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The fewer races he rides, the more people (and the team and himself) expect him to win at least one of them. He'd maybe have been better off riding something like Tirreno and San Remo with zero pressure at all but some days targeting the win, vs. no races in March (besides first and last days) and coming back with all pressure on no more than 4 races (E3, DDV, RVV and PR).
If there is one thing he should just keep in mind to keep pressure off: he isn't the favourite for RVV or PR. Realistically he could aim for 3rd at RVV (but imho about 0% chance winning) and if stars align he may take PR (more % as it's all flat and that suits him better + mishaps (flat, crashes) can occur with other favourites), but he shouldn't pressure himself that he has to win those as that can only result in disappointment.
 
A bit weird to write a post that's essentially about Wout and attach a picture of yourself...

She's trying to show she recognises what Wout is going through because she's been through it herself. She probably doesn't have any pictures of Wout socially to share and it would be pretty weird to start showing pictures of other riders in kit on her feed, since there will be sponsor conflicts

I thought it was a nice touch to remind everyone we're all human. I guess it landed differently to you 😕
 
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She's trying to show she recognises what Wout is going through because she's been through it herself. She probably doesn't have any pictures of Wout socially to share and it would be pretty weird to start showing pictures of other riders in kit on her feed, since there will be sponsor conflicts

I thought it was a nice touch to remind everyone we're all human. I guess it landed differently to you 😕
I get what she's trying to communicate and I don't doubt the intentions behind it at are good.
What I don't like is that by posting this publicly Demi inserts herself into a conversation that she really hasn't got all that much to do with. By intertwining your own personal experiences you inevitably also make it about yourself. All she's really achieved by posting this publicly is that the press writes another article about Wout and now her.

Real empathy and support would be to send him a personal message with encouragement, not a post on Instagram. Imagine yourself in Wout's shoes, he doesn't need a reminder of his own humanity. Actually, I am sure he is very well aware. The media also isn't going to go any easier on Wout because of a message like this, they will just milk it for more content.

In conclusion, even though I don't doubt the intentions behind it are good, there really are much better ways to support someone you think is going through a rough time.
 
I watched the race live (watching a re-run doesn't count). When the yellow with a tinge of pink breakaway formed, I thought it would be funny if Powless won. But the way it happened wasn't funny, it was sad. I'm hoping Visma animate the race on Sunday and send Jorge on the attack (he can help Alaphilippe).
Nobody will believe me, but watching it live I thought Powless is going to win. It's seemed written in the stars or something. Actually, I knew Powless had explosivity and that he's a cagey rider, from his San Sebastian victory, and that Wout didn't seem like his form for that sprint was there.
 
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A lot of riders had cramps according to Edward Theuns. Has to do with coming from altitude, and the change in weather.
WvA cramping had more to do with too few racing efforts prior to this team time trial of a breakaway. If he was the designated sprinter he should have spent some time tailgunning to gauge his sprint before expecting the lead out and made a few attacks. If he couldn't separate from Neilson he'd have his answer and someone else would go.
 
The fewer races he rides, the more people (and the team and himself) expect him to win at least one of them. He'd maybe have been better off riding something like Tirreno and San Remo with zero pressure at all but some days targeting the win, vs. no races in March (besides first and last days) and coming back with all pressure on no more than 4 races (E3, DDV, RVV and PR).
If there is one thing he should just keep in mind to keep pressure off: he isn't the favourite for RVV or PR. Realistically he could aim for 3rd at RVV (but imho about 0% chance winning) and if stars align he may take PR (more % as it's all flat and that suits him better + mishaps (flat, crashes) can occur with other favourites), but he shouldn't pressure himself that he has to win those as that can only result in disappointment.
His comeback needs to include hard racing with incremental expectations. He knows that as well as anyone and he forgot for a day. This embarrassing situation should have been mitigated by the DS/race staff as well and their lack of decisiveness now WvA's mistake. That's not fair.
 
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WvA apparently wanted to race Gent-Wevelgem on Sunday. The team said no.


It's a cliché at this point but Visma is too science focused and not 'human' enough. FYI Heijboer might be an expert in his particular field but he's still the same man who advised Rog against riding the 2021 Olympics ITT, i.e. because of what his 'data' said.

It should always be man > math, every time. The latter should serve the former. They ignored that and WvA exploded like a pressure cooker yesterday.
The yellow team is fast becoming a joke and are pretty insufferable (look at the helmets ffs). They were kept above water by Rog and they struck lucky with Vingo at the TdF and it created a perception that the team is well run. Alas it is not. And, as I have written quite a few times already, Wout needs to leave this team in order to try to compete and retire without regrets.
Cramping was normal, he'll be fine by Sunday. Obviously not at Pogacar/MVDP level, he's just not that good. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the podium too.
No, cramping is not normal. At least not for Wout at DdV. What is not normal is Wout's race schedule.
 
The yellow team is fast becoming a joke and are pretty insufferable (look at the helmets ffs). They were kept above water by Rog and they struck lucky with Vingo at the TdF and it created a perception that the team is well run. Alas it is not. And, as I have written quite a few times already, Wout needs to leave this team in order to try to compete and retire without regrets.

No, cramping is not normal. At least not for Wout at DdV. What is not normal is Wout's race schedule.

If Van Aert's post Dwars interview was accurate then Jesus... all those 'gifts' to Laporte and his frustrations dating back years really blew up in Jumbo's face on Wednesday.
 
No, cramping is not normal. At least not for Wout at DdV. What is not normal is Wout's race schedule.
 
WvA apparently wanted to race Gent-Wevelgem on Sunday. The team said no.


It's a cliché at this point but Visma is too science focused and not 'human' enough. FYI Heijboer might be an expert in his particular field but he's still the same man who advised Rog against riding the 2021 Olympics ITT, i.e. because of what his 'data' said.

It should always be man > math, every time. The latter should serve the former. They ignored that and WvA exploded like a pressure cooker yesterday.
Original source: https://www.hln.be/wielrennen/en-er...dgevoel-zo-snel-mogelijk-kwijt-moet~a35ae17d/

Archive of the article: https://archive.ph/ZiP6C

And doubts were already creeping into his mind: why introvert Wout van Aert needs to shake off that immense sense of guilt as quickly as possible

He wanted to make the race hard and go for a good result, Wout van Aert said before the start of Dwars door Vlaanderen. Job done – but after missing the win due to cramp in the sprint, along with a personal tactical and, in his own words, selfish decision, Van Aert has saddled himself with a heavy burden of guilt just four days ahead of the Tour of Flanders... And doubts were already playing on his mind.

A second after the race, organiser Pavel Desmet struck the barriers with his fist. He would’ve loved to see Wout van Aert’s name on the roll of honour, but he was far from the most disappointed man in Waregem. That was the main character himself, who sat, disillusioned, a hundred metres away against another barrier, trying to come to terms with his second-place finish.

How are you feeling?
"Extremely disappointed. I made the call during the race to go for the win and asked Tiesj and Matteo to control things so I could ride to the line with Powless, but in the sprint I completely cramped up."

How did that happen?
"No idea. It happened the moment I kicked off the sprint. It was a serious cramp – it took a while after the line before it eased off."

Why did you make the call to go for the sprint yourself?
"After all the bad luck I had last year, and to give a response to the critics of the past few weeks, I really, really wanted this win. In my desperation to win it myself, I acted very selfishly. I feared a scenario where one of my teammates would win and I wouldn’t... That kind of thinking goes against my nature, and that just made the disappointment even worse. If you’re in a lead group of four with three teammates, you have to play it better. And we didn’t – because I was so convinced I’d finish it off myself."

So you’re taking full responsibility?
"Yes. In a race, you should always go for the best chance of winning as a team, and because of my approach, that didn’t happen."

Powless looked incredible. He closed a hundred-metre gap in no time. You must’ve seen how strong he was too. Do you think you could’ve dropped him before the finish?
"I honestly don’t know. But if it hadn’t worked, at least we couldn’t blame ourselves. Now, we were too casual about it, and I took a big gamble. That’s not something I can justify."

Shouldn’t the team car have made the tactical decision? Team leader Grischa Niermann is taking the blame...
"It’s very decent of Grischa, but I think it’s normal that he followed my lead when I said with full confidence over the radio that this is how we’d do it. By saying it so assertively, I didn’t leave the decision with him – and the team followed my choice too."

You seem incredibly disappointed. Have you ever felt this low after a race?
"Right now, I can’t think of another moment. Ask me again Friday afternoon at the press conference."

Are you also able to take some positives from the race – you and the team were dominant after all?
"The signs were better than on Friday. We raced from the front and dictated the race, rather than letting it unfold around us. Maybe I’ll come to appreciate that in the coming days – but not now. I’m still too disappointed at the moment. I’ll need a bit of time to bounce back from this, to see the positives, and look ahead again."

Sunday’s already a big one.
"And with other strong competitors still to face..."

What his entourage feared most after the race in Waregem – and desperately hoped wouldn’t be the case – turned out to be reality. Van Aert feels an overwhelming sense of guilt, towards his team (and teammates), for the missed victory in Dwars door Vlaanderen.

It’s not the first time he’s been haunted by that feeling. It happened before at Visma-Lease a Bike and in the national team – for instance at the 2023 European Championships in Drenthe, where he couldn’t capitalise on the hard work of Arnaud De Lie and co. on the VAM-berg. More than mourning the loss of his own success, Van Aert is often left with a gnawing guilt towards his teammates. Unnecessary? Perhaps. But you can’t change the nature of the beast.

And it wasn’t as though there weren’t already doubts swirling in his head… On Friday at the E3 Saxo Classic, he’d hoped for a better race and result. Before the start of Dwars door Vlaanderen, he described not being strong enough to win on Friday as “no national emergency”, but internally, doubts had begun to creep in by that evening – about his preparation leading up to his two major goals: the Tour of Flanders and Paris-Roubaix.

Within the team, Van Aert even raised the question of whether it might be a good idea to ride Gent-Wevelgem after all. That race wasn’t on his schedule this year or last – mainly because five to six days after a high-altitude training camp, there’s often a physical dip. But for his head and his feeling, Van Aert was keen to race. There was also a slot available – Visma-Lease a Bike needed a replacement for a sick rider anyway.

The final decision was left to Mathieu Heijboer, Van Aert’s coach and the team’s Performance Manager. He said no. The numbers took priority over emotion.

Not a talker
“It was indeed an option for Wout to ride Gent-Wevelgem after all,” says Niermann. “But we decided against it. Adding an extra race at the last minute doesn’t always go well. Had our data shown that Wout was still lacking in certain areas after Harelbeke, we might’ve agreed. But the analysis from our coaches showed that what Wout really needed after his altitude camp was extra freshness.”

In Dwars door Vlaanderen, we saw a sharp Van Aert – and until 200 metres from the line, he seemed, within reason, physically and mentally ready to take on Mathieu van der Poel and Tadej Pogacar on Sunday. That could still be the case – but first, Van Aert needs to shake off the guilt and, yet again in his career, claw his way back mentally.

If he’s done it a hundred times already, why not once more? True – but Van Aert struggles more with setbacks than he sometimes likes to admit. Talking doesn’t help; even Sarah and the kids barely get through to him at moments like that. It may sound strange, especially reading how honest and hard he was on himself after the race in Waregem, but in such moments, Van Aert is anything but a talker.

So what does help?
Letting off steam on the bike – though that too often takes time, and time is something he doesn’t have much of. The Tour of Flanders awaits on Sunday.

Van Aert will remain with the team at the hotel in the coming days, where he’ll have to try and shake off that guilt towards his teammates and refocus on the good feeling he had – right up until cramp struck after 184 kilometres of racing.

Sunday brings an even tougher challenge: 269 kilometres. It certainly won’t be any easier – especially not with doubts lingering in his mind.
 
Hh, Ok now I think it is normal...
I understand you want your countrymen to be good (Wout and Remco) but they are what they are. If it makes you feel better then read Sep's comments all you like.
 
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