Patrick Jonker on LA.......?

[Race Radio]

Not from what I am hearing.

No one who is close to the professional sport seems to think so, either.

Wither, ye olde memories of big Georgie, churning along to 2nd through 5th in another P-R. Wither, yon visions of Hincapie's varicosied legs, plumbing that has seen the effects thousands of km's with an extra 500ml of packed rbc's.

Mr. GH will be quite honest and forthright in his remarks, I believe, from what has been passed to me.

What do your close contacts with the European scene tell you? What's that? You have none? Then, what could you be basing your speculation upon.

I am not so sure about George. I have heard he is going to lie.

 

[Benotti69]

I am not so sure about George. I have heard he is going to lie.

probably depends on what he feels which direction is the less painful.

If Hincapie sticks to LA he may regret it in the long run. The truth always outs in the end.

 

[FrankDrack]

I am not so sure about George. I have heard he is going to lie.

If I had the potential weight of the U. S. justice system glaring down at me I would quickly look for an alternative other than lying.

 

[craig1985]

If Hincapie tells the truth, he will lose his friendship with Lance, but aside from that, how will that impact his business ventures? I guess that is what he is taking into consideration.

 

[powerste]

The Oracle Has Spoken on Hincapie

Who knows what testimony they will come up with from the defence angle, but you can bet they will have plenty of witnesses who will testify that there was no systematic doping at USPS. Hincape for one will be one of them and I'm betting that there will be more witnesses for the defence than for the prosecution in this regard.

Then, what could you be basing your speculation upon.

I am not so sure about George. I have heard he is going to lie.

George has LA's back. "There's no 'i' in saddle snitch, you know. Stitch."

 

[SpartacusRox]

Speculation is exactly it! based on? Fanboyism

Of course it is speculation. 99.9% of everything posted on here is speculation. I do try and be reasonably objective in my comments, but they are based on the limited information that we all have. Of course that doesn't mean I am right anymore than those that flame me for them are right. Only time will tell. Your main contribution to most arguments are personal attacks, but hey whatever turns your wheels, means nothing to me. Actually in answer to Colm I do have contacts in the pro scene but they are just watching events with a bit of detachment.

Fanboy? I don't consider myself one actually but if it makes you feel like one of the 'boys' to use the term derisively, then go for it.

 

[SpartacusRox]

I am not so sure about George. I have heard he is going to lie.

Sorry I have to smile at the strawman you set up here.

If George testifies against Lance he is telling the truth. If he says something that goes against what you want to hear, then he is is by default, lying. You would have had a great career in the Inquisition if you were born a few centuries ago!

Nice work Race

 

[pmcg76]

Of course it is speculation. 99.9% of everything posted on here is speculation. I do try and be reasonably objective in my comments, but they are based on the limited information that we all have. Of course that doesn't mean I am right anymore than those that flame me for them are right. Only time will tell. Your main contribution to most arguments are personal attacks, but hey whatever turns your wheels, means nothing to me. Actually in answer to Colm I do have contacts in the pro scene but they are just watching events with a bit of detachment.

Fanboy? I don't consider myself one actually but if it makes you feel like one of the 'boys' to use the term derisively, then go for it.

Well since this forum has started, a lot of things that have been posted about Lance have proven to be correct.

Lets see:

The haters predicted that the testing programme that Lance was to undertake on his return from retirement was pure PR & BS. Verdict: Correct

It was predicted that Lance would try and screw Alberto Contador over at the Tour last year as far back as March 09(forum starts): Verdict: Correct

It was predicted that Lance would try and avoid Contador at all costs before the Tour this year: Correct(he tried but it didnt work)

It was predicted that in the event of Lance failing at the Tour this year, he would try to pull some sort of stunt to keep himself in the spotlight: Correct

Long before it ever happened, some people predicted Floyd Landis blowing the lid on what went on at US Postal: Correct and even I was skeptical on that

I remember a lot of the pro or so called non Lance fans losing the plot at the haters for even daring to suggest these things yet they all came true. In fact, I would say the haters have been right more often than they have been wrong.

 

[Race Radio]

Sorry I have to smile at the strawman you set up here.

If George testifies against Lance he is telling the truth. If he says something that goes against what you want to hear, then he is is by default, lying. You would have had a great career in the Inquisition if you were born a few centuries ago!

Nice work Race

Nice try, but as usual you are wrong.

I know some of George's former teammates. They have talked about the pressure to dope, the injections, etc. If George uses the "I do not recall" defense he will be lying. Pretty simple.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Well since this forum has started, a lot of things that have been posted about Lance have proven to be correct.

Lets see:

The haters predicted that the testing programme that Lance was to undertake on his return from retirement was pure PR & BS. Verdict: Correct

It was predicted that Lance would try and screw Alberto Contador over at the Tour last year as far back as March 09(forum starts): Verdict: Correct

It was predicted that Lance would try and avoid Contador at all costs before the Tour this year: Correct(he tried but it didnt work)

It was predicted that in the event of Lance failing at the Tour this year, he would try to pull some sort of stunt to keep himself in the spotlight: Correct

Long before it ever happened, some people predicted Floyd Landis blowing the lid on what went on at US Postal: Correct and even I was skeptical on that

I remember a lot of the pro or so called non Lance fans losing the plot at the haters for even daring to suggest these things yet they all came true. In fact, I would say the haters have been right more often than they have been wrong.

One wrong is one wrong too much.

This testing programm collided with Daamsgard at Astana and later with the biological passport programm. And I saw many haters "colliding" by complaining about that, and at the same time complaining about the internal testing programms (like Catlin does at HTC Columbia), because these teams will nearly never have a "positive", which is not fair compared to teams with no internal doping controls.
The other things were easy to predict and kind of shotgunning.

Predicting and than even sign this stunt-story as "correct" is just ugly and disgusting.
Lance could have had a "stunt" much easier. He had much luck that he didn´t have a more serious injurys from this bad crash.

Many haters predicted that Armstrong wouldn´t even start or finish the Tour.
So that counts with the factor 1000.

 

[powerste]

One wrong is one wrong too much.

This testing programm collided with Daamsgard at Astana and later with the biological passport programm. And I saw many haters "colliding" by complaining about that, and at the same time complaining about the internal testing programms (like Catlin does at HTC Columbia), because these teams will nearly never have a "positive", which is not fair compared to teams with no internal doping controls.

Actually, LA himself said "So we took them down after that because we had put them up all year long in the vein of complete transparency, and to be attacked like that and accused of something is complete nonsense. It's not worth it. The testing we do through the international agencies and domestic agencies is going to have to be enough for the future," he added.

Translation: it's only worth publishing them if no one's going to contest them. Dissenting voices = bad.

The other things were easy to predict and kind of shotgunning.

Says a lot about LA's qualities as a teammate, doesn't it?

Predicting and than even sign this stunt-story as "correct" is just ugly and disgusting.
Lance could have had a "stunt" much easier. He had much luck that he didn´t have a more serious injurys from this bad crash.

I think the (publicity) stunt in question was the "28" jerseys, where they could have sought permission to wear them and instead chose not to, thereby drawing the final day's attention to themselves instead of the 2010 Tour champion.

Many haters predicted that Armstrong wouldn´t even start or finish the Tour.
So that counts with the factor 1000.

7 wins followed by a post-retirement 3rd last year. I don't think him just finishing this year counts for anywhere near +1000

 

[Cobblestoned]

Actually, LA himself said "So we took them down after that because we had put them up all year long in the vein of complete transparency, and to be attacked like that and accused of something is complete nonsense. It's not worth it. The testing we do through the international agencies and domestic agencies is going to have to be enough for the future," he added.

Translation: it's only worth publishing them if no one's going to contest them. Dissenting voices = bad.



Says a lot about LA's qualities as a teammate, doesn't it?



I think the (publicity) stunt in question was the "28" jerseys, where they could have sought permission to wear them and instead chose not to, thereby drawing the final day's attention to themselves instead of the 2010 Tour champion.



7 wins followed by a post-retirement 3rd last year. I don't think him just finishing this year counts for anywhere near +1000

You think a lot, too. So thats a good base.
Alberto, as a person, rival and teammate, is not much better. But you have to see it.
But I don´t mind. With niceness it is hard to make it to the top or maintain there.
Look at the badger. You can even feel the badger, when he is only 10 metres next to you.

 

[Oldman]

I think the (publicity) stunt in question was the "28" jerseys, where they could have sought permission to wear them and instead chose not to, thereby drawing the final day's attention to themselves instead of the 2010 Tour champion.

7 wins followed by a post-retirement 3rd last year. I don't think him just finishing this year counts for anywhere near +1000[/QUOTE]

Plus another-the 28 jersey was another, predicted reason for completing his last Tour ride-marketing products for future paydays. I'm a cynic and that little show demeaned his cause, the race, Alberto and his team all in one vacuous gesture.

 

[fasthill]

Perhaps this article explains Jonker's statement in support of LA. His employer, Fly V team, is seeking a ProTour license at the moment. Singing a praise song to LA surely should play into Fly V hands, no?

 

[Nearly]

Er no - the Shack can't even get into the Vuelta which, whilst not the ProTour, would tend to suggest all things supported by LA are not exactly flavour of the month amongst those with influence in cycling. In fact most would say it could have the opposite effect -- unless of course LA were to help with major sponsorship of a new would be ProTour team ....

Methinks PJ was seeking to support a mate without regard to the consequences.

 

[Realist]

Er no - the Shack can't even get into the Vuelta which, whilst not the ProTour, would tend to suggest all things supported by LA are not exactly flavour of the month amongst those with influence in cycling. In fact most would say it could have the opposite effect -- unless of course LA were to help with major sponsorship of a new would be ProTour team ....

Methinks PJ was seeking to support a mate without regard to the consequences.

The shack is not LA and the Vuelta is not the UCI. Given Pat McQuaid's continued obfuscation I think it is a real possibility that Jonker was encouraged to support LA. You may be right, but I wouldn't totally rule out the other.

 

[Barracuda]

Seeing Pat's an aussie and they do everything a little bit differently - what's the bet the TDU still pay Lance 2mill next year to come to Australia? I bet you they're stupid enough to do so.

Why not ????

Be stupid not too !! They way I see it we as tax payers in the country dont get much bang for our buck ... like an expressway that only goes one way! a multi million dollar tram line extension to a casino ...that country folk dont get benefit from .. etc, etc, etc

Least spewing a coupla mill towards Juan Pelota gets bike riding noticed and the Tour actually visits and spends dollars in our forgotten towns.

Innocent or guilty ?? Either way pay the man, driver, and get on with it..

Bring on the TDU.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bDij_W4hQ

 

[blackcat]

"cleans his toothpaste after he has used the basin"

what a miracle

http://player.video.news.com.au/adelaidenow/#o2tFHxTVooSRT_h7bW8y64yAzC8AY8U4

 

[Freddythefrog]

2 years on and what does the scenery look like now ?

OK So Patrick did not see any doping in his 1 year with Postal. He didn't ride the Tour that year and it is easy to comprehend that he did not get near Lance's inner group.

We now have Thomas Dekker stating that doping was an everyday event at Rabbobank from 1996.

Patrick was with Rabbo from 1997 to 1999
Prior to that he was at Novemail with Peter Post 93 - 94
Once with Manolo Saiz for 95 - 96
and then bigMat 2001 2002.

With 20 - 20 hindsight, Patrick would need the resolve of a saint and one heck of a lot of good fortune to sail through those teams on fruit juice and apple pie.

Aussies - what has been the outcome of of the investigation into past doping practises ? Has Patrick's career been subject to scrutiny ? Were there any conclusions ? He started at Australian Institute of sport with Hieko Salzwedel, on his first job once outside the curtain.

 

[Freddythefrog]

I should have searched a little more before !

Pat telling us all we need to know.


On Lance confessing: ".......The trigger point for Lance to start cheating must have been, in my view, his relationship with Michele Ferrari following his battle with cancer.................

"But only the most bitter cynic would dare propose that all or even many Tour victories were tainted by cheating, in whatever guise.Australians don't have to look far for great examples.

"I can remember Robbie McEwen's victory on the final stage in Paris on the Champs Elysees in 1999 like it was yesterday. It was a magnificent achievement and no-one has ever questioned Robbie's physical integrity.

"Thankfully, times have changed for the better. Drug testing procedures are now so far advanced it is impossible to cheat."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/sport/former...et/story-fngr0c3c-1226557014795#ixzz2PFX19JMn

 

[blackcat]

OK So Patrick did not see any doping in his 1 year with Postal. He didn't ride the Tour that year and it is easy to comprehend that he did not get near Lance's inner group.

We now have Thomas Dekker stating that doping was an everyday event at Rabbobank from 1996.

Patrick was with Rabbo from 1997 to 1999
Prior to that he was at Novemail with Peter Post 93 - 94
Once with Manolo Saiz for 95 - 96
and then bigMat 2001 2002.

With 20 - 20 hindsight, Patrick would need the resolve of a saint and one heck of a lot of good fortune to sail through those teams on fruit juice and apple pie.

Aussies - what has been the outcome of of the investigation into past doping practises ? Has Patrick's career been subject to scrutiny ? Were there any conclusions ? He started at Australian Institute of sport with Hieko Salzwedel, on his first job once outside the curtain.

australians dont dope.

that is the finding.


move along, nothing to see