Paul Seixas

[noob]

View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LxAbdUFKTmA&is=hoJBCmzuRzvGmOo5

It's most appropriate that the tribute to Paul 'Robespierre' Seixas is celebrated here.

uncle cycling starting using animation in his vids has made them absolutely hilarious! But the sm hexual allusions ain't fun whatsoever so if there's a thumbnail like that I don't even watch. I just find it distasteful. It's a pity bc I love the other parts.

 

[Old-school]

when he was about 15, skinny and not yet developed like some of his opponents, he amazed everyone by finishing 2nd in a flat time trial where he pushed significantely more than 6 w/kg.

 

[BubbaChuck]

he is cold blooded.he was asked,how can he push these numbers and just said,we eat better,ask more experienced riders.

 

[Cassirer]

Man, It's worse.Being French will make everything easier for him.

They mutated a rival like Vingegaard who was a domestique without results so that Pogacar would lose two tours. Perhaps they won't mutate a rival for Seixas.

He's not even going to have an evolution; at 19 , they're allowing him to do this that others have had to do with an evolution.

At least, Pogacar was in a mediocre UAE at 2019 and 2020and was human in his beginnings. At Decathlon, Kooij's replacement is beating Philipsen, a mediocre rider like Ces Bol in an incredible shape.

In 2024 Cosnefroy was winning Brabantse beating Wellens and De Lie, and even winning a time trial Look now Cosnefroy at UAE!

Decathlon has been preparing for this since 2024, the Olympic year in Paris. Like Banesto in the 90s and Sky since the London Olympics.

Felix Gall insane Tour in 2024, Cosnefroy. And there were mediocre Decathlon riders with anomalous performance like Prudhome since 2024. Cosnefroy at 2024, ridiculous:

De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne ME 2024 One day race results

De Brabantse Pijl - La Flèche Brabançonne ME 2024 was won by Benoît Cosnefroy before Dylan Teuns and Tim Wellens.

www.procyclingstats.com

Boucles de la Mayenne - Crédit Mutuel 2024 Prologue results

Boucles de la Mayenne - Crédit Mutuel 2024 Prologue from Espace Mayenne - Laval to Espace Mayenne - Laval was won by Benoît Cosnefroy before Ivo Oliveira and Samuel Watson. Benoît Cosnefroy was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Could pog fans calm down until he actually beats him? "they mutated a rival" while being a fan of gianettis golden experiment is a weird take.

As no one is going to be catched, I'm in the "bring on more mutants" camp. Removing Pog would mean you have to then remove vinge and mvdp, and then probably remco. not gonna happen, so let's have at it. 2-3 mutants to go till most races will be competitive again.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LxAbdUFKTmA&is=hoJBCmzuRzvGmOo5

It's most appropriate that the tribute to Paul 'Robespierre' Seixas is celebrated here.

Gold! Lets hope our Robespierre's reign will be peaceful and just. Oh wait...

 

[KoopaCycling]

Robespierre did not end well though, i'm thinking the powers that be will allow for a nicer ending for Seixas

 

[Tim Cahill]

I would’ve thought Louis Blanc, this being the second time and all.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Could pog fans calm down until he actually beats him? "they mutated a rival" while being a fan of gianettis golden experiment is a weird take.

As no one is going to be catched, I'm in the "bring on more mutants" camp. Removing Pog would mean you have to then remove vinge and mvdp, and then probably remco. not gonna happen, so let's have at it. 2-3 mutants to go till most races will be competitive again.

Yeah I'm at this point, for the sake of races actually being competitive.

 

[E_F_]

Thing is we already have MvdP and Vingegaard, they don't make TdF or RvV fun any longer... Who says a Pog beater wouldn't just dominate in the same way? The differences at the top are crazy.

 

[KoopaCycling]

He seems a tad arrogant. Something you may need to excel and win lots, but not having shame helps cheating as well.
That's just my first impression after watching him more closely this week. You all can have different impressions.

 

[ashhutch1997]

He seems a tad arrogant. Something you may need to excel and win lots, but not having shame helps cheating as well.
That's just my first impression after watching him more closely this week. You all can have different impressions.

He could've won every single stage if he wanted to, but hes given stages to the break which he could've won. That's something Pogacar could learn from IMO.

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

GC and thrree stages in every way possible

I wonder what Finn or Widar are thinking, especially Widar. From being quite close in the Avenir to this. Last year Seixas had some tough days to beating teenagers, and now he's far superior to the professionals.

Lipowitz was much better than him in Dauphiné; this year...

 

[Red Rick]

This was way less impressive than stage 2.

 

[Netserk]

He seems a tad arrogant. Something you may need to excel and win lots, but not having shame helps cheating as well.
That's just my first impression after watching him more closely this week. You all can have different impressions.

to me he so far just seems rightly confident

and a very mature ride today with no need to go all out

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

I wrote this response in the general thread, but these differences could be brought up here. They're arguing that he's exhausted because he didn't gain more time today. Even Pogacar didn't gain more time on Lipowitz in the Dauphiné. Granted, he didn't look as exhausted as Seixas did today, but for goodness sake, he's 19 years old, and at that age, this kind of difference in a stage race is already strange.

I think tey´re entering a state of denial to minimize the numbers shown in that Itzulia.
He is achieving differenceshat other cyclists are achieving at a more logical age and they are criticized more.

I think you're in a phase of denial because it's hard to accept that a 19-year rider who won the Avenir while by 30 seconds to Widar is now holding this advantage months later.

Look at these differences and then say what you said before. He's ahead of Lipowitz more than Pogacar was at the Dauphiné. Should he have gained time on him again today and finished the general classification with a 5-minute lead?

These differences are absurd at 19. And we're discussing that he hasn't been strong enough today to gain more time, despite having won after the efforts of previous days to get to 2:30.

1	1	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	500	250	36″	29:19:46
2	2	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	400	190	24″	0:59
3	3	-	Lipowitz Florian	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe	325	160	8″	2:38

1	1	-	Seixas Paul	Decathlon CMA CGM Team	8	20″	16:33:45
2	3	▲1	Florian Lipowitz	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe		8″	2:30
3	2	▼1	Roglič Primož	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe		4″	3:40

1	1	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	400	250	24″	25:56:36
2	2	-	Martinez Lenny	Bahrain - Victorious	320	190	13″	1:22
3	3	-	Lipowitz Florian	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe	260	160	5″	1:30

 

[Tim Cahill]

Despite the dominance I've really enjoyed the race, Romo with a really funny performance today, almost Padunesque as someone in the race thread mentioned (though he's had some decent showings before). Aranburu and Ion have really got their preparation right, even people down a bit like Arrieta and Ruiz having some good moments, and it's good to see the Tramadol Kid Baudin coming to life.

It has the feel of some of the 20 year old editions we used to have to watch way after they aired on some fuzzy limewire download, Pecharroman and Zarrabeitia among the favourites. Cycling has the feel of a sport coming to the end of it's current life-cycle at the moment, whether for good or bad, the elastic has to snap at some point, though the French understandably are going to try and milk it with their guy on top, I'll always enjoy it regardless.

 

[YellowSocks]

Despite the dominance I've really enjoyed the race, Romo with a really funny performance today, almost Padunesque as someone in the race thread mentioned (though he's had some decent showings before). Aranburu and Ion have really got their preparation right, even people down a bit like Arrieta and Ruiz having some good moments, and it's good to see the Tramadol Kid Baudin coming to life.

It has the feel of some of the 20 year old editions we used to have to watch way after they aired on some fuzzy limewire download, Pecharroman and Zarrabeitia among the favourites. Cycling has the feel of a sport coming to the end of it's current life-cycle at the moment, whether for good or bad, the elastic has to snap at some point, though the French understandably are going to try and milk it with their guy on top, I'll always enjoy it regardless.

Festina was a French team, and blond Virenque a contender for the Tour. When they want, they can.
In fact, they’d better make a move before the kid has a real chance. He’s young, he could probably still be somebody in a new life-cycle.
Otherwise... well, dozens of mutants? How much longer?

 

[Coppi-Bartali]

I was the first to say that consistent performance at a more typical age, between 25 and 30, is already hard to believe, so these differences in a GC at 19 are absurd. I'm not the one contradicting myself based on nationality, team, or personal taste in cyclists.
I've already said that for me, Remco's Junior year, and even Morgano's, seemed not normal. This kind of regular endurance in teenagers in a long-distance sport, is impossible without genetic doping.

The time differences in this Itzulia are 2:30 and 4:30, the leader is 19 years old, but yesterday he simply won by sprint againts third ofr the last Tour after pulling other 40 kilometers in a had stage, and that's necessary . So these threads are unnecessary, and the title should be "Thread for fans or haters of this cyclist." It all comes down to that.

So, what I conclude from this thread is that it depends on the team, nationality, or what each person considers boring or necessary; it's valid or not. Since Seixas is winning by 5 minutes over third rider in the GC, next year they should bring in an 18-year who wins by 6 minutes to give him competition, or maybe they must mutant anther domestique like Froome or Vingegaard . But apparently, if they're teenagers, we accept any nonsense more easily. But nothing can be said about that 18-year future rider because Seixas exists and because anyone who says anything will be a fan of Seixas.

Just this week, a 13-year-old was sanctioned in athletics for doping. 13 years! Skjelmose positive test at 18.
It's evident where we're headed with teenage athletes. Even when they're minors.

My contribution concludes. There's nothing more to say, if this kid continues on this crazy trajectory, he'll win the Dauphiné by 4 minutes over second place and 8 over third, and the criticism will be directed at those of us who have an opinion.

 

[Red Rick]

I wrote this response in the general thread, but these differences could be brought up here. They're arguing that he's exhausted because he didn't gain more time today.

No it's a response to people comparing him to Pogacar and Vingegaard for 2026 already. This is heavily down to W/kg calculations from Ardeche and stage 2.

Him not gaining time doesn't need to be exhaustion, it can also easily be that his victory on stage 2 was more tactical that nobody wanted to push over the limit to follow that early on the climb already, and then they all got stuck on G2 syndrome.

It could also be that Lipowitz in particular was simply dealing with heavy legs from Catalunya on the first 2 days and is feeling better now.

Nobody denies his prospects for 2027 and beyond are off the charts.

 

[Rob5091]

Just this week, a 13-year-old was sanctioned in athletics for doping. Skjelmose positive test at 18. It's becoming increasingly clear, like Lamile Yamal at 16-17 played in extra times like a an adult.

Old news! Kiddies taking stuff they should n't aint new, unfortunately,
https://swimswam.com/13-year-old-brazilian-swimmer-suspended-4-months-doping/
Jan 2014, "A 13-year-old Brazilian swimmer was suspended 4 months today after failing a drug test at a meet last November".
Apparently WADA rules allow testing for 8 year olds and upwards.

 

[KoopaCycling]

His body does not look much different from a year ago, but he rides so much better. Just unreal.

 

[Rob5091]

Are we heading back to the skinny tall Froome/Dumoulin type rider?

 

[Old-school]

I was the first to say that consistent performance at a more typical age, between 25 and 30, is already hard to believe, so these differences in a GC at 19 are absurd. I'm not the one contradicting myself based on nationality, team, or personal taste in cyclists.
I've already said that for me, Remco's Junior year, and even Morgano's, seemed not normal. This kind of regular endurance in teenagers in a long-distance sport, is impossible without genetic doping.

The time differences in this Itzulia are 2:30 and 4:30, the leader is 19 years old, but yesterday he simply won by sprint againts third ofr the last Tour after pulling other 40 kilometers in a had stage, and that's necessary . So these threads are unnecessary, and the title should be "Thread for fans or haters of this cyclist." It all comes down to that.

So, what I conclude from this thread is that it depends on the team, nationality, or what each person considers boring or necessary; it's valid or not. Since Seixas is winning by 5 minutes over third rider in the GC, next year they should bring in an 18-year who wins by 6 minutes to give him competition, or maybe they must mutant anther domestique like Froome or Vingegaard . But apparently, if they're teenagers, we accept any nonsense more easily. But nothing can be said about that 18-year future rider because Seixas exists and because anyone who says anything will be a fan of Seixas.

Just this week, a 13-year-old was sanctioned in athletics for doping. 13 years! Skjelmose positive test at 18.
It's evident where we're headed with teenage athletes. Even when they're minors.

My contribution concludes. There's nothing more to say, if this kid continues on this crazy trajectory, he'll win the Dauphiné by 4 minutes over second place and 8 over third, and the criticism will be directed at those of us who have an opinion.

You should update a bit your "software". Kids of 19 years old, who are 100% focused on cycling competitions since they are 10, have at least the level of young people of 23 in the past. They benefit from insane scientific training. Bernard Hinault at 25 years old was an amator in training compare to them.

 

[AmRacer]

I'm too Seixas for my bike, too Seixas for my bike
Bike's going to leave me

I'm too Seixas for my helmet, too Seixas for my helmet
So Seixas it hurts
And I'm too Seixas for Itzulia, too Seixas for Itzulia

 

[proffate]

You should update a bit your "software". Kids of 19 years old, who are 100% focused on cycling competitions since they are 10, have at least the level of young people of 23 in the past. They benefit from insane scientific training. Bernard Hinault at 25 years old was an amator in training compare to them.

I don't think we have credible science to back the claim that starting at the age of 10 would make a difference (except to descending skills!). But I agree that they start effective training at a younger age. Amateurs have easy access to good training plans that even pros didn't have 40 years ago. So there were years of trial and error in decades past.