I did not picture Wout winning before the race. Absolutely delighted for him. It’s hard to believe it’s only his 2nd Monument, but he’s absolutely a rider who deserves to be in the multiple club.
Lots of opinions about who is strongest, who suffered the most time-losing situations, etc. It still takes an unusually strong and focused rider to win. And a sh*tload of luck. That goes for MvP who was just on the backside of that perfect day, again. Kudos to Wout and his team.Well done WVA, great to see him win after all his troubles the past few seasons. He needed and deserved to add another big win to his palmares, just a pity it wasn't a three way dust-up with MDVP, he rode brilliantly today despite the poor luck. Props to Pogacar as well for animating things as always. Will be difficult for him to win this race if WVA/MDaVP are there in shape, though maybe the chase today dented his strength. As for posters trying to claim WVA was not a worthy winner, what are ye smoking!!
A lot to unpack there. The leading group in most races used to be out there so that their team didn't have to work and/or to help later in the race. Now the leading group is frequently the favorites who expect to win.*We're not seeing many cases of a leading group being caught in the last 10-15 kilometers (at least in the big races). A shame. It used to be one of the characteristics of cycling, and as a viewer, you knew that the suspense would increase towards the end.
Now, the motorbikes keep the speed up and reduce factors like the wind and the drag. It's not that costly to be sitting out in front.
I know some say the motorbikes have always been there, sure - but the races are also different these years. The top 5 riders are much stronger than the second best. They don't need help to be dominating.
It would be great if there was more focus on removing the mentioned external factors. We have great ways of filming the riders nowadays, with drones supplementing the helicopters well. The front view shots from motorbikes are no longer as important to the understanding of the races. I also doubt that the world really needs dozens of still photographers on the road in a race.
In any case, fairness should be prioritised above media access. My suggestion is introducing a 3 second rule as the default minimum distance between motorbikes and riders.
(And yes, I was happy to see Van Aert take the win today instead of the usual suspect, but it doesn't change my view on the tendency.)
That's absolutely not ciclismoThat was not my point. Sport as a competition makes sense if a better sportsman wins. If the logic that rewards a lesser sportsman prevails, sport looses and mediocracy (and show) takes over.
Without Pog WvA never wins today (and this I could not say for VdP's win last year). He should recognise that. Since he hasn't, I assume he believes he deserved it. If this logic prevails, the sport is dead.
"Hey JP, for this one race we want you to change your setup, don't worry you'll be fine."Who even decides to put riders on different pedals in a monument.
...and clearly the loyalty of a good dog as well.It was a heat of the moment thing, but I also sometimes get the feeling that Jasper has the intelligence of a Golden Retriever.
@ unchained
seriously?
I find it pathetic - not the dedication bit but self-contentment that it was a win OVER a world champion. He literally carried him over the finish line
“..I did stop believing a lot of times, but the next day I always woke up and fought for it again…honestly, there’s no more beautiful way than going to the line with the world champion… beating him in the sprint mano a mano is something really special for me…there were so many times where I was on the limit to stay on his wheel…” (maybe not word for word, but close)@ unchained
seriously?
I find it pathetic - not the dedication bit but self-contentment that it was a win OVER a world champion. He literally carried him over the finish line
If Wouts win bothered people today, they are either Pogacar fanboys or else cycling is the wrong sport for them. Never has cycling been about the strongest always winning, tactics and playing the game will always be part of the sport.@ unchained
seriously?
I find it pathetic - not the dedication bit but self-contentment that it was a win OVER a world champion. He literally carried him over the finish line
In all my years of wasting time on the cycling internet, I'm not sure I've ever read a comment as wrong as this one. It is wrong on every single level apart from the fact that it does appear to be English.That was not my point. Sport as a competition makes sense if a better sportsman wins. If the logic that rewards a lesser sportsman prevails, sport looses and mediocracy (and show) takes over.
Without Pog WvA never wins today (and this I could not say for VdP's win last year). He should recognise that. Since he hasn't, I assume he believes he deserved it. If this logic prevails, the sport is dead.
In all my years of wasting time on the cycling internet, I'm not sure I've ever read a comment as wrong as this one. It is wrong on every single level apart from the fact that it does appear to be English.
I'ma pack this post into my electrolyte bottle. It's plenty salty.@ unchained
seriously?
I find it pathetic - not the dedication bit but self-contentment that it was a win OVER a world champion. He literally carried him over the finish line
What a beautiful post!View: https://x.com/AnthonyBa5/status/2043392003883274729
Gotta spam some cheering images for Wout as they're quite incredible!
View: https://x.com/RuitemDias/status/2043391698642903475
View: https://x.com/AceroCaballito/status/2043337087198388674
View: https://x.com/parisroubaix/status/2043369516436976008
View: https://x.com/JDenaeghel/status/2043344003702177950
We obviously disagree on racing,@ unchained
seriously?
I find it pathetic - not the dedication bit but self-contentment that it was a win OVER a world champion. He literally carried him over the finish line
That is the case sometimes, which is when I just switch to just watching rather than reading/ commenting.It was a great race in the end even though I wasn't a fan of all the randomness. Having that opinion definitely isn't the reason I have a problem with half the forum, it's quite easy to see what is if you're willing.
As it was said Pogacar looked gassed with 50 km to go.
If MVDP didn't have a flat he would have destroyed him by minutes.
That was not my point. Sport as a competition makes sense if a better sportsman wins. If the logic that rewards a lesser sportsman prevails, sport looses and mediocracy (and show) takes over.
Without Pog WvA never wins today (and this I could not say for VdP's win last year). He should recognise that. Since he hasn't, I assume he believes he deserved it. If this logic prevails, the sport is dead.
Some surprising takes on here. A guy wins the fastest P-R in history, has multiple mechanicals, looks strong AF, never falters, launches multiple attacks, plays it perfectly, and wins without any indication that he was at his limit, and this is what some have to say? Wout has had some monstrous performances, from C-E to Mont Ventoux to Montmartre to today. When he is at his best, he is as good as anyone. That’s it. He is better than Pogacar at this type of race, at least today. And I see no evidence that MVDP would have done anything other than ridden with them had he not made some dumb decisions after a mechanical.@ unchained
seriously?
I find it pathetic - not the dedication bit but self-contentment that it was a win OVER a world champion. He literally carried him over the finish line
