Paris-Nice 2024, March 3-10

[Ilmaestro99]

One of the greatest races of the calendar, doing its best to ruin its prestige with a Mickey mouse gimmick TTT. A shame.

Looking forward to remco vs Roglic forum meltdown.

 

[Blanco]

Why would vingegaard fans whine? It's not like roglic can wheelsuck pog anyway lol

The point is, as I see you didn't understood, that if a rider isn't strong enough to drop another, he shouldn't pull him like an ox for entire climb and then just whine about it. He should try to out smart him.

 

[Blanco]

I hope this is a joke…..

No.

 

[rghysens]

While it's true that Tirreno-Adriatico was more about Sanremo prep for the longest time, and to this day I still associate it more with the Muri of the Marches than as a mini-GT stage race and think of editions like 2009 and 2010 as the ideal of what the race should be, they did have a San Giacomo MTF in 2007.

In addition to that, T-A had mtf´s to Monte Livata in 1975 and 1976, and to San Giacomo in 1977 and 1978.

 

[SHAD0W93]

No.

Well they are talking all about it during and up to now in regards to Roglic, and some even more than Evenepoel fans.

 

[bNator]

Well they are talking all about it during and up to now in regards to Roglic, and some even more than Evenepoel fans.

Wait a minute: Vingegaard fans accusing Roglic of wheelsucking? Why!? What more do they want?

 

[kn0s]

Wait a minute: Vingegaard fans accusing Roglic of wheelsucking? Why!? What more do they want?

Entertainment 🤣

 

[acm]

Entertainment 🤣

I would want that too if I were a Vingegaard fan.

 

[joseph89]

Oi, roglic
Oi, more passion, more passion, more passion
More energy, more energy
More attacks, more attacks, more attacks
More passion, more energy, more energy
Ay, oi, oi, easy now

 

[Escarabajo]

For me is as cat 2 finish.

7.4 KM @ 7% is borderline cat 1. However, it is one of those categorizations that depends on the length of the stage, the previous mountains and the run in to the mountain. I think there is plenty of hardness and drag in the run in to the mountain. So it should be a cat 1.

 

[houtdffan]

For me is as cat 2 finish.

7+km at ?7% is always going to be given a cat 1 by ASO

 

[Devil's Elbow]

For me is as cat 2 finish.

It's 7.3k at 7.2%. Let's look at comparable MTFs in recent Tours, shall we?

In descending order of difficulty:
Peyragudes (2022) - 8.1k at 7.2%, cat. 1
Saint-Gervais Le Bettex (2023) - 7.7k at 7.0%, cat. 1
Orcières-Merlette (2020) - 7.1k at 6.7%, cat. 1
Pra Loup (2015) - 6.3k at 6.2%, cat. 2

Granted, it's not a hard cat. 1, but it would almost certainly have been a cat. 1 had this been the Tour given that the easier climb to Orcières was one too.

 

[Froome]

It's 7.3k at 7.2%. Let's look at comparable MTFs in recent Tours, shall we?

In descending order of difficulty:
Peyragudes (2022) - 8.1k at 7.2%, cat. 1
Saint-Gervais Le Bettex (2023) - 7.7k at 7.0%, cat. 1
Orcières-Merlette (2020) - 7.1k at 6.7%, cat. 1
Pra Loup (2015) - 6.3k at 6.2%, cat. 2

Granted, it's not a hard cat. 1, but it would almost certainly have been a cat. 1 had this been the Tour given that the easier climb to Orcières was one too.

Stage profiles Paris - Nice 2024 Stage 7

Stage profile, mountains profiles, final five kilometre profile, race map, steepness percentage profiles for Paris - Nice 2024.

www.procyclingstats.com

7.4 km at 6.9%, it's less step, looking at PCS profile.

I don't agree with ASO, i don't think those climbs should be 1 st category except for peyragudes.

 

[Netserk]

It'd have been borderline a decade ago in the Tour:

Updated version including the 2014 climbs. Did adjustments on the NC-4C limit and the 2C-1C limit (now requiring 381 on the squared cotation instead of 400).

ASO measures Auron as 7.3 km at 7.2 %. That's a score of 378.

EDIT: While Linkinito writes 381, it looks like 361 is depicted as the threshold on the graph, so it should in fact clearly be a cat. 1.

 

[Rob5091]

Roglic's form will be the interesting thing in the race. He's got to be at peak form in July for the Tour.

 

[bNator]

Stage profiles Paris - Nice 2024 Stage 7

Stage profile, mountains profiles, final five kilometre profile, race map, steepness percentage profiles for Paris - Nice 2024.

www.procyclingstats.com

7.4 km at 6.9%, it's less step, looking at PCS profile.

I don't agree with ASO, i don't think those climbs should be 1 st category except for peyragudes.

Well, it's a cat 1 finish whether you like it or not. That means that when you say there is no cat 1 finish in this race and another poster corrects you, you accept the fact that you were wrong and move on...

 

[Froome]

Well, it's a cat 1 finish whether you like it or not. That means that when you say there is no cat 1 finish in this race and another poster corrects you, you accept the fact that you were wrong and move on...

Stop picking on me every day. Move on man.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Well, it's a cat 1 finish whether you like it or not. That means that when you say there is no cat 1 finish in this race and another poster corrects you, you accept the fact that you were wrong and move on...

Never!

Stop picking on me every day. Move on man.

Never!

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So the biggest rivalry in cycling (or at least on CN forum) is back! Rogla vs Bullet-man, ex ski-jumper vs ex footballer, ice vs fire. Remco will definitely want to change the TTT into an ITT and leave all other teams in the dust. As for Primoz he will likely stomp everyone when an occasion arises! Hopefully there will be some wheelsucking included, otherwise CN greatest experts will be disappointed!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

So the biggest rivalry in cycling (or at least on CN forum) is back! Rogla vs Bullet-man, ex ski-jumper vs ex footballer, ice vs fire. Remco will definitely want to change the TTT into an ITT and leave all other teams in the dust. As for Primoz he will likely stomp everyone when an occasion arises! Hopefully there will be some wheelsucking included, otherwise CN greatest experts will be disappointed!

Don't worry, Vlasov will be sucking Roglic wheel plenty.

 

[Lequack]

What is Vlasov beats both Remco and Rogloc? Then it's game over.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

What is Vlasov beats both Remco and Rogloc? Then it's game over.

Then we close the forum.

 

[ashhutch1997]

As I said, it's not a must for Paris-Nice to have a mountain stage. I would definitely prefer if there weren't one as it completely locks the race and becomes all-important.

The same goes for Tirreno for me, I would much rather have it decided on the hilly terrain instead of just one MTF.

Yeah, the 2019 TA was a great race, and didn't have a proper MTF, just some really well designed medium mountain/ muro stages.

 

[Savant12]

The crowd wants a Roglstomp not a far out attack - or it will need to be named Roglsmash. Roglic...mad!!!

 

[Lequack]

The world is not ready for bandit Remco