Paris-Roubaix 2023, one day monument, April 9 (men's)

[proffate]

Nah.

If you said Sagan…

Him too. But it's harder to win flat monuments when the world is against you (he didn't have a convenient foil like wva). If you can lead the tdf into the third week and also win fleche 3x you have no excuse not to take out liege multiple times.

Alaphillipe spent his early career plagued by impatience and poor judgement and the last couple years by injury and crashes. The number of times he's shown up to a race with the best legs and gone home empty handed is unrivaled. Look at his one Flanders result. He's very creative in finding rakes to step on.

 

[movingtarget]

If WVA was that strong he wouldn't have been looking around for help in the final 12 kms. He knew Phillipsen wouldn't ride with him and the others could barely contribute. The gap went from 18 seconds to 35 then VDP knew he had it won and backed off a little. I thought it was obvious who was the strongest.

 

[tobydawq]

...and a completely avoidable and stupid accident.

Wout van Aert after keeping everything under control throughout decides to attack when there's a crash, and for anybody who wanted to question the morals of it, he got instant karma. And then the guy that helped cause the accident gets to go solo because of that puncture.

I think they should both be DQed for cowardice for riding off the cobbles on sector 3 though. You shouldn't be able to win Roubaix unless you rode all of the cobbled sectors.

Lol, are seriously suggesting it's unfair to attack on the Carrefour de l'Arbre? Where else was he supposed to attack?

 

[tobydawq]

I've never, in this situation, seen a solo rider be brought back in Roubaix

Vanmarcke?

 

[fbjim]

well "Moscon" got "bought back" in a sense

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

If WVA was that strong he wouldn't have been looking around for help in the final 12 kms. He knew Phillipsen wouldn't ride with him and the others could barely contribute. The gap went from 18 seconds to 35 then VDP knew he had it won and backed off a little. I thought it was obvious who was the strongest.

Of course he would. First time watching races, I see. Why would he try to catch without help? So he could get half way there, and faulter, because he'd killed himself after 200km of racing.

Wout fans like me, only have "would have or could have's" because MVDP won. But stupid takes like this tell me everything I need to know about MVDP fans.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

...and a completely avoidable and stupid accident.

Wout van Aert after keeping everything under control throughout decides to attack when there's a crash, and for anybody who wanted to question the morals of it, he got instant karma. And then the guy that helped cause the accident gets to go solo because of that puncture.

I think they should both be DQed for cowardice for riding off the cobbles on sector 3 though. You shouldn't be able to win Roubaix unless you rode all of the cobbled sectors.

Generally, you are an excellent contributor...but this is an absolutely dumb take.

 

[Red Rick]

Generally, you are an excellent contributor...but this is an absolutely dumb take.

Van Aert is guilty of being Sepp Kuss' teammate clearly

I've never seen anyone argue for waiting after crashes in the final of Paris Roubaix.

 

[fbjim]

this is not a rider getting brought down at 180k out in a stage race. of course you can attack in Paris-Roubaix


that GOAT edition in 2016 happened in part because of a field split from a crash that Quick-Step pushed! when the race is on, the race is on!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Of course he would. First time watching races, I see. Why would he try to catch without help? So he could get half way there, and faulter, because he'd killed himself after 200km of racing.

Wout fans like me, only have "would have or could have's" because MVDP won. But stupid takes like this tell me everything I need to know about MVDP fans.

And suggesting WVA was super strong because he was attacking (and got a gap) with a flat tyre, it is not a stupid take? Specially because there is no evidence he had a flat before his attack.

 

[Brullnux]

Also I'm not convinced the fact there was a crash massively affected Van Aert's decision to attack. 1km left on the Carrefour is a pretty standard spot, and he probably noticed a disturbance behind/beside him with riders slowing down (as happens all the time at Roubaix) rather than people actually falling. Either way, nothing wrong with what he did (a obviously nothing intentional from Philipsen/VdP)

 

[tobydawq]

this is not a rider getting brought down at 180k out in a stage race. of course you can attack in Paris-Roubaix


that GOAT edition in 2016 happened in part because of a field split from a crash that Quick-Step pushed! when the race is on, the race is on!

Yes, but that time Sagan was the one who was unlucky, so of course LS would laud that move.

 

[Brullnux]

And suggesting WVA was super strong because he was attacking (and got a gap) with a flat tyre, it is not a stupid take? Specially because there is no evidence he had a flat before his attack.

Better evidence that he was strong is probably the fact VdP never gapped him at any point in the race. Likelihood is they would've entered the velodrome together, it didn't look like there was much/anything to separate them for the first 240km of the race

 

[Didinho]

And suggesting WVA was super strong because he was attacking (and got a gap) with a flat tyre, it is not a stupid take? Specially because there is no evidence he had a flat before his attack.

With a flat you can't take the corner like that. 20-30m after the turn you could see his backwheel slip for the first time. Mathieu was already closer there.

 

[movingtarget]

Of course he would. First time watching races, I see. Why would he try to catch without help? So he could get half way there, and faulter, because he'd killed himself after 200km of racing.

Wout fans like me, only have "would have or could have's" because MVDP won. But stupid takes like this tell me everything I need to know about MVDP fans.

Obviously an intellectual. I'm not an MVDP fan but I guess you know best. My tip for the race was Kung.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

And suggesting WVA was super strong because he was attacking (and got a gap) with a flat tyre, it is not a stupid take? Specially because there is no evidence he had a flat before his attack.

Sure there is, watch him come around the corner, and what is happening with his rear end (MVDP had not caught by that point), as soon as MVDP gets there, Wout radios. He clearly had a puncture at a minimum, before the corner, and definitely in the corner. What's dumb is suggesting he wasn't strong enough to win. Thats full-on moronic.

 

[Rob5091]

Congrats to MvdP and his team for out numbering Jumbo when it mattered. Although we did lose out on a more interesting finish when WvA got a flat.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Better evidence that he was strong is probably the fact VdP never gapped him at any point in the race. Likelihood is they would've entered the velodrome together, it didn't look like there was much/anything to separate them for the first 240km of the race

And I agree with you. They would stay together until the velodrome unless Alpecin wanted to play the "numbers strategy"

 

[Boehmand]

he wasnt even close to bring him down MVDP only increased the gap like what ?

He increased the gap because WvA had a flat.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sure there is, watch him come around the corner, and what is happening with his rear end (MVDP had not caught by that point), as soon as MVDP gets there, Wout radios. He clearly had a puncture at a minimum, before the corner, and definitely in the corner. What's dumb is suggesting he wasn't strong enough to win. Thats full-on moronic.

Who said he wasn't able to win?

 

[jaylew]

Likelihood is they would've entered the velodrome together, it didn't look like there was much/anything to separate them for the first 240km of the race

VdP probably should have sat on in that situation with Philipsen just behind, but he likely wouldn't have judging by the boneheaded way he'd ridden up to that point.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Generally, you are an excellent contributor...but this is an absolutely dumb take.

It is indeed, and after watching the replays I made other takes and changed my stance. But a live thread on a race like this was moving too fast for it to be worth editing the existing post in the flow of conversation.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

With a flat you can't take the corner like that. 20-30m after the turn you could see his backwheel slip for the first time. Mathieu was already closer there.

Maybe, maybe not. A tire that is going down, can still allow you to go around that corner that quickly...because it wasn't at blazing speed.

It's just stupid to suggest he wouldn't have been able to hold MVDP's wheel. Nothing in the race suggested that. Nothing.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

It is indeed, and after watching the replays I made other takes and changed my stance. But a live thread on a race like this was moving too fast for it to be worth editing the existing post in the flow of conversation.

Fair enough.

 

[Gratemans]

Maybe, maybe not. A tire that is going down, can still allow you to go around that corner that quickly...because it wasn't at blazing speed.

It's just stupid to suggest he wouldn't have been able to hold MVDP's wheel. Nothing in the race suggested that. Nothing.

Generalizing fans of a certain rider is stupid as well. I actually agree with most of what you're saying here but you might wanna chill a bit.