Paris-Nice '12: Stage 1 Dampierre-en-Yvelines - Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse (ITT), 9,4 k

[DominicDecoco]

Not having a go at El Pisto. It's not just on Wiggins. But everytime a limited riders gets the best of his potential in a given situation, rides conservatively and rides extremely clever he's a 'wheelsucker'. It's just stupid.

 

[theyoungest]

Not having a go at El Pisto. It's not just on Wiggins. But everytime a limited riders gets the best of his potential in a given situation, rides conservatively and rides extremely clever he's a 'wheelsucker'. It's just stupid.

Some riders will happily sit on the wheel even if the group is two or three riders big. I think then the term wheelsucker definitely applies.

 

[El Pistolero]

If you say so. However its wrong along with 99% of the other rubbish you post on this forum.

Im presuming you are trolling because I fail to believe that you couldnt understand the difference between wheelsucking and being a diesel climber.

Leipheimer is not a diesel climber then?

 

[DominicDecoco]

Some riders will happily sit on the wheel even if the group is two or three riders big. I think then the term wheelsucker definitely applies.

If they think they get the best of the situation like that then it's just great tactics. Clever riding.

Even Nick Nuyens who had no business of winning the Flanders was called a wheelsucker. I mean, what the hell did people expect him to do?

 

[El Pistolero]

If they think they get the best of the situation like that then it's just great tactics. Clever riding.

Even Nick Nuyens who had no business to do at Flanders was called a wheelsucker. I mean, what the hell did people expect him to do?

I'm glad I have no problem with that.

Did I say I have a problem with that? If Nuyens didn't suck wheels in Flanders then what exactly did he do? Some people here are a little bit too oversensitive I guess

It's not like Nuyens was spared of bad luck during the Ronde van Vlaanderen.

Did Wiggins attack even once during Paris-Nice last year? I can show you examples of Leipheimer attacking or even leading a climb during a Grand Tour Why is it ok to call Leipheimer a wheel-sucker then, but it's not ok to do the same with Wiggins? Perhaps because there are a lot more British cycling fans than Americans here

Just sayin', but apparently that makes me an idiot

 

[will10]

God forbid someone rides smart to try to win. Good grief.

 

[El Pistolero]

God forbid someone rides smart to try to win. Good grief.

Hey, I agree, I wasn't making any judgement in my posts.

 

[Richeypen]

Leipheimer is not a diesel climber then?

Again you are misunderstanding (Im guessing on purpose though I may be giving you too much credit)

Levi rides within himself, content to sit on wheels and jump the rider and get the victory. That is not diesel climbing. Case in point, stage 6 of last years Tour de Suisse. Sat on Cunego's wheel the whole climb before jumping him a getting vital seconds that ultimately decided GC.


Anyway you know all this and although im sure you are getting pleasure out of people responding to your trolling im going to exercise my right to use the ignore button.

 

[Froome19]

Leipheimer is not a diesel climber then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4szxANXBkD0
from 11:03 to the end
Edit: Guess I was already beaten to it.

 

[Richeypen]

God forbid someone rides smart to try to win. Good grief.

I fully accept that it is part of the sport but that doesnt mean I have to like riders who do it. Especially riders who do it lots.


getting back on topic, congratulations Gustav Larsson

 

[DominicDecoco]

Did I say I have a problem with that? If Nuyens didn't suck wheels in Flanders then what exactly did he do? Some people here are a little bit too oversensitive I guess

It's not like Nuyens was spared of bad luck during the Ronde van Vlaanderen.

Did Wiggins attack even once during Paris-Nice last year? I can show you examples of Leipheimer attacking or even leading a climb during a Grand Tour Why is it ok to call Leipheimer a wheel-sucker then, but it's not ok to do the same with Wiggins? Perhaps because there are a lot more British cycling fans than Americans here

Just sayin', but apparently that makes me an idiot

Whow, wait?! I just wrote that I wasn't having a go at you. It's the term in general. Nuyens was riding a clever race? If he had attacked like the favorites he would have won nothing. Did you expect Nuyens to do a Cancallara before the stage?

Where did I call Leipheimer a wheelsucker? I'm calling no one a wheelsucker. That's kind of my point. It's a ridiculous term in every aspects.

 

[El Pistolero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4szxANXBkD0
from 11:03 to the end
Edit: Guess I was already beaten to it.

Yeah, Leipheimer is a wheel-sucker, where did I say otherwise? He's also a diesel climber because he doesn't have that explosiveness in him like a Contador.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvjiaxO1uV8

Who's riding up front here?

What makes Wiggins so much different than Leipheimer? They're very similar riders in my opinion. I like Leipheimer and I have no ill feelings towards Wiggins. I actually had a great laugh with his act at the podium of the Giro prologue. At least I think it was an act

They're just both conservative riders usually, I used the term wheel-sucker for that. It's true that they both have had their non wheel-sucking moments

Sadly for Leipheimer, most of his attacking moments have appeared during American races, but a lot of people here don't take them serious

 

[El Pistolero]

Whow, wait?! I just wrote that I wasn't having a go at you. It's the term in general. Nuyens was riding a clever race? If he had attacked like the favorites he would have won nothing. Did you expect Nuyens to do a Cancallara before the stage?

Where did I call Leipheimer a wheelsucker? I'm calling no one a wheelsucker. That's kind of my point. It's a ridiculous term in every aspects.

I know you weren't and I wasn't adressing you when I said some people acted oversensitive here. I was saying some people here are too oversensitive in general.

And yeah, Nuyens rode a clever race by not attacking(not like he could have attacked though, he had a lot of bad luck during the race and was always off the back because of that). I'm not criticizing Nuyens But he did suck wheels of course, to his benefit(mostly Devolder in this case, but that wasn't shown on TV). Everyone is guilty of wheelsucking at some point in their career, even Contador Some just do it more than others.

I just quoted you to expand upon.

 

[cineteq]

Not this one as most of it is false flat. Valverde will lose lots of time to guys like Wiggins and Leipheimer.

This is your false flat by the way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjzcCgosQEM
As fate will have it, Valverde is in it

 

[movingtarget]

Again you are misunderstanding (Im guessing on purpose though I may be giving you too much credit)

Levi rides within himself, content to sit on wheels and jump the rider and get the victory. That is not diesel climbing. Case in point, stage 6 of last years Tour de Suisse. Sat on Cunego's wheel the whole climb before jumping him a getting vital seconds that ultimately decided GC.


Anyway you know all this and although im sure you are getting pleasure out of people responding to your trolling im going to exercise my right to use the ignore button.

How often do you see Leipheimer jump anyone to win a mountain stage ? Sure he rode a great race in the TDS and it was a great race to watch. In the TDF he has always been a diesel climber as has Menchov, Evans, Wiggins and many others. Leipheimer is more aggressive in the races within the USA because they are easier. I don't mind the way Leipheimer rides and he is a great TT rider. I think if he has more luck this year he could do a good GC ride in the TDF.

 

[wirral]

I can't see a "Stage 2 thread" so:-

Kittel is unbeatable if he gets a good position.
Hutarovich to place second.
Rojas to get a podium if he is allowed to sprint (Movistar are there for Valverde, we presume)
Feillu to cause a crash.

 

[Swede1]

I can't see a "Stage 2 thread" so:-

Kittel is unbeatable if he gets a good position.
Hutarovich to place second.
Rojas to get a podium if he is allowed to sprint (Movistar are there for Valverde, we presume)
Feillu to cause a crash.

I agree that Kittel is the fastest sprinter here. But ill say Haussler to get the win. Boonen should also be up there with a good leadout.

 

[greenedge]

Great ride by Larsson. Wiggins has put in quite a sizeable gap into Valverde ( 29 seconds ). I am not sure if that is insurmountable but Wiggins looks to be in good form from that performance.

Nice rides by Levi and TJVG. Not expected by Menchov/ Martin ( though he does have a cold )

 

[Mellow Velo]

Great ride by Larsson. Wiggins has put in quite a sizeable gap into Valverde ( 29 seconds ). I am not sure if that is insurmountable but Wiggins looks to be in good form from that performance.

Nice rides by Levi and TJVG. Not expected by Menchov/ Martin ( though he does have a cold )

Don't forget there is another ITT to come. It may be uphill, but it's a nice one for Bradders.
Levi is the big GC threat, imo.

As for Martin and Klodi: Did the spend the winter around at Ulle's place?

 

[Carols]

As for Martin and Klodi: Did the spend the winter around at Ulle's place?

Nah they were ITT training with Frandy!

 

[killswitch]

Nah they were ITT training with Frandy!

Actually, they did Team TT training in Calpe's clubs with Andy assuming the role of "road captain" in the absence of O'Grady.

“We ride in three groups because otherwise it’s just too big on the road, and we change the groups every day,” Andy Schleck explains later on. “Most of the guys I knew before, but now you really get time at the table in the evening to know the others better.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gallery-radioshack-nissan-trek-train-in-calpe