Kaden Groves last nine wins have all come in Grand Tours.
And you didn't expect that based on his leadup?
HaYes, I think he's had a good Tour before today.
For instance in 2022,I think all agree.
Wva had a poor tour even including stage 21. He won the last stage in epic fashion so it will sugarcoat his tour. He gave almost no help to his leader and apart from losing a sprint to Milan wasn't close to a stage win in the other 19 stages. I'm happy for him personally (who doesn't love a resurrection) but it's still a win for the cartels.What does that have to do with anything??
I said he didn't have a good Tour, and you disagreed.
There was no way that he was going to have a good first week. If you expected otherwise, you weren't paying attention to his leadup. Also, fighting for form while racing a hard first week could go the wrong way quickly. That being said, his first week was better than expected, and he was fortunate that his form actually improved as the days ticked by. He did grunt work for the team (I know not what 'fans' and his $$ demand ), and either by plan or impulse kept chipping away and testing. So compared to a few other TdFs not what we've come to expect, but past form has nothing to do with current form.What does that have to do with anything??
I said he didn't have a good Tour, and you disagreed.
It was also a win for Matteo Jorgenson. Give credit where it's due, too.Wva had a poor tour even including stage 21. He won the last stage in epic fashion so it will sugarcoat his tour. He gave almost no help to his leader and apart from losing a sprint to Milan wasn't close to a stage win in the other 19 stages. I'm happy for him personally (who doesn't love a resurrection) but it's still a win for the cartels.
He was various shades of dogshit the first 20 stages. Horrible, and with only minimal contributions to the success of others. In fact, he took up so much mental and tactical space that he was a net harm to the team until the last day.There was no way that he was going to have a good first week. If you expected otherwise, you weren't paying attention to his leadup. Also, fighting for form while racing a hard first week could go the wrong way quickly. That being said, his first week was better than expected, and he was fortunate that his form actually improved as the days ticked by. He did grunt work for the team (I know not what 'fans' and his $$ demand ), and either by plan or impulse kept chipping away and testing. So compared to a few other TdFs not what we've come to expect, but past form has nothing to do with current form.
13 stage winners this year, and he was one of them. Great TdF!
Note: usually recency bias wins out, but in GT racing its almost the opposite. If you win early, your GT is already a success, but if you win later (last stage) your GT sucked...until the end.
More rambling also: You could argue that the team should have considered not bringing him due to his form/health, but then yesterday.
EDIT: Please excuse me, work is messing with my rambling on a bike forum!
Recency bias isn't even helping WvA here. He just won the final stage of this years TdF, but people want to compare his race to years past.
Just came to think of Wout van Aert as Andy Murray. Legend level following, lackluster pamaleres with a few big wins.
Not trying to poke anyone. Good comparison or not?
Hm, yeah, so Murray is way greater in your opinion? Perhaps thats the sporting truth, but in terms of status though?Way off. Murray twice won Wimbledon the biggest event in tennis. If you think the US Open is bigger he won that too. Plus 2 Olympic golds.
Del Potro was plagued with severe injuriesVan Aert is really more like Del Potro, big guy who won like one big tournament but gets consistently overrated.
Del Potro is a God with immense aura. That is just not fair, and Delpo would have cleaned Federer and "Djoko" without the insane injuries.Van Aert is really more like Del Potro, big guy who won like one big tournament but gets consistently overrated.
Remco is MurrayWay off. Murray twice won Wimbledon the biggest event in tennis. If you think the US Open is bigger he won that too. Plus 2 Olympic golds.
Remco way better in a few years. He will win everything.Remco is Murray
That's the future, now is now.Remco way better in a few years. He will win everything.
Hm, yeah, so Murray is way greater in your opinion? Perhaps thats the sporting truth, but in terms of status though?
Murray was viewed in his prime as one of the big four (together with Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, plus Murray). That was, imo, outragous looking at their relative palmares. Wout kinda the same when he was viewed as one of the big 4 in cycling until recently.
Olympics is a strange Tennis event. Kinda like cycling olympics imo. Hard to assess.
Van Aert is really more like Del Potro, big guy who won like one big tournament but gets consistently overrated.
Pogacar has shown that this is just not true. Remco will do the same is my prediction.All tennis players occupy the same universe - Wout (and MVDP) occupy a different one to Pog and TdF winners. Then you've got the Sagans, etc.
You can, but it will not be a clean and easy comparison to draw inferences from of course. I still think it can be a fun mental play though.You can't really compare cycling and tennis.