On the fence - an LA thread

[luckyboy]

As I will repeat forever and forever, find me a cyclist who pulled what Lance done on Simeoni and I will happily change my opinion on Lance, until then.............

Wouldn't you change your opinion (for the worse) of the other cyclist rather than Lance?



Also, what elapid said about stimulants vs EPO

 

[Escarabajo]

Nowadays I feel that sports stars need to have some character, be that arrogance or something else. I'm sick of the all too robotic, go out there and win everything and then say "yes I'm happy" and "I wasn't good enough" when you lose. For me, Federer is far too text book, apart from crying when he loses. I can't passionately support the man because he has no story.

Do you know what else was robotic?

Lance's wins in Tour 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005.

That is text book "Robotic"

 

[Piston Pete]

Getting off topic here. The Brits are forever complaining about Michael Shumacher being arrogant, but I have not seen it. In English interviews MS has always seemed to me to be coldy efficient and analytical. Am I missing something here or was this issue made up by jealous limeys p) ??

Well it's the same with Armstrong. You hear he is supposed to be this terrible arrogant rogue, and then you see him interviewed and he always very humble and honest.

That's especially the case this year. In almost every interview LA has said Contador is the best and will be very hard to beat, yet you read thread after thread of people denouncing Armstrong for saying he will win. It's a game really.

I'm sure deep down most people grudgingly respect him and appreciate his willingness to comeback and compete against the odds this last couple of years.

 

[Race Radio]

Well it's the same with Armstrong. You hear he is supposed to be this terrible arrogant rogue, and then you see him interviewed and he always very humble and honest.

That's especially the case this year. In almost every interview LA has said Contador is the best and will be very hard to beat, yet you read thread after thread of people denouncing Armstrong for saying he will win. It's a game really.

I'm sure deep down most people grudgingly respect him and appreciate his willingness to comeback and compete against the odds this last couple of years.

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Piston Pete

 

[dolophonic]

Yup....

 

[blackcat]

just on this, who feels the Johnny doping Come Latelys, like Wigans, are frauds. Guys who rise up the classement, thru the needle, and then getting resent from other chargers, because they bust thru a plateau. I always wondered about that.

 

[Piston Pete]

just on this, who feels the Johnny doping Come Latelys, like Wigans, are frauds. Guys who rise up the classement, thru the needle, and then getting resent from other chargers, because they bust thru a plateau. I always wondered about that.

I don't think it's right to smear Wiggins unless you have a hint of some evidence. Garmin is a pretty clean team and he got fourth there.

 

[blackcat]

I dont think he was a fraud, insofar as the peloton, and riding on the same preparation. I am talking from the pov of the peloton.

 

[gatete]

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Piston Pete

don't forget also like 3 or 4 hombre names to the mix

 

[BroDeal]

don't forget also like 3 or 4 hombre names to the mix

The hombre users were a different person, a person who usually posts on DPF.

 

[luckyboy]

Garmin is a pretty clean team and he got fourth there.

How can anybody know that?

 

[blackcat]

the qualifier is "pretty". Pretty clean. Not completely. Some anomalous renegades in an otherwise pure squad.

 

[D Avoid]

The hombre users were a different person, a person who usually posts on DPF.

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The speculation on here is done so well that you can see the needle marks during the race, you don't even need to look closely. I haven't been here for days, I think it is boredom mostly but also that it is a lost cause. Terrible to feel done in by it all, it is so negative that the interest is waning, so too, the training.

 

[pedaling squares]

Hey man, great post. I can relate to you a little in that I was excited to see LA race his bike at one time, but that was back in the mid nineties when I was a true fan of the guy. I remember standing in an LBS in 99' when he dropped a few of the best climbers in the world at the time on Sestriere and the place was dead silent (almost crickets) then more-less laughter, then alot of cussing ensued immediately after that. But in any event, in today's world, it would literally be like watching Tom Boonen dropping Contador and the Schlecks in the mountains. Cancer or no cancer, that simply does not happen - without a serious, serious, doping program.

For me, what killed it was when Lance turned into Lance, INC. The once cocky (and rightfully so as races go in the States, he was really good in America at the time) Lance turned into a product once he won in 99. Full on legal team, marketing campaign, I can't prove this but I'll "speculate" - collusion with several major corporations in America and a certain governing body. At the end of the day, the guy raped cancer victims and a beautiful sport that we all love for 7 painfully predictable years. His camp exploited the soft spots in millions of peoples' heart for their own personal financial interests. He exploited the unfortunate complacency of those with a terminal disease and their family members as a back stop to winning the Tour de France by means that were not available to his competitors, even those on full-on doping programs, because to challenge LA and his story, was to challenge hope and all that was currently being sold as "good" for cycling at the time - and by the way, those that did better bring-it legally sound or they would wind up in court. In my opinion, "fanboys" have a hard time letting go of what they want to believe, what was sold to them. But as communication means evolved (i.e. the internet et al) it's easier to realize what was so apparent to a small audience at the time, but is now readily available to everyone to discover what truly went on during that time. For a lot of us, we really just wish the guy would go away. His comeback is a joke, clearly for financial gain. That siht he pulled at the tour this year, no class at all. Their are people in this world that think that guy is actually going to win the Tour this year, but of course, that's what he's selling them.......

That was very well said and blessedly on topic. I am in the same boat with the moment of truth (Sestriere) and the dislike of the robotic, manipulative, and vengeful Lance Inc.