Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[BubbaChuck]

Lol aero position. my man was hugging all the air in the race.

 

[BubbaChuck]

VVA is more bended but with tractor he still catches wall of air before him.do people even understand basics of physics.absolute power,aero.whats next.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Van der Poels' range on the climby end is pretty similar to Gilbert, alhough Gilbert in the early days had more climbing chops.

I do think Van der Poel and Van Aert would absolutely thrive in 2010s Liege and pre 2015 Lombardia as well. I even think Van Aert could have won Lombardia had he raced in 2020 when the field was absurdly weak for a while.

Oh they definitely could, especially with Gerrans and Valverde working for a sprint. Though maybe they’d attack more since WVA and MVDP faster.

 

[SorelyBoy]

VVA is more bended but with tractor he still catches wall of air before him.do people even understand basics of physics.absolute power,aero.whats next.

Wout’s position is markedly superior to Pogacar’s. Sure, wider shoulders but if you look he tucks (collapses really) them in towards the bars, with the back remaining very flat time trial style. That is not an easy position to perfect, but has been well coached and practiced over years. Meanwhile, Pogacar rides his bike like he’s cycling to the shops for some flowers and a baguette. He could have a shopping basket on the front of his bike, it wouldn’t make it any worse, nor have any impact on his results.

 

[SorelyBoy]

I believe Pog is pretty well optimized in terms of kit

No arguments from me on that score.

 

[BubbaChuck]

with that said,he still catches even amount or less air than vva,who is bigger man.in the end of the day mass rules.if you look at remco for example,he is dwarf,natural turtle position and he doesnot lose any wattage bended unlike pog.why da fuk do you think remco can beat pog in tt,despetite the fact pog engine eats him alive.

 

[jotafap]

For the sake of it, i rewatched a few times the moment Pog almost crashed.

Absolutely unreal how can someone see something wrong there, its only possible these are people who never rode a bike, and also completely blinded by hate towards him.

 

[BubbaChuck]

If he was on e-bike why would he hold that position.

 

[Divergence]

I’m saying a rider with the physical attributes of Pogacar should be nowhere near to someone like Van Aert in a race such as Paris Roubaix, never mind trying to gap him on the huge cobbles section near the end of the race. If you believe this ***, any of it, there really is no hope for you because it’s a complete crock of very bad smelling doo daa, an utter fantasy. I suggest you review the last thirty years of this sport and reevaluate your thinking.

Why not? What is wrong with Pog's physical attributes?

Great misunderstanding

We all know that are many crashes at PR.
I talk about that kind of crashes that pogacar had for example last year and almost this year.

second PR in a row where he is overpacing, can´t control his bike.
is he such a bad bike handler?
what is causing this problems that is loosing control of his bike?
look at the last video and tell me that this looks like a normal acceleration just after drifting and braking to avoid a crash.

and why does he spin his crank before the service car is picking up the bike? why he doesn´t do it when his car is pickin up his bike?

how is it possible that a sub 65kg like him can drop almost everyone on a flat course even without a lower ftp?

no one literally no one has any kind of explanations for this!

This has been written many times on the forum here. What do you think what is the FTP difference between WvA and Pog? Also, given that they have ridden for 3 hours at 350W, what would be the 30min power of WvA and what would it be for Pog?

I’ve seen others commenting on this elsewhere, specifically at last year’s race. Ultimately, for me, I just don’t understand how a small lightweight rider generates enough power over that type of terrain to even live with the likes of a Van Aert , a MVDP, a Pedersen, never mind actually compete to win the race. He shouldn’t be able to live with them on the flat. One more hilly terrain, maybe it gets competitive, but even there I’ve seen him doing things which just don’t look natural. As I’ve commented before, his accelerations look effortless and outright strange, instant power, little sign his body is pushing any additional energy through his legs. Factor in all the other empirical data, and there is something very very strange going on here.

What do you mean little body? Why does the biceps and chest muscle on WvA benefit his cycling? Muscle is expensive to carry around and taxing on the cardiovascular system, so you should not have more of it then absolutely necessary in an endurance sport.