Paris-Roubaix Femmes 2023, one day monument, April 8 (women's)

[RedheadDane]

They've told me that they just want to torture you.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

That's of course also why they've decided to give the cobbled secteurs numbers

 

[Lequack]

Cobbles mostly dry, puddles at the side.

 

[Netserk]

It's quite unfortunate that it runs at the same time as the queen stage of Itzulia, the latter could easily have been held at least an hour earlier ...

So... what's ASO's excuse for not providing full-race coverage?

The same as for every other race? It isn't free to provide.

 

[Lequack]

It's sunny now.

 

[RedheadDane]

The same as for every other race? It isn't free to provide.

Of course... the men's race, every single TdF stage = no problem...
Women's P-R = now that's too expensive!

 

[Lequack]

I wish they didn't cover the flat TDF stages in full at all, it's a waste of air time.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Normally this should be a battle between SD Worx and Trek, although a few big names are missing in both selections. Kopecky or Longo Borghini can finish solo. Wiebes and Balsamo can be kept for a sprint with a small group. Other candidates are Bastianelli, Brown, Vos, Cant, Backstedt an Mackaij.

 

[RedheadDane]

I wish they didn't cover the flat TDF stages in full at all, it's a waste of air time.

Yeah... while I would of course prefer to just have full-race coverage of everything, if a choice has to be made, I think it should be pretty obvious where the priority should lie.

 

[Netserk]

Of course... the men's race, every single TdF stage = no problem...
Women's P-R = now that's too expensive!

How many editions of those races went without full coverage? You are acting as if it was the default, but it's not. Most things are rolled out gradually, if anything Roubaix Femmes has been done so rapidly.

 

[RedheadDane]

How many editions of those races went without full coverage? You are acting as if it was the default, but it's not. Most things are rolled out gradually, if anything Roubaix Femmes has been done so rapidly.

There used to be a time when full-stage coverage just wasn't possible.
Come on, wouldn't you much rather than ASO saved some money by not showing every TdF stage in full, so they could instead show P-R (femmes)?

 

[Netserk]

There used to be a time when full-stage coverage just wasn't possible.

It was. By whatever means the race has been covered, it was always possible to do so from start to finish.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Of course... the men's race, every single TdF stage = no problem...
Women's P-R = now that's too expensive!

Accuse me of speaking from a position of male priveilege if you want to, but I don't believe that there is any inherent disrespect towards the women in this: advertisers see lower viewership numbers, so they are less interested in buying airtime, so broadcasters are less financially confident about filling their schedule with it, so rights holders don't spent money on a product they are not sure they can sell.

Maybe that is an error on the part of the viewer research predictions, maybe it is in the confidence of broadcasters in the product, maybe it is in the viewers who don't recognise the interest in the women's races so don't watch as much as they do the men

But I am pretty sure that if they thought they would make more profit from broadcasting the early stages of this than from whatever they are showing instead, the broadcasters would create a demand that ASO would be happy to supply. Whether it is the beginning of Women's Paris Roubaix or the first few dozen km of men's Itzulia.

 

[RedheadDane]

It was. By whatever means the race has been covered, it was always possible to do so from start to finish.

I'm obviously talking tv coverage here. It's also possible to go to PCS and check their live updates.

 

[Netserk]

And it looks quite bad to reduce coverage, so it's better to be a bit cautious as for how quick you expand coverage.

And it is already now covered from the first pavé. That is a lot of coverage, and reason to be grateful rather than resentful.

 

[Netserk]

I'm obviously talking tv coverage here. It's also possible to go to PCS and check their live updates.

When tv coverage was possible in part, how was it not possible in full?

 

[RedheadDane]

And it is already now covered from the first pavé. That is a lot of coverage, and reason to be grateful rather than resentful.

Well, hopefully ASO will realise that it's not necesseary we should wait as long for full-race (tv) coverage as "we" did for other races.

 

[Lequack]

Live presentation stream

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OdJrzZeoRnJX

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644643748192882690

View: https://twitter.com/RoubaixFemmes/status/1644643748192882690

 

[awavey]

Of course... the men's race, every single TdF stage = no problem...
Women's P-R = now that's too expensive!

yeh but they find people to pay the bills for those, so it is what it is as they say

one of these days theyll come up with the clever notion that maybe some people would actually pay them to watch it, rather than them rely on broadcasters to want to show it.

 

[awavey]

Accuse me of speaking from a position of male priveilege if you want to, but I don't believe that there is any inherent disrespect towards the women in this: advertisers see lower viewership numbers, so they are less interested in buying airtime, so broadcasters are less financially confident about filling their schedule with it, so rights holders don't spent money on a product they are not sure they can sell.

Maybe that is an error on the part of the viewer research predictions, maybe it is in the confidence of broadcasters in the product, maybe it is in the viewers who don't recognise the interest in the women's races so don't watch as much as they do the men

But I am pretty sure that if they thought they would make more profit from broadcasting the early stages of this than from whatever they are showing instead, the broadcasters would create a demand that ASO would be happy to supply. Whether it is the beginning of Women's Paris Roubaix or the first few dozen km of men's Itzulia.

the thing is what are Eurosport showing right now, highlights of a snooker match played a year ago, highlights of motorbikes from a year ago, are there really high viewer numbers for that ? then weve got highlights of the Basque country tour,followed by highlights of last years Paris Roubaix Femme (I mean seriously they are showing highlights of last years race in preference to showing actual live coverage of this years race!?!?) then theyve got 5hrs of live coverage of motorbikes, and finally we get the live coverage we want to watch at 2pm, which will no doubt spend 20odd mins on build up and vox pop interviews again.

I cant see how in that schedule Eurosport are protecting their viewership numbers/and or ad revenue/ sponsors, if anything it drives eyeballs away from the eventual live coverage because people arent going to sit around watching repeats, theyll find another channel showing something else thats live to watch.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

the thing is what are Eurosport showing right now, highlights of a snooker match played a year ago, highlights of motorbikes from a year ago, are there really high viewer numbers for that ? then weve got highlights of the Basque country tour,followed by highlights of last years Paris Roubaix Femme (I mean seriously they are showing highlights of last years race in preference to showing actual live coverage of this years race!?!?) then theyve got 5hrs of live coverage of motorbikes, and finally we get the live coverage we want to watch at 2pm, which will no doubt spend 20odd mins on build up and vox pop interviews again.

I cant see how in that schedule Eurosport are protecting their viewership numbers/and or ad revenue/ sponsors, if anything it drives eyeballs away from the eventual live coverage because people arent going to sit around watching repeats, theyll find another channel showing something else thats live to watch.

Is Eurosport actually responsible for the broadcast? I‘d assume a French broadcaster would be making the live pictures for Paris-Roubaix and Eurosport is only showing what they get from the host broadcaster.

 

[RedheadDane]

Is Eurosport actually responsible for the broadcast? I‘d assume a French broadcaster would be making the live pictures for Paris-Roubaix and Eurosport is only showing what they get from the host broadcaster.

It's ASO that makes the images.

 

[awavey]

Even in Ronde she burnt her team-mates Wiebes and Reusser by riding too hard in the break of four, instead of using the numbers against Persico - Lucky she was stronger than Persico - Then in Strade she attacked from the peleton when Vollering was chasing Faulkner and was lucky that Ludwig couldn't quite get on her wheel and of course we know what happened at the finish.

she's signed till 2024 though,as is Demi Vollering, I know that doesnt guarantee anything, but whatever tensions and issues SD Worx are creating with their riders and strategies, theyve got to work it out for themselves.

 

[Netserk]

the thing is what are Eurosport showing right now, highlights of a snooker match played a year ago, highlights of motorbikes from a year ago, are there really high viewer numbers for that ? then weve got highlights of the Basque country tour,followed by highlights of last years Paris Roubaix Femme (I mean seriously they are showing highlights of last years race in preference to showing actual live coverage of this years race!?!?) then theyve got 5hrs of live coverage of motorbikes, and finally we get the live coverage we want to watch at 2pm, which will no doubt spend 20odd mins on build up and vox pop interviews again.

I cant see how in that schedule Eurosport are protecting their viewership numbers/and or ad revenue/ sponsors, if anything it drives eyeballs away from the eventual live coverage because people arent going to sit around watching repeats, theyll find another channel showing something else thats live to watch.

It's a matter of price. ASO is not going to offer additional coverage for free or cheap.

 

[awavey]

It's ASO that makes the images.

its chicken and egg though, the ASO arent making the images available, because the broadcasters arent willing to pay and demanding they want it, if there were broadcasters going here take our money because we really want to show this instead of heading into our archives of hours of cheap replay filler, the ASO would go kerching, sure here you go then.

so how hard are the broadcasters asking for it ? how much are they prepared to pay ? when as I say, hours of replay filler is cheap tv isnt it, and they still get to claim theyre showing the race live later on so providing the coverage, just not the level of coverage we as fans would like to see..