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Tricycle Rider

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Sciatic said:
In addition to the teams, the riders themselves have a certain degree of responsibility here too. Since there was no specific restart time it would make sense to stay close to the front of the stoppage point, even if folks needed to go back to cars to get warmer clothes and food. It's like getting to the airport and despite the plane already being there, something needed fixing and the airline posted that there is a 3-hour delay. One could go to a distant airport restaurant order a big meal, have several beers, and saunter back to the gate in 2 hrs. I almost missed a flight once because they ended up fixing the problem much more quickly than anticipated so instead of a 3-yr delay they were boarding folks just 45 minutes after the original departure time. When there is a delay--in sport, in life, where ever--the length of a delay is always an estimate. Riders who didn't want to get left behind or scrambling madly when the race restarted needed to be somewhat cognizant of that.
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May I ask which airline you were traveling with? :p
 
Peyroteo94

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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Why is it not good for him? Almeida came 2nd, just 1 second behind Pidcock on Malhao in '23, and ahead of Van Wilder, Buitrago, Dani Martinez... riders who supposedly do well on such a finish. Tomorrow is only 800m shorter than Malhao. I doubt his direct competitors have any real advantage here.
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The final climb is his kryptonite. Too steep and very short and he can't recover after being left behind in the bottom of the climb. He has very problems with positioning himself.
But João is very unreliable. He is always there but we never know where he will give an incredible performance or a bad performance. Volta a Valenciana is a perfect example of that.
 
Rechtschreibfehler

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tobydawq said:
Where exactly is all this Dane bashing you claim to see?

I certainly don't feel offended, so I think it's a massive overreaction on your part to take it so seriously.
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Well my point was more about the language than about danes, but admittedly this probably got lost because of my original post, which was a reaction to the entire rat talk, which did get connected to Danes. But I guess, thinking about it, isn't Samucuenca a dane as well? Because it was the "danes are cold calculating mice" post that made me post this. Becaus I thought this was getting somewhat out of hand.. The rest was a general comment about language and civility. I don't see how I massively overreacted just because I have a critical opinion about something that I articulated as a general point.
 
Logic-is-your-friend

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Peyroteo94 said:
The final climb is his kryptonite. Too steep and very short and he can't recover after being left behind in the bottom of the climb. He has very problems with positioning himself.
But João is very unreliable. He is always there but we never know where he will give an incredible performance or a bad performance. Volta a Valenciana is a perfect example of that.
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I have seen him do short steep climbs very well on more than one occasion. He is quite capable of positioning himself well enough when he wants to. On longer climbs it is simply not worth his trouble, because he is used to pacing himself for most of the climb, ignoring tempo changes, until he knows the time is there for him to put all that saved energy towards his final acceleration. Him needing a long climb to fight back is simply a misconception. He is quite punchy and his jojo-ing on longer climbs is not due to a lack of ability, but a very well thought through tactic of his.

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When in his career is Van Wilder going to make a step forward
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He's been below par on numerous occasions (last year he was good in Romandie and UAE but disappointing the rest of the season) but i would not take this result of an indication either way. He's historically not thrived in cold and wet. And on top of that, in his interview he also indicated that the entire situation with the neutralisation was unclear and poorly communicated, which made the timing of the last thing he ate unfortunate, resulting in him running on empty the final part of the climb. Let's see how it goes tomorrow and on the last day of PN.
 
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Eddy Evenepoel

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Seems like we almost got a real elite group getting away with Matthews, Schmid, Barguil, Abrahamsen, Skaarseth, Tarling, Armirail, Turgis, Riesebeek & Flynn. That would've been an interesting group, both because there is insane amount of horsepower so the peloton would've struggled to keep them within range and because it would've been an interesting group to fight for a potential stage win with a lot of potential winners.

Now we rather get a weaker 4 man break.
 
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Sciatic said:
In addition to the teams, the riders themselves have a certain degree of responsibility here too. Since there was no specific restart time it would make sense to stay close to the front of the stoppage point, even if folks needed to go back to cars to get warmer clothes and food. It's like getting to the airport and despite the plane already being there, something needed fixing and the airline posted that there is a 3-hour delay. One could go to a distant airport restaurant order a big meal, have several beers, and saunter back to the gate in 2 hrs. I almost missed a flight once because they ended up fixing the problem much more quickly than anticipated so instead of a 3-yr delay they were boarding folks just 45 minutes after the original departure time. When there is a delay--in sport, in life, where ever--the length of a delay is always an estimate. Riders who didn't want to get left behind or scrambling madly when the race restarted needed to be somewhat cognizant of that.
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Wow! seriously this was life wisdom for this autistic noob. I had never realized this! I always just assumed that delays can be prolonged but never realized that they could also be shortened.

I wonder if the riders are as noob as me. It wouldn't surprise me. A lot of them seems odd or stupid enough :grin:

Thank you this was really helpful! :smileycat:
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
Seems like we almost got a real elite group getting away with Matthews, Schmid, Barguil, Abrahamsen, Skaarseth, Tarling, Armirail, Turgis, Riesebeek & Flynn. That would've been an interesting group, both because there is insane amount of horsepower so the peloton would've struggled to keep them within range and because it would've been an interesting group to fight for a potential stage win with a lot of potential winners.

Now we rather get a weaker 4 man break.
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Tudor will control until the hills start and then Ala will attack.
 
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Vingegaard crashed, but seems to look okay

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