be the top GC dog until further notice.

Van Aert is the #1 domestique in the world, and one of the 2 most versatile riders in the world. But he's too much a jack of all trades and master of none.

He is a master of everything.

 

[tobydawq]

Unless being a domestique is the #1 criterion for being the #1 best rider in the world, I simply don't think Van Aert is the best rider in the world. His climbing, compared to say peak Sagan, changes little, unless he wins Liege, Lombardia or the WC on a mountainious route, and he hasn't.

Why on Earth does it change "little"?

 

[Red Rick]

Why on Earth does it change "little"?

Because it adds little to races he can win, besides Liege, maybe Lombardia and a number of WC routes. Van Aert cannot win GTs.

In this regard I find Pogacars showings in Sanremo and de Ronde much more significant.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Because it adds little to races he can win, besides Liege, maybe Lombardia and a number of WC routes. Van Aert cannot win GTs.

In this regard I find Pogacars showings in Sanremo and de Ronde much more significant.

Yet you claimed Vingegaard, who has done f-all at anything except the TDF, is a better rider.

 

[tobydawq]

Because it adds little to races he can win, besides Liege, maybe Lombardia and a number of WC routes. Van Aert cannot win GTs.

In this regard I find Pogacars showings in Sanremo and de Ronde much more significant.

So everything is about monuments to you? Meaning that a non-GT rider's TT abilities are completely insignificant.

It's like, the whole world was in awe of what Van Aert did today, and you just sat there with a stopwatch, thinking, nah, this was to be expected, now even Vingegaard is better than him.

He dropped Pogacar on the Hautacam after having ridden on the front the entire day, for crying out loud. His performance was ridiculous. I cannot fathom how you can continue to be so unimpressed.

And of course he can win LBL and Lombardia with this level.

 

[dutchdescent]

Thanks Wout for saving me from wasting my time tomorrow and day after watching something that no one enjoys.

 

[Red Rick]

Yet you claimed Vingegaard, who has done f-all at anything except the TDF, is a better rider.

Winning the Tour is better than podiums in monuments and winning a few classics below that. Ofcourse it's nice to be able to win both, which is why Roglic and Pogacar are still #1 and #2 for me.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So everything is about monuments to you? Meaning that a non-GT rider's TT abilities are completely insignificant.

It's like, the whole world was in awe of what Van Aert did today, and you just sat there with a stopwatch, thinking, nah, this was to be expected, now even Vingegaard is better than him.

He dropped Pogacar on the Hautacam after having ridden on the front the entire day, for crying out loud. His performance was ridiculous. I cannot fathom how you can continue to be so unimpressed.

And of course he can win LBL and Lombardia with this level.

Obviously



I'm much more of a contrarian who likes to overstate a piss take every now and when.

 

[Red Rick]

....

Congratulations. Now you never have to argue with me again.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

On no.

 

[jmdirt]

WOW! Amazing race!

 

[red_flanders]

Vingegaard will win the Tour de France come Sunday, and will be the top GC dog until further notice.

Van Aert is the #1 domestique in the world, and one of the 2 most versatile riders in the world. But he's too much a jack of all trades and master of none.

This post does a profound disservice to both Tadej Pogačar and Wout Van Aert. Vingegaard will be the defending champion of one Tour barring catastrophe. No small thing. That said, by far the best stage racer in the world is Tadej Pogačar. He's won basically every stage race he's entered for the last 2 years barring this one. There is now a battle at the Tour, but top GC dog? That's still Pogačar. One race doesn't erase all he's done.

Wout is by miles the most versatile rider in the world. Who is comparable? Calling him a domestique is silly and you must know it, particularly after complaining all during the first week that Jumbo were idiots for the way they let Wout go for his own chances and didn't force him to submit to domestique duties. He's a winning racer with an incredible palmares. He has 5 stage wins in the last two Tours (as of this writing) and has a great chance for 6 come the TT. He's won TT's, mountain stages, and sprints. This year he's won E3 and Het Nieuwsblad as well as second in PR and 3rd in LBL. MSR, Strade Bianche, Amstel, and the Belgian championship are on his palmares as are many more. Come on. "Master of None"? Let's have a serious conversation at least.

 

[Red Rick]

This post does a profound disservice to both Tadej Pogačar and Wout Van Aert. Vingegaard will be the defending champion of one Tour barring catastrophe. No small thing. That said, by far the best stage racer in the world is Tadej Pogačar. He's won basically every stage race he's entered for the last 2 years barring this one. There is now a battle at the Tour, but top GC dog? That's still Pogačar. One race doesn't erase all he's done.

Wout is by miles the most versatile rider in the world. Who is comparable? Calling him a domestique is silly and you must know it, particularly after complaining all during the first week that Jumbo were idiots for the way they let Wout go for his own chances and didn't force him to submit to domestique duties. He's a winning racer with an incredible palmares. He has 5 stage wins in the last two Tours (as of this writing) and has a great chance for 6 come the TT. He's won TT's, mountain stages, and sprints. This year he's won E3 and Het Nieuwsblad as well as second in PR and 3rd in LBL. MSR, Strade Bianche, Amstel, and the Belgian championship are on his palmares as are many more. Come on. "Master of None"? Let's have a serious conversation at least.

I said Vingegaard will be ahead of Van Aert, not that he'd be #1 in my book.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

This post does a profound disservice to both Tadej Pogačar and Wout Van Aert. Vingegaard will be the defending champion of one Tour barring catastrophe. No small thing. That said, by far the best stage racer in the world is Tadej Pogačar. He's won basically every stage race he's entered for the last 2 years barring this one. There is now a battle at the Tour, but top GC dog? That's still Pogačar. One race doesn't erase all he's done.

Wout is by miles the most versatile rider in the world. Who is comparable? Calling him a domestique is silly and you must know it, particularly after complaining all during the first week that Jumbo were idiots for the way they let Wout go for his own chances and didn't force him to submit to domestique duties. He's a winning racer with an incredible palmares. He has 5 stage wins in the last two Tours (as of this writing) and has a great chance for 6 come the TT. He's won TT's, mountain stages, and sprints. This year he's won E3 and Het Nieuwsblad as well as second in PR and 3rd in LBL. MSR, Strade Bianche, Amstel, and the Belgian championship are on his palmares as are many more. Come on. "Master of None"? Let's have a serious conversation at least.

He doesn't like to be called out for his selfserving BS. So please don't.

 

[Red Rick]

Wout is by miles the most versatile rider in the world. Who is comparable?

I dunno but Pogacar has been a lot closer to winning Sanremo or De Ronde than Van Aert has been to winning Grand Tours.

 

[Red Rick]

He doesn't like to be called out for his selfserving BS. So please don't.

It's very self serving of mine when others deliberately misrepresent what I say

 

[ice&fire]

With today's climbing legs he would have crushed Remco in Liege

 

[roundabout]

I wonder what now for Van Aert in the Tour. Same as this year, but polka dots instead of green? Somewhat joking of course.

He will probably be riding on the team with the main GC favorite for the remainder of the current contract, but it will still be a shame if 2023/2024 will be broadly a repeat of what he has been doing previously.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

I wonder what now for Van Aert in the Tour. Same as this year, but polka dots instead of green? Somewhat joking of course.

He will probably be riding on the team with the main GC favorite for the remainder of the current contract, but it will still be a shame if 2023/2024 will be broadly a repeat of what he has been doing previously.

I don't think he'd mind racking up two or three stages & the green for another couple of seasons. Then it's time to begin the Transformation. Just imagine what a 65kg Van Aert would do in the mountains (if he weren't dead, of course).

 

[red_flanders]

I dunno but Pogacar has been a lot closer to winning Sanremo or De Ronde than Van Aert has been to winning Grand Tours.

Well Pogi is about as close to winning bunch sprints on the Champs Elysees as Wout is to winning a GT...not close but also not unthinkable. But if you want to say Pogačar is the best bike racer in the world you have a great case. I just don't see him as nearly as versatile as Wout. Wout wins in disciplines where it just doesn't cross over. Guys who win field sprints do not win TT's and mountain stages in GT's. Except Wout. That's where he's more versatile. GT winners have historically won big classics, that's not unheard of. What Wout is doing hasn't been done since Merckx.

I said Vingegaard will be ahead of Van Aert, not that he'd be #1 in my book.

I have a hard time getting my head around that statement. It seems objectively wrong unless you basically ignore everything in cycling except winning the Tour. A Tour win is worth more than anything in cycling, no question. But that's basically all he has, a win and a second. Good Dauphine results. He's a great stage racer now. Most of the season he's invisible.

 

[red_flanders]

It's very self serving of mine when others deliberately misrepresent what I say

I certainly didn't mean to misrepresent anything you've said, and I reject entirely that any possible misrepresentation was deliberate. Maybe you weren't referring to me but the way this threaded made it seem like you were.

 

[roundabout]

I don't think he'd mind racking up two or three stages & the green for another couple of seasons. Then it's time to begin the Transformation. Just imagine what a 65kg Van Aert would do in the mountains (if he weren't dead, of course).

True. But a lot less entertaining than sending him to the Giro as a super stage hunter/main team captain.

But it's their choice obviously and maybe there is more value to Van Aert to Groundhog day the 2022 Tour for the next couple of years.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I certainly didn't mean to misrepresent anything you've said, and I reject entirely that any possible misrepresentation was deliberate. Maybe you weren't referring to me but the way this threaded made it seem like you were.

No worries. He was talking about me.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I don't think he'd mind racking up two or three stages & the green for another couple of seasons. Then it's time to begin the Transformation. Just imagine what a 65kg Van Aert would do in the mountains (if he weren't dead, of course).

65 seems a bit optimistic. 70-72 could be possible. Dumoulin won the Giro with 71kg.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

He's been incredible for the whole Tour. For me he's the No1 Road rider around......His physique shouldn't count against him, and winning a GT is unlikely - and one hopes he doesn't even try to adapt. As he'd probably have to give up the Classics, and CX. However, if he's happy to do that, then good luck to him.