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Another one for Pogacar tomorrow?

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Another one for Pogacar tomorrow?

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I read some weeks ago that Pogi has lost weight.
That added to that he seems even as much on fire as allways and adding that I in fact myself climbed this climb a decade ago and didn't find it that hard, exept for the closing k's, it's a recipie for even more humiliation of his closest competitors.
However, super-excited about what Gaudu is able to do tomorrow.
 
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Should be cross-headwind on the climb tomorrow, it will die down a bit from 35 to 25 kmh in the afternoon.

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If it's cross-headwind on the climb, I'm just thankful it's not a block headwind like at Sassotetto today. Don't know what will happen to the time gaps. We might see similar time gaps to La Loge des Gardes or smaller time gaps.
 
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Whatever happened to Max Schachmann? He used to be great at this race and this point of the season? I mean he's still doing okay 2 minutes down, just that in the past he was awesome.
 
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I read some weeks ago that Pogi has lost weight.
That added to that he seems even as much as fire as allways and adding that I in fact myself climbed this climb a decade ago and didn't find it that hard, exept for the closing k's, it's a recipie for even more humiliation of his closest competitors.
However, super-exited about what Gaudu is able to do tomorrow.

If the weather was really cold we would be in for a demolition tomorrow. However, it should be warm for 1000+ elevation at this time of the year (and sunny) so no problems with glycogen utilization for Vinge and co. As for Pog's weight, he doesn't look lean here TBH.
 
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Back in the day, guys Vingegaard's size were 20 minutes down before they even got to the mountains. That's why some of the all time great featherweight climbers don't have the GT palmarès that riders of that type would have nowadays, and targeted the GPM instead. Federico Bahamontes won one Tour. So did Lucien van Impe. Lucho Herrera won one Vuelta, José Manuel Fuente won two. Neither Jiménez, Julio or Chava, won a GT. Vicente Trueba was literally the guy that the GPM was invented for, because he was the best climber in the race but only twice in his career even made a top 10, with a best of 6th.

It wasn't because they had a deficit in the mountains, but because the parcours was more about all-rounders back then.

The problem is that the increased professionalism in the bunch has meant that the racing is far more controlled and those featherweights are better protected now, such that they don't have any reason to think that they're not the main contenders for the win, in a way they would not have been in the past unless they were superstar elite climbers of the kind mentioned above - and even then, they'd probably have to go on regular Chiappucci-to-Sestrières exploits to be able to do so, not as a stylistic choice but because that was their only way to win. Even the really one-dimensional ones like Purito or Miguel Ángel López.

If you can't compete in the crosswinds because you're too light, it's not cycling's fault and something that needs to be warded against because heaven forfend a GC contender lose time. GC contenders are made by the characteristics of the races that they enter, and if the characteristic of that race changes, then the profile of who is or isn't a contender will change accordingly and if that means the balance shifts so that Jonas Vingegaard isn't as much of a contender, the race shouldn't be obliged to neutralise itself to protect his ability to contend. That's asking ASO to make a rider bigger than the sport.
 
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It’s taking the piss for the stage to be cancelled and then of riders out doing training rides.

If it is genuinely far too hazardous to race them ok but if riders have exercised power to refuse to race because conditions are merely extremely unpleasant as in Camino recently then they need to be told they are free to abandon if they deem it unfit and let those that are willing to carry on do so.
 
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Back in the day, guys Vingegaard's size were 20 minutes down before they even got to the mountains. That's why some of the all time great featherweight climbers don't have the GT palmarès that riders of that type would have nowadays, and targeted the GPM instead. Federico Bahamontes won one Tour. So did Lucien van Impe. Lucho Herrera won one Vuelta, José Manuel Fuente won two. Neither Jiménez, Julio or Chava, won a GT. Vicente Trueba was literally the guy that the GPM was invented for, because he was the best climber in the race but only twice in his career even made a top 10, with a best of 6th.

It wasn't because they had a deficit in the mountains, but because the parcours was more about all-rounders back then.

The problem is that the increased professionalism in the bunch has meant that the racing is far more controlled and those featherweights are better protected now, such that they don't have any reason to think that they're not the main contenders for the win, in a way they would not have been in the past unless they were superstar elite climbers of the kind mentioned above - and even then, they'd probably have to go on regular Chiappucci-to-Sestrières exploits to be able to do so, not as a stylistic choice but because that was their only way to win. Even the really one-dimensional ones like Purito or Miguel Ángel López.

If you can't compete in the crosswinds because you're too light, it's not cycling's fault and something that needs to be warded against because heaven forfend a GC contender lose time. GC contenders are made by the characteristics of the races that they enter, and if the characteristic of that race changes, then the profile of who is or isn't a contender will change accordingly and if that means the balance shifts so that Jonas Vingegaard isn't as much of a contender, the race shouldn't be obliged to neutralise itself to protect his ability to contend. That's asking ASO to make a rider bigger than the sport.
Vingegaard is a far better time-trialist than most, if not all, of the climbers you listed, though. Perhaps he would have struggled in GCs 50 years ago due to his size, but he would have been one of the big guns at, say, the turn of the millennium too, which proved not to be true for the likes of Jiménez. Indeed, ASO is more interested in echelon-baiting now than they were then.
 
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this is the trickle down effect from the "extreme weather protocol" shortening that Giro stage a few years ago just because it was raining. anytime these guys dont feel like dealing with the weather a few of them will get together and cancel the race. braving the weather conditions is what this sport should be about.
 
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I'm disappointed that I have one less race to watch, but I guess I just don't feel the entitlement so many posters here feel when they whine about riders not riding. If sponsors of the star riders, teams and race are kool with cancelling, that's all that's important. And to tell the truth, if I'm a sponsor of Pogacar, Vingegaard or anyone else, I'd rather have a meaningless P-N Stage cancelled than run it with even a slightly increased risk of injury.
 
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It's taking the piss for people not to realise that conditions in Place A may not be the same as conditions in Place B.
I'm sure they were very far away from where the stage was scheduled


I'm really not feeling this canceling stages without even going out there in the slightest. It's a very slippery slope.
 
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I'm disappointed that I have one less race to watch, but I guess I just don't feel the entitlement so many posters here feel when they whine about riders not riding. If sponsors of the star riders, teams and race are kool with cancelling, that's all that's important. And to tell the truth, if I'm a sponsor of Pogacar, Vingegaard or anyone else, I'd rather have a meaningless P-N Stage cancelled than run it with even a slightly increased risk of injury.
Of course sponsorships don’t care about the race, they make money off the results. How about the entitlement of those that complain and try to cancel races every time the weather gets bad?