Opinion: Will Armstrong do jail time?

[Dallas_]

There is a lot of speculation as to what the current investigations reveal. As an opinion, I predict Novitzky will prove miracle boy lied during the SCA case. I presume lying to a civil court is still perjury. On that count alone, I voted yes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony

cheers to all

 

[MarkvW]

There is a lot of speculation as to what the current investigations reveal. As an opinion, I predict Novitzky will prove miracle boy lied during the SCA case. I presume lying to a civil court is still perjury. On that count alone, I voted yes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony

cheers to all

Can't vote on that until I know whether or not Armstrong will be granted immunity. Going beyond that is too speculative for me.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Doubtful, he is wealthy.

 

[Race Radio]

Right now the strategy is to get all his "Friends" to lie for him, but ultimately he will roll over on them and tell the truth. He will sing before he goes to jail.

 

[isayic]

Doubtful, he is wealthy.

Wealth alone can't prevent someone from jail. We had a top-ranking politician in Germany. He even was an Earl and was raking in money. He sat in jail for some years because of tax fraud.

 

[sniper]

a top-ranked politician, fair enough, but he wasn't the president. And the president also does tax-fraud, but doesn't end up in jail, see the difference?

 

[thehog]

He's already in jail. He cant live his life.

I have two points of interest.

1. Will he be able to fly to Australia?

and

2. If he manages to fly and gets to the TDU what information will "leak" before the race starts?

 

[euphrades]

He's already in jail. He cant live his life.

I have two points of interest.

1. Will he be able to fly to Australia?

and

2. If he manages to fly and gets to the TDU what information will "leak" before the race starts?

Dude, he just flew to Afgahnistan and Iraq....with the amount of hops it would have been easy to stage a getaway, especially in Germany or someplace . Not sure if they have anything...even if you did you aren't batting a 1000 when it somes to your inuendos.......not saying i disagree with you but you seem to spout more crap than substance.

 

[sniper]

Dude, he just flew to Afgahnistan and Iraq....with the amount of hops it would have been easy to stage a getaway, especially in Germany or someplace . Not sure if they have anything...even if you did you aren't batting a 1000 when it somes to your inuendos.......not saying i disagree with you but you seem to spout more crap than substance.

keeping up appearances...

 

[oldschoolnik]

He's too rich to do jail time. All his team of lawyers has to do is convince a few jurors that 1)They shouldn't hurt LAF 2) He was not the ringleader 3) it's just cycling (some weird sport Europeans do)

I think the better question is: What percent of Americans will know LA is a complete fraud when the dust clears and will LA opt for the "Tearful Oprah Moment" or not.

A less important issue but a personal curiosity of mine is: Does Robin Williams and Ben Stiller know what fake he is? Not sure why I care but it's interesting.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Wealth alone can't prevent someone from jail. We had a top-ranking politician in Germany. He even was an Earl and was raking in money. He sat in jail for some years because of tax fraud.

Ah, but that's Deutschland. An 'earl' doesn't count based on inbreeding. I've investigated the laws, and apparently inbreeding can remove you from the axman of real laws and rules.

Also, based upon my extensive research, I've learnt that in America money does truly talk. It says things like 'do you know who I am?'. As far as I can tell that's enough to get you off.

I think Polish likes that law, either way he seems to be 'getting off' an awful lot...

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

I think no jail time. That high priced lawyer wasn't hired by Lance for nothing. While justice should be served no matter the depth of his pockets, I have a feeling that lawyer will find a way to keep him out of jail.

 

[Dallas_]

He's already in jail. He cant live his life.

I have two points of interest.

1. Will he be able to fly to Australia?

and

2. If he manages to fly and gets to the TDU what information will "leak" before the race starts?

Hog, I reckon he is living his life as he pleases at the moment. Maybe some politicians and celebrities are not returning his calls. Including you and me, there are people who believe miracle boy is a fraud. But I can bet you, there are still many fan-boys out there who are willing to pander to all his needs.

He will fly to South Australia, as I believe Novitzky et all wont lay their cards on the table until well after the TDU.
I cannot understand why the south Australian government would pay a cent to miracle boy, when a superstar like Cavendish will be on the grid anyway. Cavendish will attract big crowds by himself. Would you pay appearance money to a rider with muddy shoes?

I have not seen any evidence of the FEDS leaking information yet - although plenty of speculation in the press and clinic. cheers

 

[Berzin]

The Hog had predicted that Armstrong would not start the 2010 Tour. He also predicted that he wouldn't ride the TDU.

Given the circumstances, anyone would have thought likewise. But the cycling authorities aren't bothered with having a rider tainted with such major allegations at their events because Lance brings in so much media attention and revenue dollars with him.

When you have the whole cycling establishment firmly behind Armstrong from the head of the UCI down to Liggett, Sherwen, Roll and Graham Watson, what would be an easy circumstance to predict winds up getting turned on its' head.

Any other rider under under Federal investigation would have been unceremoniously dumped by all the major events. But not only does this not happen, Armstrong is paid incredible appearance fees just to show up.

Races are trying to cash in as much as possible, especially since there is a recession that is looking to get worse before it's corrected.

The cycling mafia are firmly entrenched behind Armstrong, and may well still be after all is said and done. But once his reputation takes the inevitable hit, he will lose his world-wide cache as an international sporting icon.

Armstrong may not go to jail, but he will no longer be able to sell his vacuous, amoral persona masked by the halo of cancer survivor. He'll be, literally, just another schmuck on wheels, no better than disgraced riders like Richard Virenque, who by the way also wrote a book proclaiming his innocence and then later confessed. Just like Floyd Landis.

To answer Hog's questions, I seriously doubt there will be any leaks during the TDU. I think once the Federal investigation is wrapped up, that's when we'll know what Armstrong is officially up against. So he will fly the friendly skies on his private jet to spread his mystical, shaman-like message of hope, a message that has as much real-world effect as taking Pepto-Bismol for a stomach ulcer.

As for jail time, no one can predict such a scenario until we know what the investigation reveals. As for Lance avoiding jail time by giving up information, he will have to throw these people under the bus-Bruyneel, the team doctors, Ferarri and others who may have been involved in the international procurement of PEDs.

That sounds about as likely as Armstrong doing jail time, though as a hater one can indeed hope. Whatever happens, rest assured he will have his "Lance Face" on until the bitter end-

He looks like a gerbil on crack.

 

[craig1985]

Hog, I reckon he is living his life as he pleases at the moment. Maybe some politicians and celebrities are not returning his calls. Including you and me, there are people who believe miracle boy is a fraud. But I can bet you, there are still many fan-boys out there who are willing to pander to all his needs.

He will fly to South Australia, as I believe Novitzky et all wont lay their cards on the table until well after the TDU.
I cannot understand why the south Australian government would pay a cent to miracle boy, when a superstar like Cavendish will be on the grid anyway. Cavendish will attract big crowds by himself. Would you pay appearance money to a rider with muddy shoes?

I have not seen any evidence of the FEDS leaking information yet - although plenty of speculation in the press and clinic. cheers

If you're a cycling fan then yes. If there is a pro cyclist that non cycling fans will know about, especially in Australia, it is Lance Armstrong, like it or not. In their eyes they believe that paying such money to bring in a has-been, will still generate the most publicity for them.

I would rather give the money they are LA as a prize pool for the riders instead. About a nice $1.5m cheque for first place, on top of that with the Aussie dollar that more or less has parity with the American dollar.

 

[thehog]

I'm looking forward to the hard hitting Aussie press asking the tough questions on Armstrong;

"Lance first of all. Thanks for choosing Australia as the country for your last International race. It's a pleasure having you here and for you to make the journey to our country. You've had an amazing career, you've won the Tour de France more times than anyone, you won the several single day races and big classics, you've founded one of the worlds biggest cancer research foundations which gives millions to the goal one day finding a cure for cancer - is there anything you still want to achieve?"

"Thanks for the question. I was happy to choose Australia as the location of my last International race. To be honest when the Floyd *** came out I thought 'thats it' no one is going to be stupid enough to pay me to turn up to a race again. But hey i forgot about the Aussies and how they fawn over Internationals. So they plonked another 2million on the table and who am I to say no to some moola? So I'll take the cash and run. It's also good to lock in a foundation speech as that allows Livestrong to pick up the tab on the jet for me and the family. So yes I'm very happy to come to Australia even if they are a little bit slow to catch on that I'll be indicted soon. Thank god the Aussie cash will be in escrow so Anna is going to get it in the new year tax free. In terms of what I need to achieve next? I think there is a lot of awareness about cancer in the jail systems which needs to be discovered. I plan to dedicate the next few years to this exciting new cause."

 

[Nick777]

No for jail time.
IMO, the truth will come out, as jail would be Lance's worst result (by a narrow margin).
I sense that the spin campaign is already being drawn up.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I'm looking forward to the hard hitting Aussie press asking the tough questions on Armstrong;

"Lance first of all. Thanks for choosing Australia as the country for your last International race. It's a pleasure having you here and for you to make the journey to our country. You've had an amazing career, you've won the Tour de France more times than anyone, you won the several single day races and big classics, you've founded one of the worlds biggest cancer research foundations which gives millions to the goal one day finding a cure for cancer - is there anything you still want to achieve?"

"Thanks for the question. I was happy to choose Australia as the location of my last International race. To be honest when the Floyd *** came out I thought 'thats it' no one is going to be stupid enough to pay me to turn up to a race again. But hey i forgot about the Aussies and how they fawn over Internationals and they plonked another 2million on the table and who am I to say no to some moola? So I'll take the cash and run. It's also good to lock in a foundation speech as that allows Livestrong to pick up the tab on the jet for me and the family. So yes I'm very happy to come to Australia even if they are a little bit slow to catch on that I'll be indicted soon. Thank god the Aussie cash will be in escrow so Anna is going to get it in the new year tax free. In terms of what I need to achieve next? I think there is a lot of awareness about cancer in the jail systems which needs to be discovered. I plan to dedicate the next few years go is cause."

The Australian press don't go hard on him because the main reason so many people have come to like cycling in this country is because of him. Like it or not that is the truth. He draws crowds. Why wouldn't any journalist covering the event not want people going to the event and people showing interest in the event and cycling in general? The part it crosses the line for me is when they pay him out of tax payers money to just ride.

 

[craig1985]

The Australian press don't go hard on him because the main reason so many people have come to like cycling in this country is because of him. Like it or not that is the truth. He draws crowds. Why wouldn't any journalist covering the event not want people going to the event and people showing interest in the event and cycling in general? The part it crosses the line for me is when they pay him out of tax payers money to just ride.

You know as well I do that it doesn't take much to be a sports journalist in Australia. The fact that they get paid is an outrage, $.50 an hour is too much IMO (the bad ones that is).

 

[auscyclefan94]

You know as well I do that it doesn't take much to be a sports journalist in Australia. The fact that they get paid is an outrage, $.50 an hour is too much IMO (the bad ones that is).

I do agree, most are a bunch of gossip journalists. Even so, the australian press can come down on sportspeople like a ton of bricks if they really want to. If they wanted to they could do that to Lance but they don't want to because they know that is not good for the tour down under for example which ultimately gives them less work.

 

[mwbyrd]

He's too rich to do jail time. All his team of lawyers has to do is convince a few jurors that 1)They shouldn't hurt LAF 2) He was not the ringleader 3) it's just cycling (some weird sport Europeans do)

I think the better question is: What percent of Americans will know LA is a complete fraud when the dust clears and will LA opt for the "Tearful Oprah Moment" or not.

A less important issue but a personal curiosity of mine is: Does Robin Williams and Ben Stiller know what fake he is? Not sure why I care but it's interesting.

Why do you consider LA a fraud? This is what bugs me about the forum. You guys assume he is a fraud because he says he never did PEDs or never tested positive.

Based on this theory, every cyclist is a fraud because every cyclist must be doping. Therefore, we are all frauds.

How personally has LA (or any other top cyclist) personally affected you? You seem so angry...

I can't believe how much time and energy (me included) we waste on the subject of LA.

 

[sartain]

There is a lot of speculation as to what the current investigations reveal. As an opinion, I predict Novitzky will prove miracle boy lied during the SCA case. I presume lying to a civil court is still perjury. On that count alone, I voted yes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31833754/Lance-Armstrong-Testimony

cheers to all

NO, because Cancer is stronger than Kryptonite, and is the reason why guys like Madoff, Kozlowski, Ebbers, Fastow, Skilling, etc. are in jail and LA will not be.

 

[fatandfast]

He's too rich to do jail time. All his team of lawyers has to do is convince a few jurors that 1)They shouldn't hurt LAF 2) He was not the ringleader 3) it's just cycling (some weird sport Europeans do)

I think the better question is: What percent of Americans will know LA is a complete fraud when the dust clears and will LA opt for the "Tearful Oprah Moment" or not.

A less important issue but a personal curiosity of mine is: Does Robin Williams and Ben Stiller know what fake he is? Not sure why I care but it's interesting.

Robin Williams has done work with the Gay Mens Health Crisis in NYC.. Stand Up For Heros for US service members and used Lance to raise money. Ben Stiller has gone on charity rides w Lance that have involved TV and Movie execs going on a small group rides to raise money for Stillerstrong.org. Most people in the US don't know if when Lance is riding or racing and are still giving loads of cash for his causes. It's Oprah's last season and since Lance has not been charged with anything yet I would think that we are a couple of years off from seeing him talk about the rights and wrongs of his life. Another poster wrote that Armstrong is an old has been..I would have to agree. Also written was the curious nature of start money from the TDU..I agree also..that should really disturb people..wo Armstrong there is nobody to promote for the TDU..nobody..not a single rider w a world wide appeal..Pretty sad. Most pros can walk thorugh any airport in the world without a head turning or an autograph seeker. I hardly think the celebs think the money he helps raise is fake

 

[La Pandera]

Wealth alone can't prevent someone from jail. We had a top-ranking politician in Germany. He even was an Earl and was raking in money. He sat in jail for some years because of tax fraud.

Definitely not. Considering his supposed contribution to society with his charities, it just isn't going to happen.

 

[SpeedWay]

Why do you consider LA a fraud? This is what bugs me about the forum. You guys assume he is a fraud because he says he never did PEDs or never tested positive.

Based on this theory, every cyclist is a fraud because every cyclist must be doping. Therefore, we are all frauds.

How personally has LA (or any other top cyclist) personally affected you? You seem so angry...

I can't believe how much time and energy (me included) we waste on the subject of LA.

Don't discourage them. It's entertaining seeing how many different ways they can say the same thing over the years with such passion and conviction. Reminds me of my ex's arguments to limit my training time to 2 or 3 days a week.