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auscyclefan94 said:
Sorry, i wwas just putting up for a laugh. i thought you guys might find it funny due to how much you hate him.

Well there you go mate; you were fair dinkum wrong. Most decent blokes have the shoulders to camp it up a bit with their kids'; particularly OZ blokes. What's wrong with yer?
 
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I don't understand where we, a bunch of cycling fans, get the nerve to judge whether a man is an adequate father and husband. Especially when most of our intel comes from the entertainment media. Very few Pulitzers have been awarded to People magazine journalists. I have no trouble when people observe LA's behaviour during a bike race and call him a douche. But judging things that happen behind closed doors, talking anonymously about a man's family, that is a clear case of reverse douchiness.

It's not really behind closed doors when it's on twitter, is it?

LA (or his people) chose to publish this picture to his many many followers. Why?
 
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It's not really behind closed doors when it's on twitter, is it?

LA (or his people) chose to publish this picture to his many many followers. Why?

Some people are interested in mundane things.
 
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it works equally well if you have a laptop, just open the screen full out and bang..
 
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Yes there are many faces to the Lance Armstrong. All exploit one thing. The media.

Thanks for the personal background info dimspace. You mentioned earlier that plenty of people world wide, million in numbers, post pictures of their moments of idiocy and joking about on social networking sites such as MySpace, FaceBook, Twitter, Flickers etc. Most are private and locked with security protocols. A select few can see personal details/info. Lance has over a million followers who have access to everything. He knew they would see the picture and anything he posts is intentional and deliberate. I won't tell you how to interpret it but I will suggest that Lance knew what he was doing and there was a purpose behind it.

Look to explain it better I'll give you a time perspective. Before the second coming I'd heard about Lance's drug taking but only looked into it thoroughly this year when his behaviour didn't match his word. I learned a great deal about doping in general, Lance and doping, but also that off the bike his character is lacking. After the Tour, I arrived at not being too fond of him, which I have been in the past. When he left his wife of 5 years with 3 small children, I thought it stunk (that was in 2005). I have never been able to contemplate how someone could willing agree to have children with their partner and not tough it out, but leave because it is convenient. I think leaving is cowardly and you should be very clear upfront with your expectations and desires in any relationship or not bother at all. You are simply wasting people's time.

However, I have never thought he was a great husband or father. Anyone, not just famous individuals who does what he did to his wife and children for nothing more than what appears to be selfish intentions gets no sympathy from me. Without discussing particulars, it is low, very low. Has my history mimicked this. Polar opposite. Nothing like it. I don't care that he did this, but I do know I could not, which is why I find it foul. This personal perspective is why I said the real judges will be his ex-wife and his children with the new girlfriend added in to the mix (nightmare) as anyone if of their father. You have the runs on the board. Being prudent would be wise and we will find out some time in the future when the kids are teenagers and young adults who can think for themselves. There is a lot of muck the may object to.

My point was that we may not know the particulars but comparing him to fathers who are 100 percent absent is not accurate, nor does it make him normal. Lleyton Hewitt has two young children who are on the road with him all season. Compare that to a pro-cyclist who works in Europe but whose children live in America. Lance is not normal. Kristin Armstrong raises the kids, Lance is away most of the time. She gets the Kudos. Yes it may be normal from his kids perspective, but that does not make it so in societal habits or ideals. Plus if he was a normal dad, he would not be critiqued, least of all by me. Good on him for spending what time he has with his children. Every second counts. I won't knock him for that (or doubt that he loves them) yet this will not tempt me to blindly shut my eyes and hope they are playing happy family 24/7 365 days a year. He could do more, as could many others.



We get that from perspective, ideals and beliefs, but it is reflection, not judgement. What is being marketed has no reflection on undertakings behind closed doors. That is why I raised it. Think about the psychology, statistics and stereotypes associated with difficult family relations. Lance already has most negative boxes ticked. I never said he was a bad father (his children are the only people qualified to do this) just that there is massive doubt there. There are issues. A great parent would not care if this were raised (unless pride and ego are rampant), they would ignore it because they know it is not true. Those who take issue, I suspect may have felt awkward at some home truths. This isn't personal, instead a reflection of universal values human values that are being bent and in some cases, broken on a regular occurrence. I have a favourite quote that sums it up, "Any fool can knock someone up, it takes a real man to be a father." The children will know, they always do.



Happy family, white picket fence, cancer survivor. Empire sounds right. The American dream. Package it, market and advertise that you are just like everyone else. That is why Max has a twitter account the month he is born. Play the sympathy card. Zomba records did it with Britney Spears. Sweet Louisiana virgin and mickey mouse clubber. Fast forward to today and reality suggests she was closer to trailer trash. Harsh, I know, but honest. People buy into fantasies, especially ones that suggest they have origins/history like their target market. LA may be a good father, I don't doubt he loves his kids, but with all I have learnt in my time, coupled with his background and issues, stereotypical in nature as they are, I have reservations that only his ex-wife and children can confirm do not have any basis. I hope for their sake I'm wrong.

Calm down and remember, you really don't know anything about his relationship with his ex wife and children - other than he has one. That's a good thing. Lifes not black and white - goodies vs baddies. Not even close.
 
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progressor said:
Calm down and remember, you really don't know anything about his relationship with his ex wife and children - other than he has one. That's a good thing. Lifes not black and white - goodies vs baddies. Not even close.

Good point. Everything is not black and white. A multi-faceted colour palette is needed at most times.

I am calm by the way. Don't mistake my long posts for me not being calm, I like long posts and explaining my entire thought process (helps people know where I am coming from). When my language gets colourful and vocabulary selectively nasty, then that is a good indicator I am not calm.
 
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Offtheback said:
Well there you go mate; you were fair dinkum wrong. Most decent blokes have the shoulders to camp it up a bit with their kids'; particularly OZ blokes. What's wrong with yer?

What's wrong with you for not having a sense of hunour? That's un-Australian.A lot of people found it funny as well + it being adorable him being with his kids.
 
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dimspace said:
this is one of those threads that you start and within an hour wish it would just fall of the front page and be forgotten..
Looked like it was slipping so here's a little ...bump.

It's another trifecta for acf94: starts thread in wrong forum, based on something already posted elsewhere on the forum and has to madly back peddle out of impulsiveness as he completely misjudges the response. Comedy gold.
 
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Wow, some people are judgemental. I'm surprised Lance Armstrong hasn't been blamed for the GFC and Global Warming (what with all the hot air his name brings).

Some people should take their bike with them on holiday for a week or two and do some long rides to clear their head.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
What's wrong with you for not having a sense of hunour? That's un-Australian.A lot of people found it funny as well + it being adorable him being with his kids.

What's adorable about using ones children to market oneself? To me that's more cynical than anything written in this thread.
 
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Haha, now how is that acceptable?

please try not to quote the hog, as it means i can then read his tripe..

and thats just the reason i dont want to, that comment of his i probably would have let rip.. not being able to see it leaves me in ignorance..

hog, as for your opinion, frankly i couldnt give a ****
 
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please try not to quote the hog, as it means i can then read his tripe..

and thats just the reason i dont want to, that comment of his i probably would have let rip.. not being able to see it leaves me in ignorance..

hog, as for your opinion, frankly i couldnt give a ****

Let's end this tread it was BS from the start.