Ozzie Dopers. Surprise surpise

[blackcat]

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/42-australians-fail-dope-tests-20111013-1lmdh.html

matter of time before their swimmers get caught o/s.

wont get caught at home, like Usain Bolt, they protected, like a platinum prophylactic.

 

[bicing]

Dammit I wanted to post this first blackcat =P

Who's your guess on the 7 cyclists?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

wow, it must be a mistake

 

[craig1985]

I would be interested in what levels these athletes are at.

 

[Benotti69]

I am so surprised about the 7 cyclists...........


















............that it was so few.

 

[bicing]

thinking about trent lowe and matthew lloyd ... that all i got...

 

[hrotha]

Are those 42 positives news? Because from the article I gather it's a statistical recap of past positive cases, not an announcement of new ones.

 

[auscyclefan94]

the main drugs they tested + for all likely came from supplements. There were only a few for more well known or serious PED's. Anyway, the fact that there have been 42 suggest that the level of the athletes for at least some of these offences is rather low. Also, please don't give me the crap that ASADA are trying to cover up for their own as they openly came out with this information anyway. If any pro cyclist tested positive I am pretty sure that the authorities would be right onto it and so would the media.

If you mean to say Aussie dopers, please spell it the correct way, Blackcat. Anyway, we know that your narrowmindedness often hampers your attempts at trying to be rational

 

[craig1985]

I could see why there might be a coverup if it was a topline AFL or NRL (rugby league) player that tested positive, but I doubt it would be the case if it were a pro cyclist, or from any other sport.

 

[AussieGoddess]

one of the "AFL" posatives was from a WA player who played in the WAFL (state league). I remember there being some coverage of it at the time ... he was banned for using steroids to recover from injury.

Wasnt covered up, and got front page coverage here

 

[craig1985]

When I mean AFL player, I mean players who take part in the national competition, not state league or anything like that.

 

[Ferminal]

one of the "AFL" posatives was from a WA player who played in the WAFL (state league). I remember there being some coverage of it at the time ... he was banned for using steroids to recover from injury.

Wasnt covered up, and got front page coverage here

And the guy done for Ephedrine in the GF.

Are those 42 positives news? Because from the article I gather it's a statistical recap of past positive cases, not an announcement of new ones.

That's indeed what it is, you should be able to find a list of sanctions on the ASADA site.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Are those 42 positives news? Because from the article I gather it's a statistical recap of past positive cases, not an announcement of new ones.

Correct - it is just the overall publication of last years numbers.

Al the individuals have already been reported in sanctions part (as indeed ASADA are obliged to do)
http://www.asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/index.html

 

[rgmerk]

ASADA list of currently sanctioned athletes

Here's the list of currently sanctioned athletes. There's 3 cyclists on it, none of whom I've heard of.

There's another cyclist who would be on that list if he hadn't been killed on a training ride - John Cornish. Cornish intended to appeal his suspension (read the link for the scientific basis of this); in any case, my understanding was that he was a good local rider, but no more. Like all Australian-based riders, he wasn't making a living out of it.

I don't think you can take this as evidence as widespread doping in Australian domestic cycling.

 

[42x16ss]

I could see why there might be a coverup if it was a topline AFL or NRL (rugby league) player that tested positive, but I doubt it would be the case if it were a pro cyclist, or from any other sport.

If the majority of these athletes are involved with the AIS it will get covered up ASAP

Us aussies don't dope....

 

[python]

Us aussies don't dope....

you actually could be right or........the oz is best at covering up


it all depends on whether you're an optimist or a pessimist and not at all on the actual statistics.

for ex, france for a marginally higher number of total tests (about 25%) catches more than 5 times as many dopers as oz, or the overall rate of positives in oz (about .5%) is actually one of the lowest in the word for any country and is 4 times lower than the overall wada stats historically (about 2%)

go figure, you're either:

(i) the cleanest
(ii) best at covering up,
(iii) most incompetent at testing



yep, the stats are as always in the eyes of the beholder

 

[Catwhoorg]

Using : http://www.ukad.org.uk/pages/historical-results/

Based in a like for like comparison, UK anti-doping had 26 violations in the 12 months through to June 2011 (1Q 2011-2012 on the link)


Anabolic agents, and stimulants being the two biggest categories in both.

US anti-doping dones' have the like for like Figures up yet, but full year 2010 had 38 violations.

 

[Anonymous]

you can always rely on blackcat for a bit of xenophobia. As others have said, the list had already been published ,and all the athletes are fairly minor and no evidence at all of a cover up.

for example, ASADA issued press releases on them as well
eg: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...&sig=AHIEtbRXqmgl3JQ9bdCDV8ZMi3b81sko7Q&pli=1


nothing to see here.

 

[zigmeister]

I suppose the lesson to be learned in all of these anti-doping craze is: raise and slaughter your own meat if you want to be safe from clenbuterol positives. And don't take any OTC supplement whatsoever in your life.

USAC and others have made it public that a big increase of positives have been due to Methylhexaneamine. This is hidden/obscured within other products and ingredients as part of OTC supplements, yet you don't know it is there unless what other ingredients may contain it.

Bodybuilding, rugby and some other sports we can safely assume steroids were the positive tests.

Of course, they didn't reveal who, or at least what, the positive tests were for. That would be nice instead of taking their word for it in some secretive manner only revealing bits/pieces of information for their PR initiative to continue getting their funding.

This statement was a good one, now you know how they are catching many of these people. Trying to import illegal stuff using their actual names and shipped to their home address.

"ASADA also reported that it had analysed 297 reports from various intelligence sources, and 2968 referrals of performance and image enhancing drugs from the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service."

 

[MonsterCyclist]

This substance methylhexaneamine sounds like a nightmare for athletes. It's in lots of different supplements and is not always labelled.

http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/2011/03/methylhexaneamine-1-3-dimethylamylamine.html

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This substance methylhexaneamine sounds like a nightmare for athletes. It's in lots of different supplements and is not always labelled.

http://drugfreesportrec.blogspot.com/2011/03/methylhexaneamine-1-3-dimethylamylamine.html

Isn't that the one the Costa brothers tested + for?

 

[blackcat]

the main drugs they tested + for all likely came from supplements. There were only a few for more well known or serious PED's. Anyway, the fact that there have been 42 suggest that the level of the athletes for at least some of these offences is rather low. Also, please don't give me the crap that ASADA are trying to cover up for their own as they openly came out with this information anyway. If any pro cyclist tested positive I am pretty sure that the authorities would be right onto it and so would the media.

If you mean to say Aussie dopers, please spell it the correct way, Blackcat. Anyway, we know that your narrowmindedness often hampers your attempts at trying to be rational

hahahaha, very funny

 

[blackcat]

you can always rely on blackcat for a bit of xenophobia. As others have said, the list had already been published ,and all the athletes are fairly minor and no evidence at all of a cover up.

for example, ASADA issued press releases on them as well
eg: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...&sig=AHIEtbRXqmgl3JQ9bdCDV8ZMi3b81sko7Q&pli=1


nothing to see here.

liked u better as DimSpace

 

[danjo007]

lol- blackcat u troll. still ur a complete d!ck tho.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Data from ASADA annual reports, as best as I was able to determine when I looked at it earlier this year:

In Australia it is normal for annual reports to use a July-June financial year reporting period rather than calendar years.

Note that this was as of March 2011 when I went through the reports. I haven't checked to see the current numbers for 2011.

If the latest report (2010/11) shows 42 doping violations in a 12 month period, then that is a significant increase (up 54%) on the historical average of 27 doping violations per year for last six years.

It would interesting to see if that is as a result of an increased in the number of tests, or better targeted testing. I doubt that, on average, athlete behaviour wrt doping has worsened to that extent compared to previous years.

edit - I just noted 7040 tests according to the article, so that means the 2010/11 doping violation rate went up to 0.6% of all tests.