Owners - are you happy about the appalling moderation?

[mountainrman]

You must have me mixed up with one of your skydiots. I don't report posts.

Do you see sitting bison. He has no idea whether I support sky or not, but hurls an abusive name in the post "skydiots", an insult intended to label all members of the forum who support sky as "idiots", including me with intent.

I got an unjustifiable three month ban - the subject of this thread - , for wrongly being accused of having labelled other posters as "historic bad guys". I clearly did not. So what ban is appropriate for clearly labelling some members as idiots as above?

Supporting sky is against mob credo. You apparently have to believe they are dopers or certainly not support them to belong to the mob. Every post the mob makes is ad hominem, either directly by ridicule, sarcasm, or accusations of trolling. Whether or not posts are reported directly is of little consequence. The modus operandi is clear, to attempt to outcast posters whose views they do not like by accusing them of trolling.

Bison - What you saw as a joke was clearly intended as ridicule. That is why you should not have supported it.

 

[Schwartzchov]

No, WADA (We Arbitrate Decisons Anonomously) is the rule maker - the poster needs to appeal to the Court of Arbitration of Trolls or CAT, why do you think Susan has that avatar?

I will have to give you at least 8 out of 10 for the comical value of this post. You didn't by any chance do some stand up comedy at some stage or perhaps on some stage. Good one....seriously....

 

[sublimit]

Surprisingly no word from the owners yet.

They're probably avoiding the thread in case they get mocked by somebody.

 

[ElChingon]

They're probably avoiding the thread in case they get mocked by somebody.

My guess would be that they'd be instantly banned for trolling, you know since own the place then post, basically the ultimate troll.

 

[mewmewmew13]

psst..
this place is reportedly run by the mob....





fgs it is just an online forum!

 

[ElChingon]

psst..
this place is reportedly run by the mob....





fgs it is just an online forum!

Wow, this from the pinch gate hater, did you know it was just a forum back then?

 

[BroDeal]

They're probably avoiding the thread in case they get mocked by somebody.

I heard Daniel Benson is awaiting advice from the mob's consigliere. Judging by how long this has taken in the past, I would not expect an answer this decade.

 

[BroDeal]

Do you see sitting bison. He has no idea whether I support sky or not, but hurls an abusive name in the post "skydiots", an insult intended to label all members of the forum who support sky as "idiots", including me with intent.

I got an unjustifiable three month ban - the subject of this thread - , for wrongly being accused of having labelled other posters as "historic bad guys". I clearly did not. So what ban is appropriate for clearly labelling some members as idiots as above?

I mentioned Sky because you accused me of riling people up so I could report their response to the mods. This is absolutely untrue. During the whole time I have been here I think I have reported three or four posts. That averages out to like one a year, and I cannot recall the last time I reported anything. On the other hand, the Skrybabies' whinging nature appears to manifest itself in trying to shut down discussion of their favorite shady team by complaining to the mods. This is evidenced by the number of complaints about someone as innocuous as the hog.

Supporting sky is against mob credo. You apparently have to believe they are dopers or certainly not support them to belong to the mob. Every post the mob makes is ad hominem, either directly by ridicule, sarcasm, or accusations of trolling. Whether or not posts are reported directly is of little consequence. The modus operandi is clear, to attempt to outcast posters whose views they do not like by accusing them of trolling.

The mob?

It is interesting that even in this thread that is supposed to be about how you were wronged, you could not resist the urge to post your usual BS about the federal Armstrong investigation being shut down, BS that flies in the face of what the actual investigators on the case told reporters.

 

[Benotti69]

Is this the official cry baby thread?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Is this the official cry baby thread?

He thinks that when he keeps shouting "2 and 2 is 3" and a whole lot of people try to correct him, that makes them a mob that is incapable of independent thought. The possibility that the majority doesn't agree because he is wrong does not enter into his head.

 

[Scott SoCal]

He thinks that when he keeps shouting "2 and 2 is 3" and a whole lot of people try to correct him, that makes them a mob that is incapable of independent thought. The possibility that the majority doesn't agree because he is wrong does not enter into his head.

You aren't talking about me are you??

 

[Hugh Januss]

You aren't talking about me are you??

Not at the moment.

 

[peloton]

I don't get it, if you have an issue with the mods etc, then why post here???

Plenty other cycling forums to join.

Been here from the start, we lost some great mods, but appreciate the new ones trying to keep it civil too, not easy always I guess...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

"Alas," said the mouse, "the whole world is growing smaller every day. At the beginning it was so big that I was afraid, I kept running and running, and I was glad when I saw walls far away to the right and left, but these long walls have narrowed so quickly that I am in the last chamber already, and there in the corner stands the trap that I must run into."

"You only need to change your direction," said the cat, and ate it.

 

[Race Radio]

Surprisingly no word from the owners yet.

I heard they are appalled by the spelling in this thread

 

[sittingbison]

I will accept your apology as sincere if you make a clear statement to RaceRadio, BroDeal and others on this thread that henceforth ridiculing, sarcastic, abusive, off topic , and ad hominem posting ( and other forms of trolling - including accusing any other poster of being a troll) as they do above will no longer be accepted from them, and then follow through with that. But I won't hold my breath.

The problem is so endemic, the mob think they own the place and are immune, so many have made the same remarks and nothing has been done about it ( take airstream and others before him) , that I do not expect that it will change any time soon....

The problem is you and others have no idea what is being said to other members. You have no idea what gentle pushes are being made, or pre warnings, or warnings, or final warnings. You have no idea what gets moderated or what gets deleted. You have no idea who makes complaints, or if those complaints are acted on.

Trolling? Baiting?? your own OP is borderline with the Butch Reynolds scenario. Some believe more than borderline, and risk bans for labeling it as such or have reported it. Yet it has not been deleted or moderated in any way. Nor has the "skyidiot" reference, because your response to that is worth reading.

Mods posting in threads? Then being attacked for being insensitive, inappropriate, sarcastic or inflaming? The flip side is using some gentle humour to alleviate a potentially inflamed situation, but that doesn't always work because various posters have their own agenda that has nothing to do with fair play or ettiquette. And some have a bee in their bonnet.

People will take ANY comment the way they want to, not how it is intended. Which is probably the single reason why some posters think mods should not also post. However mods posting also demonstrates their personal style, so posters get used to them. See amsterhammers posts about Hiero2 and Alpe...it was ALL about the style of the moderator.

 

[ElChingon]

I heard they are appalled by the spelling in this thread

Maybe they replied via Twitter and no one read it.

 

[hiero2]

. . . - the poster needs to appeal to the Court of Arbitration of Trolls or CAT, why do you think Susan has that avatar?

Dr Mas - I LOVE the CAT idea/concept. Love it. It is permanent now.

You must have me mixed up with one of your skydiots. I don't report posts.

Bro, you are wrong on this one, and out of line, and my bet is that you know it. All for the pleasure of sticking one insulting word in there. Was it worth it? You don't know the cost yet - the bill has not yet come due, but it may, my friend, it may.

yada yada . . .the Skrybabies' whinging nature . . .yada yada . . . their favorite shady team . . .
This is evidenced by the number of complaints about someone as innocuous as the hog.
The mob? . . . yada yada

Here, again, Bro, you have stuck in prejudicial terms, purportedly innocuously, but in reality with intent. Btw, don't go and get all defensive on me, you aren't the only one who I'm going to knock heads on.

And calling the hog innocuous? Man o man, there are a lot of folks here who will argue that point way past the break of dawn - but maybe that WAS your point. Bro, are you in troll mode here? All the evidence points that way.

Is this the official cry baby thread?

Now, see? Benotti, as much as I respect you as a poster, you are piling on, and I know you know it. That makes this post of yours a troll, too, you do know this, right? You want to call a spade a spade, right?

He thinks that when he keeps shouting "2 and 2 is 3" and a whole lot of people try to correct him, that makes them a mob that is incapable of independent thought. The possibility that the majority doesn't agree because he is wrong does not enter into his head.

Well, now, I actually agree with you here. But mountainrman doesn't. He does believe what he says. Back in the day of rec.bicycles, we all knew Mike Vandeman. It didn't take us long to figure out where he was coming from - and he got properly killfiled. If YOU think that is where mountainrman belongs - in the killfile - the put him on ignore. Of course, this goes for everybody, not just you, Hugh.

In my opinion, y'all have mountainrman 0 to whatever, in regular arguments. But here? In this thread? Mountainrman has called a troll a troll, and hit the nail on the head. On my scorecard, mountainrman wins this one. I'm not talking about all that other thread stuff being brought up, either.

I don't get it, if you have an issue with the mods etc, then why post here???

Plenty other cycling forums to join.

Been here from the start, we lost some great mods, but appreciate the new ones trying to keep it civil too, not easy always I guess...

No, it sure ain't been easy, and thanks.

I heard they are appalled by the spelling in this thread

Bad spelling is a hallmark of trolls. Did you know that?


Mountainrman - if somebody gives you snark and sarcasm - and they think it is wit - you can ignore them. Back to usenet trolls 101:

IGNORE THE TROLLS.

Sarcasm, irony, "wit" (or maybe that would be better "biting wit"), snark - are signs of destructive minds and trolls.

IGNORE THE TROLL.

That was worth repeating. We have a LOT of people posting in this forum, just looking for reactions. I'm sure if I started counting, it would not stop at a dozen, or even twice that. Any one of these people, alone, would have been labeled "troll" in usenet days, and properly labeled so. Here we have a "mob", and that is not a bad label, under the circumstances. But, because it is a mob, don't think, not for a second, that all these trolls think the same way - they don't, not at all. The only thing they share in common is the joy of lighting up the speaker's chair with fireworks. They are at each other's throats as often as anybody else's. Pish posh. What a bother.

Respect, ladies and gents. R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Golden rule. Those who live by the knife, die by . . . .

We need a broad-based effort to lighten this up. You ALL know SOME people who can handle the taunts and give as got. Amster, Bro, Scotty, Rhu, Hog, and many more, I'm talking to you. Amster - that was your point - you know who you can beat on, and still have it regarded as humor, at least amongst yourselves. All of you know who can handle the heat - and if you don't, then don't deliver the heat. The POINT isn't to drive other posters away. If your POINT is to drive other posters away, then we'll just have to deal with that, won't we?

Oh, and one last thing - if you don't IGNORE THE TROLL, I'm not sure I can help ya.

 

[JRTinMA]

You all suck, can you close this thread now.

 

[sittingbison]

You all suck, can you close this thread now.

can't...the "owners" haven't replied yet

 

[BroDeal]

Bro, you are wrong on this one,...

Don't imply that I report posts to get people in trouble.

Well, now, I actually agree with you here. But mountainrman doesn't. He does believe what he says. Back in the day of rec.bicycles, we all knew Mike Vandeman. It didn't take us long to figure out where he was coming from - and he got properly killfiled.

That worked out really well. Everybody abandoned Usenet because people like Vandeman, who continued trolling year after year after year until he eventually assaulted multiple mountain bikers on multiple occasions. Sometimes you cannot help these guys, and trying to ignore their idiocy is like trying to eat with a large turd sitting in the middle of the dining table.

 

[hiero2]

Don't imply that I report posts to get people in trouble. . .

Not my intention - and you are jumping to a defensive position on this one. The issue was "skydiots". On the LOGIC side, that you might be reporting posts that you generated - innocent. No prob on that score, dude.

. . .
That worked out really well. Everybody abandoned Usenet because people like Vandeman, who continued trolling year after year after year until he eventually assaulted multiple mountain bikers on multiple occasions. Sometimes you cannot help these guys, and trying to ignore their idiocy is like trying to eat with a large turd sitting in the middle of the dining table.

Well, kinda. But also not, kinda. I think Vandeman was a true nutter, but he wasn't the reason ppl abandoned rec.bicycles.*

I think, aamof, that rec.bicycles.tech is still alive and well.

But, kinda yeah? You say ppl LIKE Mikey - trolls - continued year after year - and yeah, that fits my recollection. I gave up when it got too contentious. CN forums seem to be in a similar position at the moment, at least, to me it seems that way. Which is why I'm publicly trying to tell all our snark-lovers to put a chill on it. We have a lot of ppl doing this - not just you, but I think you know you are doing it too. I KNOW it's more fun to insult the other guy. Been there, done that <sigh, the truth will out>. But it isn't polite, and it discourages other posters.

 

[Ripper]

They're probably avoiding the thread in case they get mocked by somebody.

This is hilarious!

 

[hiero2]

You all suck, can you close this thread now.

Can you believe it? Suck has entered the general lexicon. Webster's Dictionary has an entry for it! I remember the year they decided to enter "ain't", and "y'all".

But you lost me, neighbor, why close the thread? I'm a smart fella, I ain't dumb. I've got plenty of proof, if you need. Of course, that doesn't mean I've got any common sense, either. So, how about helping us poor idiots out, and try to calmy present what brought you to this opinyun. Eh?

 

[Ripper]

Is this the official cry baby thread?

Apparently!