Omega Pharma Quick Step: Are you kidding me??

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del1962 said:
OPQS are a strong team who have one of the biggest budgets for riders, so it is understandable that they are doing well, Kwiatowski performed well early last year aswell, do you actually have any evidence of them doping,

(not saying they should not get rid of taus just as BMC should get rid of Testa),
Good to see you recycling your sky excuses on other teams too. Hope you got the time to defend the Iranian dude as well.

So basically, everyone is cleans until they test positive?
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
pity, the race gotta be watched from 50km out imo. Pretty critical.

I agree, might be an extended one up tomorrow, atm the only place I could see that was the torrent sites.
 
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the sceptic said:
Good to see you recycling your sky excuses on other teams too. Hope you got the time to defend the Iranian dude as well.
Yeah well it took a while and we practically had to hold his hand and walk him in here. But finally some consistency. A good end to a day where wiggos biggest fan on velorooms told me he knows Andy schleck doped.

Now as for the logic, I find it curious that iburaguen being on opqs is seen as something totally unrelated to the success:confused: yeah, they should just let him go. Must be some big mistake that a professional cycling team is paying someone like him money. He probably does absolutely nothing.

Would that same logic be applied to say Michelle Ferrari? Was scarponis success totally unrelated to working with Ferrari? If not why, what's the difference?

Also funny how all the teams that win because of "big budgets" end up winning with the guys they got on the cheap. Sky with froome who cost nothing and Porte who didn't cost anywhere near the however many million he is worth now. Opqs with boonen who they have had since Armstrong and Kwiatkowski who was a decent talent when they got him, not the Sagan froome hybrid he has become. Movi are winning or at least podiuming with Valverde, a lesser extent Quintana who again wasn't that expensive when they bought him. Katusha another big money team are doing it with Daniel Moreno lol and Joaquim Rodriguez who was maybe one of the top 20 riders in the world when they bought him, yet since he joined katusha he's scored more uci and cq points than anyone else by quite some margin, and finished as uci number 1 rider jn the world in 3 out of 4 seasons.

Astana is really the only one who bought a world beater and got a world beater. Everyone else bought second level riders or less and got world beaters.
 

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OPQS do have an incredible roster of talented one day riders but it seems like they're now able to turn anyone they want into one. Today they had Kwiatkowski, Golas, Uran, Poels, and Trentin all in the select group of 15-20 riders. All of those riders are strong and some of them were strong at other teams prior to joining QS, but to have them all on form at the same time as well as have all the cobbled classics riders on form last weekend is a lot like Sky's stage race team the past few years.

arms race, etc.
 
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zlev11 said:
OPQS do have an incredible roster of talented one day riders but it seems like they're now able to turn anyone they want into one. Today they had Kwiatkowski, Golas, Uran, Poels, and Trentin all in the select group of 15-20 riders. All of those riders are strong and some of them were strong at other teams prior to joining QS, but to have them all on form at the same time as well as have all the cobbled classics riders on form last weekend is a lot like Sky's stage race team the past few years.

arms race, etc.

and BC's track team, but only at the Olympics.

Peaking used to be part science and part art, but nowadays some riders can almost guarantee performance peaking.

It doesn't feel normal.
 
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Sagan looked completely broken for the last 10k, Kwiatkowski looked like he had just popped down the shops to buy some milk. So yeah. Canuc looked like had just had a bag out so he should be flying in a couple of weeks.
 

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Sagan looked completely broken for the last 10k, Kwiatkowski looked like he had just popped down the shops to buy some milk. So yeah. Canuc looked like had just had a bag out so he should be flying in a couple of weeks.

Hmmmm can't say I saw it that way. Nothing in that race screamed doping to me.

Not to say there wasn't doping but I wasn't overly concerned by the performances based on a pure visual aspect
 

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Really? Kwiatkowski looked fresh as a daisy to me.

188km over flat & fast terrain? What's Roubaix? 252km over cobbles.

Kwiatkowski lives in the area does he not?

Sagan alone, Kwiatkowski riding behind his team most of the day.
 

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188km over flat & fast terrain? What's Roubaix? 252km over cobbles.

Kwiatkowski lives in the area does he not?

Sagan alone, Kwiatkowski riding behind his team most of the day.

I'm not that shocked to see Kwiatkowski up there - he struck me as a hell of a racer several times before. Canc's weakness seemed more noticable to me, to be honest, and there could be plenty of legit reasons for that...
 

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I'm not that shocked to see Kwiatkowski up there - he struck me as a hell of a racer several times before. Canc's weakness seemed more noticable to me, to be honest, and there could be plenty of legit reasons for that...

Yes Canc was odd but like you say his objectives are a little later on plus a hit on the hour ride.

Wiggins dropping out is interesting but not doping related.

I would temper all his with a race like Strade it's difficult to see doping. It's more obvious in longer, tougher races or up mountain climbs and TTs.

Also like say you say; the type of rider that wins. If Froome won, I'd be like WTF?! but very normal for Kwiatowski who was protected all day to smash that final climb.
 
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Plus the new normal is for riders to maintain 100% form for at least five months. Cancellara has always been more traditional in this respect and Sagan is probably trying to be more deliberate in hitting a superpeak from M-SR to Ronde.
 
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I heard the floors on OPQS bus's have been made by Quick step using all their top of the range stuff and using the latest technologies available on floor making. The smoothness of the walking inside their bus's translates to at least a 10% marginal gain on the road.

True story!!!

In all seriousness, lol Ibarguen. I wonder how last year would have gone if Boonen didn't have the ridiculous amount of bad luck he had. Terpstra was pretty weak but Stybar, Kwia, Vandenberg and Chavannel were very strong and they were supposed to be just support riders for Boonen.

With the way they are going this year they may even take their domination to the ardennes with Kwia, something they haven't done since Bettini!!
 

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Plus the new normal is for riders to maintain 100% form for at least five months. Cancellara has always been more traditional in this respect and Sagan is probably trying to be more deliberate in hitting a superpeak from M-SR to Ronde.

True. I have to admit I did miss the OPQS train prior to the last 20km's.
 
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Kwiatkowski looks hot as hell at the moment. The way he dusted Sagan at the end was incredibly impressive/suspicious depending on your viewpoint. Might just be a case of peaking for the early races while the rest of the classics riders still have a bit to go until the real action starts in three to four weeks, or just being a tad fresher on the day.

I'll start getting properly suspicious if Kwiatkowski maintains his "Bomben-Form" for months on end like Froome Dawg has been doing for the past couple of years. Right now I'm just seeing it as two of cyclings finest young talents battling it out in a beautiful race. It wasn't nearly enough to draw any conclusions in any case.
 
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I wouldn't dismiss the "big budget" thing so easily. After all, Ibarguren can't be cheap.
 
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The concern about Kwiatkowski isn't so much in races like yesterday, but more in the way he was able to massively improve his climbing.

But then again, being relatively light maybe it's normal for him to climb well and he underperformed in the past in this area.