Paris-Roubaix 2025, one day monument, April 13 (men)

[scribers]

Oh my gosh! Good thing there was another group coming up behind him so he didn’t end up back at the start!

I saw this scene in Dumb and Dumber

And the one time I had some really strong mary jane and thought I could drive.

Hope the guy is OK. Obvious concussion item.

 

[search]

Looks like roughly 50-60 riders DNF'd, including some significant names like Mohoric, Kristoff, Swift, etc. Would be interesting to know what all the stories were.

have we had this one yet? Silvan Dillier was taken out (badly) by a Visma mechanic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911834567129919812

View: https://x.com/LeGruppetto/status/1911834567129919812

 

[topcat]

In the UK at least, there's no such thing as 'attempted manslaughter'. That's just a type of assault. There was no physical harm here, really, so what degree of assault then depends on the intent of the defendant.

I don't know French law but in England this would likely just be a battery charge, unless you can somehow prove that the guy who threw it definitely intended to cause actual or grevious bodily harm to Van der Poel, which I doubt. I imagine France is similar in that to be charged with 'attempting' you need to show intent, not just recklessness, as it isn't a 'completed' crime.

Of course. Nobody (except maybe MvdP) thinks the spectator was trying to kill MvdP or that his action could have. But the MvdP comment is so funny, that it has to be milked for all it's worth.

 

[scribers]

Wow. Gotta be on alert if you're on the course. Maybe could have gotten a little more off the road with the car and have to look before entering lanes. Rough.

 

[Sciatic]

have we had this one yet? Silvan Dillier was taken out (badly) by a Visma mechanic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911834567129919812

View: https://x.com/LeGruppetto/status/1911834567129919812

Oh that is such a bummer way to get taken down. And I would think that when they know there are riders coming up behind the team cars would make sure to not take up the entire roadway? But obviously they just focused on their own riders.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

have we had this one yet? Silvan Dillier was taken out (badly) by a Visma mechanic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911834567129919812

View: https://x.com/LeGruppetto/status/1911834567129919812

But was he an actual Visma mechanic or just another drunk Mohorič fan?

I backed Dillier in the pre race poll so of course get was gonna be struck by bad luck.

 

[Brullnux]

have we had this one yet? Silvan Dillier was taken out (badly) by a Visma mechanic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911834567129919812

View: https://x.com/LeGruppetto/status/1911834567129919812

So Visma staff declared all out war on Alpecin yesterday?

 

[topcat]

Sure. But the bottle is traveling perpendicular to the motion of the impacted item. So the bottle is traveling at net zero or suspended

If the full bottle hits him in the head it would cause him to move diagonally (at least slightly) instead of straight ahead. It could have caused him to crash. But he skillfully ducked the bottle and the bottle did not get caught in his chain or spokes so he was not harmed.
(The dot product of the two forces is zero. Their sum is not.)

 

[scribers]

If the full bottle hits him in the head it would cause him to move diagonally (at least slightly) instead of straight ahead. It could have caused him to crash. But he skillfully ducked the bottle and the bottle did not get caught in his chain or spokes so he was not harmed.
(The dot product of the two forces is zero. Their sum is not.)

As soon as math enters the picture, I am out!

 

[Cookster15]

Of course. Nobody (except maybe MvdP) thinks the spectator was trying to kill MvdP or that his action could have. But the MvdP comment is so funny, that it has to be milked for all it's worth.

Definition of assault:

an assault is the act of causing physical harm or unwanted physical contact to another person, or, in some legal definitions, the threat or attempt to do so. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in criminal prosecution, civil liability, or both

Intentional unwanted physical contact. The only question is if the person intended to cause unwanted physical contact. Maybe he didn't. In Australia and I assume the UK throwing a water bottle into the face of a competing rider would fall under criminal negligence if not assault.

But what I don't get is why this guy isn't being put before the courts so this can be tested? It doesn't matter if French police don't care. Everyone saw it.

 

[RedheadDane]

As soon as math enters the picture, I am out!

I was never even in!

 

[hayneplane]

Hmm, Actually it looked like entering the corner MVDP had already taken a more inside line (as he usually does compared to other riders. Amazing that the person who filmed it happens to be at that exact spot and caught the whole sequence.

Still looks like he was as little as 3 inches away from disaster as well. Could have been really chaotic if both had gone down on a tight corner with team cars trying to get to their man to assist.

 

[scribers]

Definition of assault:

Intentional unwanted physical contact. The only question is if the person intended to cause unwanted physical contact. Maybe he didn't. In Australia and I assume the UK throwing a water bottle into the face of a competing rider would fall under criminal negligence if not assault.

But what I don't get is why this guy isn't being put before the courts so this can be tested? It doesn't matter if French police don't care. Everyone saw it.

I think it's a good idea to go ahead and prosecute, and get something to stick. Clearly the hooligans are not getting the appropriate message with the way things have been handled to date.

 

[Sciatic]

Still looks like he was as little as 3 inches away from disaster as well. Could have been really chaotic if both had gone down on a tight corner with team cars trying to get to their man to assist.

But MVDP often uses the all the available space going through corners and I think finds it normal to go off onto the grass or dirt to complete a turn if it helps keep his speed up. I don’t think he was at risk at all unless Pog had gone done right in front of him. I mean, 3 inches is plenty of room to spare for a cross rider, particularly one with VDP’s skills.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

have we had this one yet? Silvan Dillier was taken out (badly) by a Visma mechanic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911834567129919812

View: https://x.com/LeGruppetto/status/1911834567129919812

In the heat of the race, the mech's brain collapsed......

 

[hayneplane]

But MVDP often uses the all the available space going through corners and I think finds it normal to go off onto the grass or dirt to complete a turn if it helps keep his speed up. I don’t think he was at risk at all unless Pog had gone done right in front of him. I mean, 3 inches is plenty of room to spare for a cross rider, particularly one with VDP’s skills.

It’s definitely true that his familiarity with riding on grass and uneven surfaces made it possible for him to navigate confidently in such situations. That said a hidden stone could have caused enough deviation to cause a dismount.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Kristoff hit his head in a crash, climbed up on his bike and rode the wrong direction until he met the next group and realized he probably should ride the same way as the others. He abandoned quickly after, because of the risk of a concussion.

Abdel-Kader Zaaf did the same in the Tour 1950.

 

[Oldman]

Rewatched the Pogi crash a couple of times and to me it’s so clear it was a mistake. He arrogantly attacked directly before and MvdP knew of the turn coming up so he backed off the pedals a bit and let Pogi come in HOT. This is yet another example of MvdP being the superior racer as well, let the other guy attack into a tricky turn and calmly take the inside and launch.

Anyone that claims that was unlucky doesn’t assume responsibility. He didn’t practice it enough. He didn’t CX enough. I’ll give you he was unlucky to be born without Mathieu’s otherworldly hand eye coordination though. You can’t assume responsibility (mistake) and not assume it (unlucky) at the same time.

CX skills triumph over most skills in PR. The characterization of Pogacar "arrogantly attacked" is bulls*t, though. MvP left the door open and allowed that less than informed move. Nothing more. Mathieu also ended up in the grass so the outcome wasn't totally what he expected either.

 

[Sciatic]

It’s definitely true that his familiarity with riding on grass and uneven surfaces made it possible for him to navigate confidently in such situations. That said a hidden stone could have caused enough deviation to cause a dismount.

For sure, “stuff” happens to everyone, and someone still needs good fortune. For instance, it was fortunate that when he did flat, MVDP already had a significant gap and his team car car could be right behind him,

 

[DaLong]

CX skills triumph over most skills in PR. The characterization of Pogacar "arrogantly attacked" is bulls*t, though. MvP left the door open and allowed that less than informed move. Nothing more. Mathieu also ended up in the grass so the outcome wasn't totally what he expected either.

I think he overestimated how well he knew the course and/or he thought he could handle that corner at that speed. Just my opinion.

Arrogance
adjective

1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think he overestimated how well he knew the course and/or he thought he could handle that corner at that speed. Just my opinion.

Arrogance
adjective

1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

I somewhat doubt that he thought he could turn the corner at twice the possible speed

 

[scribers]

I think he overestimated how well he knew the course and/or he thought he could handle that corner at that speed. Just my opinion.

Arrogance
adjective

1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

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[Oldman]

I think he overestimated how well he knew the course and/or he thought he could handle that corner at that speed. Just my opinion.

Arrogance
adjective

1. having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

Wasted recovery on a dis of a superior talent, dude.
Things happen in milliseconds in almost any race and PR adds the element of brutal fatigue to all responses. I appreciate your opinion on what a normal person might do but we're talking Tadej Pogacar and MVP who both ended up in the same patch of grass.
One had to extract himself from his bike; the other was free to throw down his strongest effort. It doesn't mean if that hadn't happened that MvP wouldn't have won; in my opinion Tadej knew he had to work to keep working to grow the gap from the field and that Mathieu would outsprint him. He, and every other rider keeps riding that suffer fest of a race because the same unfortunate fate could happen to his opponent. Mathieu won the previous edition when Wout had a similar problem.
Not much hubris or ego going on in the last 40km of that race. You either have it, and some luck or you don't. That Pogacar had that kind of race and finished 2nd in a debut says it all. That MvP won MSR and PR against him says it all as well. It was great.

 

[jmdirt]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/1RTBEiBe8l0?si=fBHtD5zO_QA4EB2G

 

[dazaau]

So according to Velo MVDP had an illegal feed in the last 20kms, and was fined.

What is the point of these rules when they are just transactional? Same with pogs likely illegal feed.

Both probably changed the outcome of the race, so why do they not allow them, but also make the penalty so small it is 100% worth it to break the rules and pay the fine.